Method MAiD in Canada currently possible

[alizee]

I've been trying to get authorization for Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD) for a few years in Canada.

I assume most Canadians on this forum are unaware that theoretically a person suffering a chronic psychological illness "where intolerable pain exists" and while resulting in a decline of being able to function is currently valid for MAiD in Canada.

The Superior Court of Quebec ruled last year that in March of this year, a person doesn't need to have a foreseeable natural death from an illness and the judgement should have went into effect this year in March. Well, an extension was granted for the government to argue the law change at the House of Commons. The very same motion that granted the foregoing is allowing people to proceed with getting MAiD if they get authorization at the court of jurisdiction for MAiD.

So theoretically anyone suffering from any "chronic illness" and where pain is intolerable making ones ability to function decrease can get authorization from the court for getting MAiD.

One still needs a doctor to do a MAiD evaluation to verify what criteria you specifically meet but after that all that's needed is going to court for authorization by the right we have under the current extension period motion.

The cost for a lawyer from what I've found out isn't even much more than a couple of grand. I also found out depending on the province you reside in there may exist an official form; where you can submit to be assigned a doctor that does MAiD without prejudice by doctors not willing to perform a MAiD evaluation or referral to a doctor that can. It took me many bad experiences with doctors and while calling around to find out such a form exists in the province I reside in.

Anyway I thought other Canadians might find the above useful. I'm still working out the evaluation process with the current doctor assigned from the form request process and I will be going to court if the current doctor doesn't error from personal opinion against a psychological illness which shouldn't be done but is always a possibility.

Lastly it may help for anyone interested in attempting the above to have a decent medical history of whatever chronic illness they suffer intolerable pain and restricting ones ability to function. The deadline should be sometime around December.

 

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[Life_and_Death]

thats not exactly how that works. i looked into that when it first became available in canada. your general information is correct. suicidal people can get it. however you make it sound as easy as any other person going to get it and thats just not the case. theres a lot of criteria thats almost impossible to meet. i really wish it was though.

"Bill C-14, passed by the Parliament of Canada in June 2016, amended the Canadian Criminal Code so as to legalize both physician-administered euthanasia (PAE) and physician-assisted suicide (PAS), and to govern access to both procedures in Canada. Neither euthanasia nor assisted suicide are available to minors, nor on the grounds of mental illness, long-term disability, nor any curable condition. To prevent suicide tourism, it is available only to residents eligible for Canadian healthcare coverage. Advance directives are not allowed in Canada for voluntary euthanasia and patients cannot arrange to consent "in advance" to dying later at the hands of a caregiver (such as in cases of dementia or Alzheimer's disease where patients may want to die after they reach an advanced state of mental decline). "

 

[SuicidalSymphonies]

This is actually fantastic news. I have SN, but for the future, this may be something I'll look into.

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[andresantosfx]

thats not exactly how that works. i looked into that when it first became available in canada. your general information is correct. suicidal people can get it. however you make it sound as easy as any other person going to get it and thats just not the case. theres a lot of criteria thats almost impossible to meet. i really wish it was though.

"Bill C-14, passed by the Parliament of Canada in June 2016, amended the Canadian Criminal Code so as to legalize both physician-administered euthanasia (PAE) and physician-assisted suicide (PAS), and to govern access to both procedures in Canada. Neither euthanasia nor assisted suicide are available to minors, nor on the grounds of mental illness, long-term disability, nor any curable condition. To prevent suicide tourism, it is available only to residents eligible for Canadian healthcare coverage. Advance directives are not allowed in Canada for voluntary euthanasia and patients cannot arrange to consent "in advance" to dying later at the hands of a caregiver (such as in cases of dementia or Alzheimer's disease where patients may want to die after they reach an advanced state of mental decline). "

It sounds reasonable. Just the fact that Canada has laws about it, it's already impressive. I'm from Brazil and weed still illegal, abortion only for a very specific cases and euthanasia the government doesn't even talk about. For people with mental issues, maybe in a hundred years, we'll start this discussion in Brazil.

 

[Life_and_Death]

It sounds reasonable. Just the fact that Canada has laws about it, it's already impressive. I'm from Brazil and weed still illegal, abortion only for a very specific cases and euthanasia the government doesn't even talk about. For people with mental issues, maybe in a hundred years, we'll start this discussion in Brazil.

im sorry but that last sentence made me lol.
really though im sorry you live in a place where you cant decided things for yourself. i know that would piss me off because i have reasons for wanting an abortion i feel the government wouldnt allow (if i lived in a place like that). of course for the most part as long as its not something off the wall i think people should be able to do what they want. example like this site. like most im sure it hurts to see a goodbye thread but understanding how they feel its difficult to deny them it. wheres as if it was someone just starting to have depression problems i would probably advise them against it and try to get help asap, thats the one thing i regret about my disorders, not getting help soon enough i honestly believe i could be ok if i kicked it in the butt before it got out of hand.

 

[alizee]

thats not exactly how that works. i looked into that when it first became available in canada. your general information is correct. suicidal people can get it. however you make it sound as easy as any other person going to get it and thats just not the case. theres a lot of criteria thats almost impossible to meet. i really wish it was though.

"Bill C-14, passed by the Parliament of Canada in June 2016, amended the Canadian Criminal Code so as to legalize both physician-administered euthanasia (PAE) and physician-assisted suicide (PAS), and to govern access to both procedures in Canada. Neither euthanasia nor assisted suicide are available to minors, nor on the grounds of mental illness, long-term disability, nor any curable condition. To prevent suicide tourism, it is available only to residents eligible for Canadian healthcare coverage. Advance directives are not allowed in Canada for voluntary euthanasia and patients cannot arrange to consent "in advance" to dying later at the hands of a caregiver (such as in cases of dementia or Alzheimer's disease where patients may want to die after they reach an advanced state of mental decline). "

The part you're quoting isn't correct from my knowledge.

Please see the actual bill's stance from the included attachment. The paragraphs in Bill C-14 mentioning "mental illness" aren't for restricting a person suffering mental illness from MAiD. I've verified the foregoing from a lawyer and a doctor.

Furthermore you might be satisfied with my response if you go research why the extension is even taking place for Bill C-7 in the first place. The Bill C-7 which hasn't even been discussed yet by the house of commons, is for preventing people with mental illness from getting MAiD and it hasn't been passed by the House of Commons.

Currently anyone is eligible by suffering from a mental illness that suffers intolerable pain and where their ability to function is declining.

 

[Life_and_Death]

The part you're quoting isn't correct from my knowledge.

Please see the actual bill's stance from the included attachment. The paragraphs in Bill C-14 mentioning "mental illness" aren't for restricting a person suffering mental illness from MAiD. I've verified the foregoing from a lawyer and a doctor.

ok thats what i quoted but if you look at what I SAID i said

thats not exactly how that works. i looked into that when it first became available in canada. your general information is correct. SUICIDAL PEOPLE CAN GET IT. however you make it sound as easy as any other person going to get it and thats just not the case. theres a lot of criteria thats almost impossible to meet. i really wish it was though.

 

[IrRegularjoe]

I've been trying to get authorization for Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD) for a few years in Canada.

I assume most Canadians on this forum are unaware that theoretically a person suffering a chronic psychological illness "where intolerable pain exists" and while resulting in a decline of being able to function is currently valid for MAiD in Canada.

The Superior Court of Quebec ruled last year that in March of this year, a person doesn't need to have a foreseeable natural death from an illness and the judgement should have went into effect this year in March. Well, an extension was granted for the government to argue the law change at the House of Commons. The very same motion that granted the foregoing is allowing people to proceed with getting MAiD if they get authorization at the court of jurisdiction for MAiD.

So theoretically anyone suffering from any "chronic illness" and where pain is intolerable making ones ability to function decrease can get authorization from the court for getting MAiD.

One still needs a doctor to do a MAiD evaluation to verify what criteria you specifically meet but after that all that's needed is going to court for authorization by the right we have under the current extension period motion.

The cost for a lawyer from what I've found out isn't even much more than a couple of grand. I also found out depending on the province you reside in there may exist an official form; where you can submit to be assigned a doctor that does MAiD without prejudice by doctors not willing to perform a MAiD evaluation or referral to a doctor that can. It took me many bad experiences with doctors and while calling around to find out such a form exists in the province I reside in.

Anyway I thought other Canadians might find the above useful. I'm still working out the evaluation process with the current doctor assigned from the form request process and I will be going to court if the current doctor doesn't error from personal opinion against a psychological illness which shouldn't be done but is always a possibility.

Lastly it may help for anyone interested in attempting the above to have a decent medical history of whatever chronic illness they suffer intolerable pain and restricting ones ability to function. The deadline should be sometime around December.

Unless your illness is a physical disability, I don't know how you got that far without being locked up.

 

[alizee]

Unless your illness is a physical disability, I don't know how you got that far without being locked up.

I've been placed in involuntary care for requesting MAiD. Eventually they realize I'm serious and I know the law somewhat more than most people. So I get released because I'm not trying to commit suicide but just get "MAiD" a medical treatment.

My psychological illness isn't depression and multiple healthcare practitioners think it's a different case than a depressed person. I've had multiple conversations with nurses that actually hope I can get MAiD because it's a right to be treated equally when it comes to MAiD with the criteria needed.

 

[GrassFields]

In my experience, the biggest challenge I've faced in researching MAID with my healthcare providers is running into those who have personally opposing views to the practice. I was diagnosed with ALS and most major Canadian websites on the illness detail assisted dying. When I brought this up with my neurologist, he instantly became uncomfortable and said he had never been approached on that topic before. He said he doesn't condone the practice (which is fine since he's entitled to his personal beliefs) and would be happy to refer me to a specialist who doesn't morally oppose assisted dying, but I can see my raising the issue has made him uncomfortable at all my follow-up appointments. His bedside manner changed completely, almost as if I asked him to bayonet me when the time comes or had asked him to go Hannibal Lecter on me.

I brought the topic up to my GP who had also never had a patient request MAID before. He seemed more willing to research into the steps needed, but strongly placed a case forward for in-home hospice care or assisted living facilities; neither of those options seem appealing to me.

 

[alizee]

In my experience, the biggest challenge I've faced in researching MAID with my healthcare providers is running into those who have personally opposing views to the practice. I was diagnosed with ALS and most major Canadian websites on the illness detail assisted dying. When I brought this up with my neurologist, he instantly became uncomfortable and said he had never been approached on that topic before. He said he doesn't condone the practice (which is fine since he's entitled to his personal beliefs) and would be happy to refer me to a specialist who doesn't morally oppose assisted dying, but I can see my raising the issue has made him uncomfortable at all my follow-up appointments. His bedside manner changed completely, almost as if I asked him to bayonet me when the time comes or had asked him to go Hannibal Lecter on me.

I brought the topic up to my GP who had also never had a patient request MAID before. He seemed more willing to research into the steps needed, but strongly placed a case forward for in-home hospice care or assisted living facilities; neither of those options seem appealing to me.

Never had your experience with doctors willing to give a referral. I asked like 7+ doctors throughout 2 years and multiple nurses. Eventually realized from a nurse I should contact an overseer of the health and social services. Then finally was told of a form that would get assigned a doctor that does MAiD evaluations. I'm assuming people played ignorance with me because my diagnosed illness and your experience is more the norm.

 

[LonelyDude15]

Ya, there is no way you're going to be able to get assisted suicide in Canada due to psychological reasons. Maybe at the end of life clinic in the Netherlands though.

 

[AJ95]

That sounds potentially really promising, but with it having to go to court I think you'd need a benevolent magistrate or judge overseeing the case to have any chance of getting approval.