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has anyone read this article?
we all need a Paul Tammert in our life 😭
this man is a hero which helped people end their misery and gets treated like a criminal 😡
i hope he has a good defense team and will not be convicted 🙏
 
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We have to be careful allowing people to commercialise or support CTB.

I'm principle it sounds great but the reality is the rich and powerful would soon use it too kill of loads of people. Governments and society don't care about suicides and already make it too easy for people to kill themselves.

If they made it even easier, it would be a massacre of the poor and disabled.
 
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It's so evil how humans wish to do all they can to prolong the suffering of others, this world where the right to die is viewed as a crime truly is such a hellish place. Sadly the society needs slaves which is why there is an obsession with trying to force others to suffer, it's disgusting how access to a peaceful way to cease existing isn't a human right.
 
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We have to be careful allowing people to commercialise or support CTB.

I'm principle it sounds great but the reality is the rich and powerful would soon use it too kill of loads of people. Governments and society don't care about suicides and already make it too easy for people to kill themselves.

If they made it even easier, it would be a massacre of the poor and disabled.
i see it very different. the system would collapse and chaos would erupt if people had easy access to a fast peacefull death. imagine all the lawsuits of angry parents/relatives and the many orphaned kids.
who would the rich & powerful use as their worker slaves & servants?
who would consume the goods they brainwash us we need and get rich off?
and you have to tell me where in the world people have it easy to kill themselves?
because i want to move there!
i live in a country where people travel to get VAD and they rejected me at every organization. we have some of the strictest customs in the world and we dont have any access to guns or fentanyl.
they took away my SN and searched our apartment at a family members birthday without a search warrant and i was unable to do anything.
show me where its easy please!!
It's so evil how humans wish to do all they can to prolong the suffering of others, this world where the right to die is viewed as a crime truly is such a hellish place. Sadly the society needs slaves which is why there is an obsession with trying to force others to suffer, it's disgusting how access to a peaceful way to cease existing isn't a human right.
i agree 100%
one big key factor is that people are afraid of death and they are suppressing the reality of their own mortality.
its not about us its about them not wanting to feel uneasy & we force them to face their biggest fear they know is inevitable and they cant escape from.
 
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has anyone read this article?
we all need a Paul Tammert in our life 😭
this man is a hero which helped people end their misery and gets treated like a criminal 😡
i hope he has a good defense team and will not be convicted 🙏
He will be convicted no doubt.
unless you've got thousands in the bank and a serious medical condition then your only hope is support on here. I'd love nothing more than to fly out to Switzerland and go peacefully when the time is right. Ain't gonna happen. I live in the UK but moved to a place still in Great Britain that is fighting for the right to die in dignity.
 
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One part of me is happy that someone has done it.
Another part is annoyed because now I want to fly him out, have him make the device for me, then fly back out, which goes back to money. LOL.

Agree with @UKscotty ; while it is commendable that a service is available, it should be a path that is tread very carefully. It's not just because it can be used to cover up the truth about the demise of people. My take is that we might inadvertently assist people who would have been able to change their circumstance/view in the future but could no longer do so.
 
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The apparatus was a soft-mesh HBOT tube/chamber but connected to a nitrogen tank. You can rent these in the United States for $1,000 a month. But instead of oxygen use nitrogen. The tube inflates into a cylinder and continues pressurizing until 1.3 to 2.4 atms. Your ears might pop, it feels like being on an airplane. You would be the long dead by then, because after the initial nitrogen purge the gas density and pressure would be textbook case of a nitrogenized environment resulting in death within a breath or two without any pain or suffocation.

I am working on one myself, with a heat exchanger for temperature and a recirculation system with CO2 and O2 scrubbers. Actually just dumping 10 L of liquid nitrogen in a Jeep vehicle cabin resulted in a temperature drop of 20° C and rapidly displaced the oxygen atmosphere bottom to top due to the cold nature of liquid nitrogen and basic physics on thermodynamics where the base layer was at 3% oxygen concentration within 5 minutes and remained at that concentration for the next 20 until it purged out an exhausted completely over the course of many hours. Deciding between the two I think I'm going to go with the Jeep, at 4.5% oxygen you'll pass out within a breath or two, coma within 3 minutes and death within 10 at most. The cocoon style sleeping bag will also prevent any contact with the cryogen and act as a warm cozy barrier for a peaceful death. I'm an engineer so I tinker with shit and figured I am going to build my own death chamber although for the record it is not for sale to the public and I do not offer any services because in the US it would be a federal and state Grand murder spree laundry list of charges I'd be looking at should it ever be reduced to practice like this guy in Estonia. At least in Estonia he's politically connected and is a good chance he'll get away, and America where the greatest proportion of citizens are incarcerated and they'll lives and records are destroyed and absolutely nothing, this wouldn't work. But it calls into question - what other jurisdictions or Islands out in the middle of nowhere do not have any laws that would prevent someone from operating a non-profit end of life facility with this effective, lethal and most importantly painless and most peaceful end of life clinic? Nitrogen has long been officially endorsed by not only exit International but any death with dignity euthanasia advocate, scientists and common sense person in that it does not activate the body's hypercapnic alarm system, where the body believes it's still breathing in regular air despite the absence of anything but 99% nitrogen gas and feels no sense of suffocation or panic whatsoever as they pass out within a breath or two if 99.99% N2 atmosphere. If not pure 99%, you fade out slowly in an oxygen deficient but not instantly lethal atmosphere which would be below 8% O2 or greater than 92% N2 in a confined space experiencing a dissociative euphoric or altered mental state from a few minutes to is long as an hour until eventually the brain shuts down and fades into hypoxic comatose state, followed by apoptosis which is the point of programmed cell death that results in death. NO2 or laughing gas as it's called would probably be even more peaceful.

I mean there has to be some jurisdiction or country out there beyond the already known Switzerland and European countries that permit euthanasia in cases of significant and substantial suffering, I suppose a non-government organization could exist somewhere in the world that would be a safe harbor and refuge for those millions in pain unspeakable and unbearable demonstrating a torturous existence persisting permanently with no conceivable redress due to the unresolvable nature of various torturous harms, it would be inhumane, cruel and evil, sick wicked and of callous indifference to the suicidal be against suicide, out of a savior complex or belief that suicide is always wrong and one must suffer laying claim against another's life; a manifestation of a twisted ego, lack of wisdom or deficiency in understanding. Common sense is not so common.

Somewhere in the world this common sense must exist, where people are truly free as owners of their own body, lives and fate, free to choosing to live or to die on their own terms without restraint or interference from oppressive restrictive authorities that rape their freedom to choose and demand and compel such persons to live to suffer and carry an unbearable cross as they watch conveniently, thereby infringing upon the right to bodily autonomy in the choice to be or not, in the pursuit of Liberty and freedom.

I hope Estonia will not crucify this man for relieving and rescuing others from their own torturous and treacherous sufferings that they had to bear and were relieved of by death in peace, in accord with their decision made of sound mind and with steadfast intent without reservation or indecision.
 
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i see it very different. the system would collapse and chaos would erupt if people had easy access to a fast peacefull death. imagine all the lawsuits of angry parents/relatives and the many orphaned kids.
who would the rich & powerful use as their worker slaves & servants?
who would consume the goods they brainwash us we need and get rich off?
and you have to tell me where in the world people have it easy to kill themselves?
because i want to move there!
i live in a country where people travel to get VAD and they rejected me at every organization. we have some of the strictest customs in the world and we dont have any access to guns or fentanyl.
they took away my SN and searched our apartment at a family members birthday without a search warrant and i was unable to do anything.
show me where its easy please!!

i agree 100%
one big key factor is that people are afraid of death and they are suppressing the reality of their own mortality.
its not about us its about them not wanting to feel uneasy & we force them to face their biggest fear they know is inevitable and they cant escape from.
Normal people who slave away as part of the system dint CTB though so they wouldn't use it. The people who would use it would be the sick or poor people not working. The exact people capitalists want dead.

As for being easy, I mean in practical terms, can easily jump, hang, find chemicals etc. Suicide is not easy anywhere, assisted or not due to the SI. People assume a suicide booth suddenly makes CTB easier, it wouldn't. We all intuitively know we can CTB with 99% reliability right now, literally with a cord and some padding, but we don't because of our SI.
 
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i see it very different. the system would collapse and chaos would erupt if people had easy access to a fast peacefull death. imagine all the lawsuits of angry parents/relatives and the many orphaned kids.
who would the rich & powerful use as their worker slaves & servants?
who would consume the goods they brainwash us we need and get rich off?
and you have to tell me where in the world people have it easy to kill themselves?
because i want to move there!
i live in a country where people travel to get VAD and they rejected me at every organization. we have some of the strictest customs in the world and we dont have any access to guns or fentanyl.
they took away my SN and searched our apartment at a family members birthday without a search warrant and i was unable to do anything.
show me where its easy please!!

i agree 100%
one big key factor is that people are afraid of death and they are suppressing the reality of their own mortality.
its not about us its about them not wanting to feel uneasy & we force them to face their biggest fear they know is inevitable and they cant escape from.
Do you live in Switzerland? Why did they reject you (if I may ask).
 
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Normal people who slave away as part of the system dint CTB though so they wouldn't use it. The people who would use it would be the sick or poor people not working. The exact people capitalists want dead.

As for being easy, I mean in practical terms, can easily jump, hang, find chemicals etc. Suicide is not easy anywhere, assisted or not due to the SI. People assume a suicide booth suddenly makes CTB easier, it wouldn't. We all intuitively know we can CTB with 99% reliability right now, literally with a cord and some padding, but we don't because of our SI.
i understand what you mean and i agree to some point. but you would be suprised how many ,normies' are low key suicidal and would take the chance to get out of here. i saw a post on instagram of a woman in her twenties diagnosed with ovarian cancer and she decided against any treatment because life just isnt for her. the amount of people commenting that they would make the same decision & and wish to die was shocking and eye opening for me. this was not on some suicidal page this was on a page of a dude interviewing his uber clients and ,normies' commenting. i think he even had to deactivate the comments at some point because he considered them too ,harmful' …
Do you live in Switzerland? Why did they reject you (if I may ask).
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One part of me is happy that someone has done it.
Another part is annoyed because now I want to fly him out, have him make the device for me, then fly back out, which goes back to money. LOL.

Agree with @UKscotty ; while it is commendable that a service is available, it should be a path that is tread very carefully. It's not just because it can be used to cover up the truth about the demise of people. My take is that we might inadvertently assist people who would have been able to change their circumstance/view in the future but could no longer do so.
i would totally do the same😄 im at a point where i would pay any amount to get this ,service' …
but how would one know if someone would be able to turn around their life & would maybe regret it? we often times see value in other peoples lifes which struggle with problems similiar to ours and hope they figure a way out and will be able to turn their life around and live a happy life while we are absolutely hopeless for our own lifes. if one would work with this selection criteria there would be not much difference to how VAD organizations discriminate against people. at the end the only people getting the service would be the ones with terminal illnesses where all hope is lost and maybe only maybe with documented mental health struggles for decades.
He will be convicted no doubt.
unless you've got thousands in the bank and a serious medical condition then your only hope is support on here. I'd love nothing more than to fly out to Switzerland and go peacefully when the time is right. Ain't gonna happen. I live in the UK but moved to a place still in Great Britain that is fighting for the right to die in dignity.
i wish someone from Estonia would chime in and give us the tea on what local media outlets write about this case.
im so sorry :( i still have hope that the laws will change in the future but it will take some time and most people cant wait this long.
ahh i hate this world😭
 
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The apparatus was a soft-mesh HBOT tube/chamber but connected to a nitrogen tank. You can rent these in the United States for $1,000 a month. But instead of oxygen use nitrogen. The tube inflates into a cylinder and continues pressurizing until 1.3 to 2.4 atms. Your ears might pop, it feels like being on an airplane. You would be the long dead by then, because after the initial nitrogen purge the gas density and pressure would be textbook case of a nitrogenized environment resulting in death within a breath or two without any pain or suffocation.

I am working on one myself, with a heat exchanger for temperature and a recirculation system with CO2 and O2 scrubbers. Actually just dumping 10 L of liquid nitrogen in a Jeep vehicle cabin resulted in a temperature drop of 20° C and rapidly displaced the oxygen atmosphere bottom to top due to the cold nature of liquid nitrogen and basic physics on thermodynamics where the base layer was at 3% oxygen concentration within 5 minutes and remained at that concentration for the next 20 until it purged out an exhausted completely over the course of many hours. Deciding between the two I think I'm going to go with the Jeep, at 4.5% oxygen you'll pass out within a breath or two, coma within 3 minutes and death within 10 at most. The cocoon style sleeping bag will also prevent any contact with the cryogen and act as a warm cozy barrier for a peaceful death. I'm an engineer so I tinker with shit and figured I am going to build my own death chamber although for the record it is not for sale to the public and I do not offer any services because in the US it would be a federal and state Grand murder spree laundry list of charges I'd be looking at should it ever be reduced to practice like this guy in Estonia. At least in Estonia he's politically connected and is a good chance he'll get away, and America where the greatest proportion of citizens are incarcerated and they'll lives and records are destroyed and absolutely nothing, this wouldn't work. But it calls into question - what other jurisdictions or Islands out in the middle of nowhere do not have any laws that would prevent someone from operating a non-profit end of life facility with this effective, lethal and most importantly painless and most peaceful end of life clinic? Nitrogen has long been officially endorsed by not only exit International but any death with dignity euthanasia advocate, scientists and common sense person in that it does not activate the body's hypercapnic alarm system, where the body believes it's still breathing in regular air despite the absence of anything but 99% nitrogen gas and feels no sense of suffocation or panic whatsoever as they pass out within a breath or two if 99.99% N2 atmosphere. If not pure 99%, you fade out slowly in an oxygen deficient but not instantly lethal atmosphere which would be below 8% O2 or greater than 92% N2 in a confined space experiencing a dissociative euphoric or altered mental state from a few minutes to is long as an hour until eventually the brain shuts down and fades into hypoxic comatose state, followed by apoptosis which is the point of programmed cell death that results in death. NO2 or laughing gas as it's called would probably be even more peaceful.

I mean there has to be some jurisdiction or country out there beyond the already known Switzerland and European countries that permit euthanasia in cases of significant and substantial suffering, I suppose a non-government organization could exist somewhere in the world that would be a safe harbor and refuge for those millions in pain unspeakable and unbearable demonstrating a torturous existence persisting permanently with no conceivable redress due to the unresolvable nature of various torturous harms, it would be inhumane, cruel and evil, sick wicked and of callous indifference to the suicidal be against suicide, out of a savior complex or belief that suicide is always wrong and one must suffer laying claim against another's life; a manifestation of a twisted ego, lack of wisdom or deficiency in understanding. Common sense is not so common.

Somewhere in the world this common sense must exist, where people are truly free as owners of their own body, lives and fate, free to choosing to live or to die on their own terms without restraint or interference from oppressive restrictive authorities that rape their freedom to choose and demand and compel such persons to live to suffer and carry an unbearable cross as they watch conveniently, thereby infringing upon the right to bodily autonomy in the choice to be or not, in the pursuit of Liberty and freedom.

I hope Estonia will not crucify this man for relieving and rescuing others from their own torturous and treacherous sufferings that they had to bear and were relieved of by death in peace, in accord with their decision made of sound mind and with steadfast intent without reservation or indecision.
Can I crawl in your jeep with you? A little conversation, music, one last laugh. I wanted to find a partner. I didn't want to have to do alone. Seriously that sounds amazing. I have absolutely no reservations.
 
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Can I crawl in your jeep with you? A little conversation, music, one last laugh. I wanted to find a partner. I didn't want to have to do alone. Seriously that sounds amazing. I have absolutely no reservations.
Seriously - i think it would be good to have someone else, or even a few of us. To feel peace at last.
 
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Seriously - i think it would be good to have someone else, or even a few of us. To feel peace at last.
I do too. I think it would be peaceful and even fun, like one last party. I don't see it as sad at all. Consensual, like minded people who become friends at the tail end of "life" and go out with talk and music and laughs. I see that as bliss.
 
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The apparatus was a soft-mesh HBOT tube/chamber but connected to a nitrogen tank. You can rent these in the United States for $1,000 a month. But instead of oxygen use nitrogen. The tube inflates into a cylinder and continues pressurizing until 1.3 to 2.4 atms. Your ears might pop, it feels like being on an airplane. You would be the long dead by then, because after the initial nitrogen purge the gas density and pressure would be textbook case of a nitrogenized environment resulting in death within a breath or two without any pain or suffocation.

I am working on one myself, with a heat exchanger for temperature and a recirculation system with CO2 and O2 scrubbers. Actually just dumping 10 L of liquid nitrogen in a Jeep vehicle cabin resulted in a temperature drop of 20° C and rapidly displaced the oxygen atmosphere bottom to top due to the cold nature of liquid nitrogen and basic physics on thermodynamics where the base layer was at 3% oxygen concentration within 5 minutes and remained at that concentration for the next 20 until it purged out an exhausted completely over the course of many hours. Deciding between the two I think I'm going to go with the Jeep, at 4.5% oxygen you'll pass out within a breath or two, coma within 3 minutes and death within 10 at most. The cocoon style sleeping bag will also prevent any contact with the cryogen and act as a warm cozy barrier for a peaceful death. I'm an engineer so I tinker with shit and figured I am going to build my own death chamber although for the record it is not for sale to the public and I do not offer any services because in the US it would be a federal and state Grand murder spree laundry list of charges I'd be looking at should it ever be reduced to practice like this guy in Estonia. At least in Estonia he's politically connected and is a good chance he'll get away, and America where the greatest proportion of citizens are incarcerated and they'll lives and records are destroyed and absolutely nothing, this wouldn't work. But it calls into question - what other jurisdictions or Islands out in the middle of nowhere do not have any laws that would prevent someone from operating a non-profit end of life facility with this effective, lethal and most importantly painless and most peaceful end of life clinic? Nitrogen has long been officially endorsed by not only exit International but any death with dignity euthanasia advocate, scientists and common sense person in that it does not activate the body's hypercapnic alarm system, where the body believes it's still breathing in regular air despite the absence of anything but 99% nitrogen gas and feels no sense of suffocation or panic whatsoever as they pass out within a breath or two if 99.99% N2 atmosphere. If not pure 99%, you fade out slowly in an oxygen deficient but not instantly lethal atmosphere which would be below 8% O2 or greater than 92% N2 in a confined space experiencing a dissociative euphoric or altered mental state from a few minutes to is long as an hour until eventually the brain shuts down and fades into hypoxic comatose state, followed by apoptosis which is the point of programmed cell death that results in death. NO2 or laughing gas as it's called would probably be even more peaceful.

I mean there has to be some jurisdiction or country out there beyond the already known Switzerland and European countries that permit euthanasia in cases of significant and substantial suffering, I suppose a non-government organization could exist somewhere in the world that would be a safe harbor and refuge for those millions in pain unspeakable and unbearable demonstrating a torturous existence persisting permanently with no conceivable redress due to the unresolvable nature of various torturous harms, it would be inhumane, cruel and evil, sick wicked and of callous indifference to the suicidal be against suicide, out of a savior complex or belief that suicide is always wrong and one must suffer laying claim against another's life; a manifestation of a twisted ego, lack of wisdom or deficiency in understanding. Common sense is not so common.

Somewhere in the world this common sense must exist, where people are truly free as owners of their own body, lives and fate, free to choosing to live or to die on their own terms without restraint or interference from oppressive restrictive authorities that rape their freedom to choose and demand and compel such persons to live to suffer and carry an unbearable cross as they watch conveniently, thereby infringing upon the right to bodily autonomy in the choice to be or not, in the pursuit of Liberty and freedom.

I hope Estonia will not crucify this man for relieving and rescuing others from their own torturous and treacherous sufferings that they had to bear and were relieved of by death in peace, in accord with their decision made of sound mind and with steadfast intent without reservation or indecision.
very interesting information thank you for sharing🙏
i didnt realise it was a HBOT chamber he used - you really can rent one in the U.S for only 1000$ a month? one session of HBOT is a few hundert dollars here alone..
are you able to buy the nitrogen easily?
Philip Nitschke from Exit international has created his sarco pod and wanted to work together with a swiss VAD association which backed out last minute after there was a shitstorm about this method - apparetly it is inhumane ro die in a ,plastic pod' alone 🤣 …and some doctors were of the opinion that theres no guarantee that nitrogen will produce a peacefull euphoric death even though they are accounts that prove its peacefulness.
the VAD organizations told Nitschke they first want to see it successfully used in another country before thinking about it again…
 
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very interesting information thank you for sharing🙏
i didnt realise it was a HBOT chamber he used - you really can rent one in the U.S for only 1000$ a month? one session of HBOT is a few hundert dollars here alone..
are you able to buy the nitrogen easily?
Philip Nitschke from Exit international has created his sarco pod and wanted to work together with a swiss VAD association which backed out last minute after there was a shitstorm about this method - apparetly it is inhumane ro die in a ,plastic pod' alone 🤣 …and some doctors were of the opinion that theres no guarantee that nitrogen will produce a peacefull euphoric death even though they are accounts that prove its peacefulness.
the VAD organizations told Nitschke they first want to see it successfully used in another country before thinking about it again…
You're absolutely correct; the prevailing wisdom is inert gas asphyxiation is the most pain-free and peaceful. Industrial accidents have occurred where there's a N2 leak and a worker is seen passing out on CCTV, someone goes in to rescue and becomes overcome, and a second casualty, then a second casualty becomes a third, and you have bodies piling up. These reports and accounts are well documented by the US Chemical Safety Board publishes videos of reenactments of these accidents along with detailed reports. They're interesting to watch. The most recent was CSB Releases Final Report into 2021 Fatal Liquid Nitrogen Release at Foundation Food Group Facility in Georgia Resulted in Death of Six Workers

As far as procurement on obtaining LN2, it depends on country. In the UK it's possible but too many hoops. In the US it's a joke, you just need a $150 10 Liter Dewar and they'll fill you up at you local welding shop or ice cream supply distributor, or local university for $1/Liter - cheaper than bottled water! Now some of you may be fearing that walking in to a shop you'll be interrogated and or feel uneasy walking in with a tank asking around for liquid nitrogen prices. But in America You're a paying customer, they're a business. Ain't nobody got time fo dat shit. Just watch this video, they even filled his defective uncapped dewar (big no-no) in a vehicle cabin with children unvented (Epic no no) all while having a jolly time, 20 Liters is 60 cubic meters or enough to displace double the cabin's volume. If the Dewar spilled en route, it would plume a mass purge of pure N2 as it flushed the composite atmosphere and the whole family would have died in an instant. Reckless. But just to show you how easy it's to get and cheap :



What are the effects on the human body if someone breathes pure nitrogen? How long would it take until damage occurs?

This question has come up several times, but I will repeat my experience with nitrogen.

As a safety engineer, I was involved in an incident where nitrogen, N2, had back flowed into a breathing air line. The young man and woman went down, but were observed on CCTV by other workers and pulled to safety. They described their experience as amazing since they had been working in a very quiet, brightly lit green painted room. They said it was like changing the channels on a TV when in the next second, they were on their backs on a cold night looking up at the stars with people standing all around shouting and a fire engine coming up the road with its siren screaming.

It seems that the human body does not detect the level of oxygen in the blood, but the level of carbon dioxide, CO2. If there is an inert gas in the lungs, it will carry off the CO2, just like normal air, which will keep the body's CO2 detector saying all is well, but NOT supplying the oxygen needed for life. As a result, the O2 level in the blood will drop to the point a person becomes unconscious before they realize they are in trouble.

This phenomenon has been demonstrated on several fatal occasions with "shallow water drowning." This occurs when someone hyperventilates before diving in the water. The hyperventilation removes all the CO2 from the blood. As the swimmer moves along, the oxygen level in their blood falls but faster than the CO2 level rises. Finally, the oxygen level falls to the point that the brain becomes unconscious before the CO2 rises to the level of triggering the breathing reflex. When the breathing reflex is finally triggered, the brain being out of commission, the person inhales water and drowns. They never know what happened before they are dead.

Those two people reported no problems or discomfort at all. One second they were working, the next second they were outside on their backs wondering what the Hell was going on. Because they were rescued so quickly they had absolutely no ill effects and returned to work with an alternative breathing air supply.

Sadly, a similar incident occurred in 1981 when 5 technicians entered an Orbiter with the wrong type of respirator. They were wearing negative pressure respirators and entered an area purged with nitrogen. There were two fatalities and the other 3 survived.

So, to answer your question, you would just pass out and never even be aware that there was a problem. Then you would be dead.

- From Quora https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-...t-are-the-potential-effects-on-the-human-body
 
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Stuff like this makes me worry inert gases will also become illegal to purchase for people who aren't business owners or scientists. I'm making sure to get mine as soon as possible.
 
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I had no idea you could buy or rent hyperbaric chambers. So instead of an oxygen generator, you attach the hardware (hoses and couplers I'm assuming) to nitrogen tank(s) and take a nap in a plastic tube? With just a quick browse on google I found inflatable units for $7k - $10k (assuming usd) so I wonder if there's a rental service locally.
 
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Can I crawl in your jeep with you? A little conversation, music, one last laugh. I wanted to find a partner. I didn't want to have to do alone. Seriously that sounds amazing. I have absolutely no reservations.

Seriously - i think it would be good to have someone else, or even a few of us. To feel peace at last.

Possibly. I've never thought of partnering before. Would have to research legal and criminal exposure issues and find a state with the least restrictive to absence of suicide assistance laws. Maybe it could be structured as a scientific experiment not a pact, with each one signing a waiver, understanding of the risks of death, that none was unduly influenced or materially assisted in causation (causation is a term in law, applied here - the act of causing the death of another) ... provided it's not a suicide pact and voluntary campout high-adrenaline high-risk sportslike science experiment / activity with no enticement and the provision of material support is perfectly equal (so no one person can be technically culpable if material support was divided equally) then it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

In other words, if A rents an SUV B buys some beer and cocoon Arctic sleeping bags (to insulate from cold) for a campout and C buys liquid nitrogen for making ice cream and accidentally spills it while all occupants are in the vehicle, and all are aware of the risks of imminent death but none vacates, then the equal provision of contributory elements make all culpable of conspiracy to commit suicide but since it's not a crime and intent to harm one or other can't be established the case law and legal premises would be moot. The only possible way one could be charged is if the anticipatorily planned to bail leaving the other two to die for some benefit or in a sudden change of heart without attempting rescue. From another perspective, is playing Russian roulette with a group of peers all licensed to carry a revolver firearm a crime? As long as no one actor benefited from the outcome and all died or misfired and survived but had no interest (benefit) to gain from the outcome, then it would be rather difficult to prosecute anyone involved anticipatorily for conspiracy to engage in a mutually equally substantially high-risk game with informed consent signed by each member as mutual participants, and no member was ever at any time prior during the prime organizer, a moderator, or assumed a leading role with intent to influence, entice or encourage harm then it would not be considered a pact, since a pact in all prevailing case law involved a prime first mover who substantially influenced by means of enticement or provision of material support to a group as the prime benefactor, and participants were required to perform whereas in this alternate - participants are free to withdraw at any time for any reason without consequence (also subject to the non-beneficiary exclusion, if you benefit or gain something by withdrawing then culpability exists, but bailing out of fear or change of heart with any conceivable gain from the outcome rescinded an affirmative defense. There was something to gain by bailing, but personally forfeited, surrendered, or auto-restituted, such as property or valuables).

The legal parallel test arises now: if Russian Roulete is not illegal to play outright and no participant can be charged absent posession of criminal intent (e.g. provided entry to the game with informed consent, all participants are free to terminate their participation and forefeit/walk away and discharge their participation at any time without consequence, in the absence of any prior or active undue influence or coercion between participants, and in accord with fair dealing of the rules (e.g. fair-coin assumption), and suicide is not a crime, then the question and onus of criminal culpability shifts to the last surviving participant.

The last surviving participant must not benefit from the outcome, and if s/he continues playing Russian Roulette solo until the fatal spin ... I cannot find any precedent for such an scenario to be categorically a pact within law as there is/was no prime actor, no surviving benefactor and no duress, coersion, or ex parte causation (another causing the shot no by your own hand). The onus therefore, if such a tragic game were to reach it's last man/gal standing, the onus would be on him/her to either: (1) withdraw/terminate and immediately call 911 under common law duty to mitigate and demonstrate to the extent possible that a change of heart in withdrawing from a hazardous activity as a participant who was not a beneficiary from the outcome, not its orchestrator or orgiginal inventor and played no leading role as a prime actor could raise an immunity defense for lack of intent to cause harm and to have mitigated the collateral harms when the participant suddently becaume unwilling to participate (weak case) or (2) continue with the rounds until their own death (no case).

Take a scenario where say three buddies Adam, Ben and Clark decided to get drunk and play Russian Roulette until all members of the trio engaged in the game until each of their lives succumbed to injury or death with no benefit from the deaths of the other(s) of any member surviving. the sole survivor would either have to keep spinning the revolver and play against him/her self until death or abort by rendering aid to the injured, the latter would still result in exposure to culpability. But prosecuting such a case would be uncharted territory with no known precedent.

I'm not an attorney, but from law classes, I think collective immunity could be achieved provided there is no enticement, undue influence, or survivor in a fair-game of high-stakes high-risk science experiment of nitrogen roulette. Also can't be charged with conspiracy if the conspiring party was not in possession of criminal intent to harm, but mutual assent in obtaining informed consent from all participants on the risks of participation, and with a waiver to freely withdraw or abandon their participation or role at any time for any reason without consequence in a highly experimental scientific or other high-stakes risky sports or fool's errand activity or experiment who would be subject to the same risks and outcomes in equal proportion with the rest and hence could not benefit from the outcome.

An area of law I have to explore so as to make it legally moot, demonstrate none acted in bad faith, and establish informed consent agreements with clear and plain English explanations of risks of engagement in scientific activity would establish the accord and satisfaction of all parties making foul play unchallenged with mutual immunity all from any risk of prosecution in the event of survivability, in the 0.01% chance it arises. I'll have to research this.

PM me for further discussion.
 
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Possibly. I've never thought of partnering before. Would have to research legal and criminal exposure issues and find a state with the least restrictive to absence of suicide assistance laws. Maybe it could be structured as a scientific experiment not a pact, with each one signing a waiver, understanding of the risks of death, that none was unduly influenced or materially assisted in causation (causation is a term in law, applied here - the act of causing the death of another) ... provided it's not a suicide pact and voluntary campout high-adrenaline high-risk sportslike science experiment / activity with no enticement and the provision of material support is perfectly equal (so no one person can be technically culpable if material support was divided equally) then it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

In other words, if A rents an SUV B buys some beer and cocoon Arctic sleeping bags (to insulate from cold) for a campout and C buys liquid nitrogen for making ice cream and accidentally spills it while all occupants are in the vehicle, and all are aware of the risks of imminent death but none vacates, then the equal provision of contributory elements make all culpable of conspiracy to commit suicide but since it's not a crime and intent to harm one or other can't be established the case law and legal premises would be moot. The only possible way one could be charged is if the anticipatorily planned to bail leaving the other two to die for some benefit or in a sudden change of heart without attempting rescue. From another perspective, is playing Russian roulette with a group of peers all licensed to carry a revolver firearm a crime? As long as no one actor benefited from the outcome and all died or misfired and survived but had no interest (benefit) to gain from the outcome, then it would be rather difficult to prosecute anyone involved anticipatorily for conspiracy to engage in a mutually equally substantially high-risk game with informed consent signed by each member and no member was a moderator in the sense of surviving, the sole survivor would either have to keep spinning the revolver and play against himself until death or abort by rendering aid to the injured. I'm not an attorney, but from law classes I think collective immunity could be achieved provided there was no enticement, undue influence or survivor in a fair-game of high-stakes high-risk science experiment of nitrogen roulette. Also can't be charged with conspiracy if the conspiring party was not in possession of criminal intent to harm, but mutual assent to engage in a high risk activity or experiment who would be subject to the same risks and outcomes in equal proportion with the rest and hence could not benefit from the outcome. An area of law I have to explore so as to make it legally moot, demonstrate none acted in bad faith, informed consent agreements with a clear and plain english explanations of risks of engagement in scientific activity would establish the accord and satisfaction of all parties making foul play unchallenged with mutual immunity all from any risk of prosecution in the event of survivability, in the 0.01% chance it arises. I'll have to research this.

PM me for further discussion.
I'll PM later probably this evening. I think your idea is brilliant. Absolutely.
 
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Possibly. I've never thought of partnering before. Would have to research legal and criminal exposure issues and find a state with the least restrictive to absence of suicide assistance laws. Maybe it could be structured as a scientific experiment not a pact, with each one signing a waiver, understanding of the risks of death, that none was unduly influenced or materially assisted in causation (causation is a term in law, applied here - the act of causing the death of another) ... provided it's not a suicide pact and voluntary campout high-adrenaline high-risk sportslike science experiment / activity with no enticement and the provision of material support is perfectly equal (so no one person can be technically culpable if material support was divided equally) then it's not outside of the realm of possibility. (rest of quote trimmed for space)
I appreciate how much you've spent time on this response, and how much care people are doing thinking through and sharing what they know about the science and methods. I'm really new here and am catching up on the posts, but I feel a lot more hope than I have in years - decades? - probably because it's been so reassuring to not be alone with the thoughts of the end, and to know that people are thinking very clearly. It's such a weird feeling personally, to have these dual tracks in my life: the part going to get groceries and live life, while also at night researching more on this forum and being sure of this as my choice.

I really like what iusedtobehappy wrote, the "like minded people who become friends at the tail end of "life" and go out with talk and music and laughs. I see that as bliss". I really hope some of us are able to figure out a way to make that happen. I would travel to wherever I needed to go. It feels like the community I have longed for since - forever. We would be able to know we have made the right choice, laugh because we have each other, and feel the comfort from ending this on our terms. In our ending we become truly human operating on agency, clarity, truth and solace and freedom from pain. It has been a lot of pain in my life, but ending it on my terms, and with a beautiful sense of resolution is what will free me.
 
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