Help Looking for advice if this hotel is sufficient height to CBT off of. Picture attached.

[Morris1211]

This hotel is 341ft/104m tall. If I jumped from the top balcony onto pavement would it be instant death? Is there a way to make it so you go headfirst? Like maybe adding weights around your neck?

 

[jsker]

that's gonna kill you 100%, but i'd try to go headfirst regardless

 

[ilovenewyork]

Yes it will kill you but don't count on an instant death. What's left of the body on the ground will take some time to die. Probably will be agonizing.

 

[Morris1211]

Yes it will kill you but don't count on an instant death. What's left of the body on the ground will take some time to die. Probably will be agonizing.

You don't think it would be instant death? It's not high enough?

 

[ilovenewyork]

I think the idea of an instant death is a myth. From the outside it may sometimes look that way but that's not how the body works

 

[rozeske]

It is double the minimum recommended hight by stone for 95 to 98% fatality so.....can you make sure not to land on people or cars though? Looks to be a crowded area.

 

[Morris1211]

It is double the minimum recommended hight by stone for 95 to 98% fatality so.....can you make sure not to land on people or cars though? Looks to be a crowded area.

I would do it at night and this area is busier in the summer which is when the google map image was taken. I know no one knows but do you think death would be instant at this height? Is there away to ensure I land head first? I don't think you have control over how your body lands from such height.

I think the idea of an instant death is a myth. From the outside it may sometimes look that way but that's not how the body works

What method would you personally choose?

 

[ilovenewyork]

Probably N

 

[Morris1211]

Probably N

Is that nitrogen exit bag?

 

[itsgone2]

You can access the roof? Or the top floor?

 

[rozeske]

I would do it at night and this area is busier in the summer which is when the google map image was taken. I know no one knows but do you think death would be instant at this height? Is there away to ensure I land head first? I don't think you have control over how your body lands from such height.

That is the downside about jumping, you don't really have much control over how it would turn out. It's advised to obviously aim head first but hard to really insure that. Anyways this is the only info I've seen that talks about jumping.

Jumping off a high building - Lost All Hope

Whilst jumping from height can be a very effective method of suicide (providing it is from sufficient height), it does not account for a particularly high percentage of suicides in either the US or the UK. Having said that, in Honk Kong it accounted for over half of all suicides in 20061, so...

lostallhope.com

 

[darksouls]

I grew up in a house with 17 floors, anyone who jumped from the 17th floor died, there were cobblestones at the bottom

 

[Morris1211]

You can access the roof? Or the top floor?

No I don't think I'd be able to access the roof. I would have to request top floor balcony.

That is the downside about jumping, you don't really have much control over how it would turn out. It's advised to obviously aim head first but hard to really insure that. Anyways this is the only info I've seen that talks about jumping.

Jumping off a high building - Lost All Hope

Whilst jumping from height can be a very effective method of suicide (providing it is from sufficient height), it does not account for a particularly high percentage of suicides in either the US or the UK. Having said that, in Honk Kong it accounted for over half of all suicides in 20061, so...

lostallhope.com

Yes I've been on that site and read about it. Unfortunately there is no easy way to CTB. They're all scary. What method would you choose?

 

[ilovenewyork]

Nembutal, but it's very hard to source

 

[Pony Slaystation]

Yes it will kill you but don't count on an instant death. What's left of the body on the ground will take some time to die. Probably will be agonizing.

That's not a crazy thought and is a common misunderstanding of the science of how the body shuts down under high impact.

When someone falls from a great height or is shot in the head or has a blunt force trauma from a high speed car crash, the forces involved destroy the brain and brainstem in milliseconds, much faster than the nervous system can create any conscious awareness of pain from the injuries.

It takes at least 100 ms for those pain sensations to reach the brain but the brain and brainstem are destroyed within 50 ms and often much less than that. If you want to know more about this you should read up on the Reticular Activating System and how it takes consciousness offline when the brainstem is damaged. We know a lot about these things because brute force trauma has been studied a lot in various contexts (ballistics, car accidents).

So, while you're correct that some of the body's cells could continue living for some time after a catastrophic impact, the person is not capable of experiencing anything any more -- so you don't need to worry about suffering after hitting the ground -- assuming you fall from a sufficient height (5 stories at least and the higher the better) and land on something hard.

But a bigger concern than being in agony after the fall (which will not happen if you do things right), is the agony of the decision to jump (and, to some extent, the horror of falling which will last a few seconds but will be terrifying if not intoxicated).

If I imagine myself on the roof of that building this moment, looking down, I start to notice that I don't feel so bad any more because the hotel and the street and people going about their business make me think, "what a nice day, the sun is shining, things are not so bad". If it were at night instead of a nice sunny day, I would simply have slightly different observations about how pleasant the surroundings are but they would also act to numb my awful feelings about my own life which are very different from my feelings about the outside world. These external observations introduce doubt about my certainty that I am making the right choice.

The last time I was on a high place thinking about jumping I ended up thinking "ok, yes, I could do this right now, but maybe I don't need to do this today". The feeling that in that moment you are all of a sudden in control of everything and have at your disposal something you can do to end your suffering is a very empowering moment that somehow makes everything feel much better and, ironically, makes your task of ending your suffering much harder -- because you start to feel that your suffering is not 100% of you -- even if it still feels like it's 95% of you, you become aware suddently that there is now 5% of you that can make a very powerful decision one way or the other about where you life should go. Which suddenly becomes a big deal (at least for me anyway).

In that way I like the idea of jumping as a method (besides the simple certainty of it compared with some of the complications of other methods except maybe hanging) because the natural horror of it helps to bring clarity about what a big step you are on the verge of. It's very different from swallowing some drugs, which, procedurally, is not so different from something you have done before many times, so that you could kind of sneak your way into a point of no return without really feeling the weight of what you're doing simply by swallowing the pills.

My biggest problem with that building though is that, while I am up there (on the roof or one of the highest floors) struggling with these things, or even after I make the decision to jump but before I actually start falling, someone may end up hanging out on the sidewalk underneath where I intend to fall. I might not see them from where I am and, even if it's a tiny chance, landing on that person could be a big problem for them as well as me -- it could put us both into a long-term living state of hell where we are both condemned to suffer with horrible physical conditions for a long time.

When I make this decision for the last time I want it to be 100% final with no room for my life turning into an even bigger disaster afterwards.

 

[metfan647]

I grew up in a house with 17 floors, anyone who jumped from the 17th floor died, there were cobblestones at the bottom

It happened?

 

[Claymore7274]

one hundred percent

 

[noheart]

Just don't wear a parachute. You won't feel a thing physically from that height.

 

[Abandoned Phantom]

Just going to chime in with this. Adding weights to your neck won't change how you fall. It won't pull your down head first. Gravity doesn't work that way. I know its almost winter, so its getting cold, so this is unlikely, but Is it possible to go to a pool with a highdive board so you can practice jumping without adding a bunch of rotation? I.e. so you don't end up sommersaulting or backflipping, though I can't imagine it would matter too much. that building seems sufficently high, and with a concrete ground, that even if you landed on your feet, it seems highly unlikely that you survive. I can maybe adding a small, like 12 inch diameter, parachute or something, tied to your ankles to help correct minor errors when jumping. Not sure if that would add to much drag and slow you down too much though. probably unnecesary, and possibly a hindrance.

 

[Pony Slaystation]

Prognostic factors in victims of falls from height* : Critical Care Medicine

eased mortality rate in victims of falls from height. Design: Clinical observational study, retrospective for January 1998 to May 1999 and prospective from June 1999 to September 2000. Setting: The study population was drawn from Seine-Saint-Denis, an urban region near Paris with 1.3 million...

journals.lww.com

This study says that above the 5th floor your chances of surviving a fall are low and gets significantly lower with each higher floor, as long as you land on concrete directly and not on your feet.

 

[mychois]

one hundred percent

NY man jumps from 39-storey skyscraper and survives

A New York City resident jumps from the roof of a 39-storey apartment building and survives after landing in the backseat of a parked car.

www.bbc.com

 

[Claymore7274]

NY man jumps from 39-storey skyscraper and survives

A New York City resident jumps from the roof of a 39-storey apartment building and survives after landing in the backseat of a parked car.

www.bbc.com

ninety-eight percent...

 

[Pony Slaystation]

NY man jumps from 39-storey skyscraper and survives

A New York City resident jumps from the roof of a 39-storey apartment building and survives after landing in the backseat of a parked car.

www.bbc.com

The car simply broke his fall. People have fallen out of airplanes and survived because they hit trees on the way down or land in hay or water or mud.

The whole point of the jump is the sudden impact against an immovable object which destroys the brainstem and blows out the organs. There's no substitution for that extreme force.

 

[Morris1211]

That's not a crazy thought and is a common misunderstanding of the science of how the body shuts down under high impact.

When someone falls from a great height or is shot in the head or has a blunt force trauma from a high speed car crash, the forces involved destroy the brain and brainstem in milliseconds, much faster than the nervous system can create any conscious awareness of pain from the injuries.

It takes at least 100 ms for those pain sensations to reach the brain but the brain and brainstem are destroyed within 50 ms and often much less than that. If you want to know more about this you should read up on the Reticular Activating System and how it takes consciousness offline when the brainstem is damaged. We know a lot about these things because brute force trauma has been studied a lot in various contexts (ballistics, car accidents).

So, while you're correct that some of the body's cells could continue living for some time after a catastrophic impact, the person is not capable of experiencing anything any more -- so you don't need to worry about suffering after hitting the ground -- assuming you fall from a sufficient height (5 stories at least and the higher the better) and land on something hard.

But a bigger concern than being in agony after the fall (which will not happen if you do things right), is the agony of the decision to jump (and, to some extent, the horror of falling which will last a few seconds but will be terrifying if not intoxicated).

If I imagine myself on the roof of that building this moment, looking down, I start to notice that I don't feel so bad any more because the hotel and the street and people going about their business make me think, "what a nice day, the sun is shining, things are not so bad". If it were at night instead of a nice sunny day, I would simply have slightly different observations about how pleasant the surroundings are but they would also act to numb my awful feelings about my own life which are very different from my feelings about the outside world. These external observations introduce doubt about my certainty that I am making the right choice.

The last time I was on a high place thinking about jumping I ended up thinking "ok, yes, I could do this right now, but maybe I don't need to do this today". The feeling that in that moment you are all of a sudden in control of everything and have at your disposal something you can do to end your suffering is a very empowering moment that somehow makes everything feel much better and, ironically, makes your task of ending your suffering much harder -- because you start to feel that your suffering is not 100% of you -- even if it still feels like it's 95% of you, you become aware suddently that there is now 5% of you that can make a very powerful decision one way or the other about where you life should go. Which suddenly becomes a big deal (at least for me anyway).

In that way I like the idea of jumping as a method (besides the simple certainty of it compared with some of the complications of other methods except maybe hanging) because the natural horror of it helps to bring clarity about what a big step you are on the verge of. It's very different from swallowing some drugs, which, procedurally, is not so different from something you have done before many times, so that you could kind of sneak your way into a point of no return without really feeling the weight of what you're doing simply by swallowing the pills.

My biggest problem with that building though is that, while I am up there (on the roof or one of the highest floors) struggling with these things, or even after I make the decision to jump but before I actually start falling, someone may end up hanging out on the sidewalk underneath where I intend to fall. I might not see them from where I am and, even if it's a tiny chance, landing on that person could be a big problem for them as well as me -- it could put us both into a long-term living state of hell where we are both condemned to suffer with horrible physical conditions for a long time.

When I make this decision for the last time I want it to be 100% final with no room for my life turning into an even bigger disaster afterwards.

Thank you for your well thought out response. I would like to believe I could see if there was someone below because the last thing I'd want to do is take someone else out with me. I could buy a pair of binoculars just to make sure. I am in an impossible situation. I have protracted withdrawal syndrome from coming off my antidepressants too quickly. It has completely ruined my life. I don't feel anything but anxiety, despair, depression, panic if I leave the house. I can't swallow solid foods anymore. I can only sleep with the help of addictive sleep meds that will eventually lose their effectiveness and then it's back to insomnia. I'm also dependent on benzos now for the anxiety and panic attacks. I used to be a productive member of society, living independently with a good job but now I've been reduced to a small room living back with my parents. This could last years and does for many. I can't continue to live like this. It's only been 5 months since my life exploded. I wish I could go back in time and never stop those meds if I had any idea of the pain and suffering it would cause me. I don't know how I'll make it through Christmas, a holiday I used to love and look forward to. Suicide is the only option to escape this nightmare of an existence. I think about it from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bad. I just want a fast painless way to end the suffering. I feel I have no other choice because I am not strong enough to endure this for years.

 

[Pony Slaystation]

Thank you for your well thought out response. I would like to believe I could see if there was someone below because the last thing I'd want to do is take someone else out with me. I could buy a pair of binoculars just to make sure. I am in an impossible situation. I have protracted withdrawal syndrome from coming off my antidepressants too quickly. It has completely ruined my life. I don't feel anything but anxiety, despair, depression, panic if I leave the house. I can't swallow solid foods anymore. I can only sleep with the help of addictive sleep meds that will eventually lose their effectiveness and then it's back to insomnia. I'm also dependent on benzos now for the anxiety and panic attacks. I used to be a productive member of society, living independently with a good job but now I've been reduced to a small room living back with my parents. This could last years and does for many. I can't continue to live like this. It's only been 5 months since my life exploded. I wish I could go back in time and never stop those meds if I had any idea of the pain and suffering it would cause me. I don't know how I'll make it through Christmas, a holiday I used to love and look forward to. Suicide is the only option to escape this nightmare of an existence. I think about it from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bad. I just want a fast painless way to end the suffering. I feel I have no other choice because I am not strong enough to endure this for years.

Benzos are one of the worst drugs ever created and many people suffer a great deal because of them. In time I think there will eventually be an awareness that benzos have caused as much harm as opioids did. Your situation sounds really painful but it sounds like in your case the supposed cure has been worse than the disease. I have been at some really low points where I resorted to psych meds only to find they have made everything much much worse over time as you get on this unending treadmill of trying to balance them out. I think we give the psychiatric industry too much credit and unfortunately no one except you can determine what the best course is and some of this is complicated by the fact that it's hard to trust your own judgment when you are dealing with so much chemical turbulence in your system from meds as well as stress about your life generally. I have had periods where I have almost ctb only to postpone it long enough that things turned around in a strange way that I didn't anticipate. But life always throws a wrench in there somewhere and for some of us unlucky ones it's not as easy to figure out how to get back on track. It sounds like you had a life you were quite happy with and now wish you could get back to. Maybe you can -- you're luck you have your parents' help at least. Have you thought about trying to go cold turkey on all meds for a while -- just to see how that plays out? I mean you were a "productive member of society" before without that stuff -- maybe you can be again? It sucks trying to go cold turkey but maybe you could tough it out? (Take what I say with a grain of salt -- you're the only one who knows what you're going through.)

 

[Morris1211]

Benzos are one of the worst drugs ever created and many people suffer a great deal because of them. In time I think there will eventually be an awareness that benzos have caused as much harm as opioids did. Your situation sounds really painful but it sounds like in your case the supposed cure has been worse than the disease. I have been at some really low points where I resorted to psych meds only to find they have made everything much much worse over time as you get on this unending treadmill of trying to balance them out. I think we give the psychiatric industry too much credit and unfortunately no one except you can determine what the best course is and some of this is complicated by the fact that it's hard to trust your own judgment when you are dealing with so much chemical turbulence in your system from meds as well as stress about your life generally. I have had periods where I have almost ctb only to postpone it long enough that things turned around in a strange way that I didn't anticipate. But life always throws a wrench in there somewhere and for some of us unlucky ones it's not as easy to figure out how to get back on track. It sounds like you had a life you were quite happy with and now wish you could get back to. Maybe you can -- you're luck you have your parents' help at least. Have you thought about trying to go cold turkey on all meds for a while -- just to see how that plays out? I mean you were a "productive member of society" before without that stuff -- maybe you can be again? It sucks trying to go cold turkey but maybe you could tough it out? (Take what I say with a grain of salt -- you're the only one who knows what you're going through.)

The whole reason I got in this mess was from cold turkey of Cymbalta which put me in protracted. I think if I tried to CT the benzo it would kill me but I guess that's the goal anyway lol. I've just been put in an impossible situation. This shit has damaged my brain. When you remove the drug too quickly it messes with the neurotransmitters like serotonin and norepinephrine and just causes a whole host of horrible symptoms that will last until the brain can adapt to the removal of the drug. Cymbalta is one of the worst for protracted and smart people take years to safely taper off of it to avoid this mess. Protracted withdrawal is not well known and most psychiatrists and healthcare professionals have never even heard of it or don't even acknowledge it as a thing. Unfortunately there is no cure but time and from what I've read the people who have it suffer relentlessly for years as the brain slowly tries to heal and reach homeostasis. Even if I do make it that far I'll have a fucking benzo to try to get off of which is no picnic. I literally made all the wrong decisions that led me to this hell. Online support groups are more knowledgeable and helpful with this shit than actual healthcare professionals. Unfortunately I found them too late.

 

[Pony Slaystation]

Yeah Cymbalta is garbage but its long withdrawal is not unique. I've had withdrawal that made me a zombie too. But if I had to choose between quitting benzos and jumping off the top floor of a building onto a concrete road, I wouldn't have to think it through for very long. Your doctor should have his license revoked for giving you all that crap. You should just flush all that stuff down the toilet if it's making you feel this bad and have another shot at getting back to the life you were living before. I strongly believe everyone should have the right to take their own life if they add up the pros and cons and decide it's not worth it for them to go on. But hearing your story really reminds me that some reasons for ctb are better than others and that someone like you probably has a decent life ahead of you that you're just not able to see at the moment through the fog of everything that you're temporarily dealing with. Whatever you decide though, I truly wish you well either way.

 

[darksouls]

It happened?

yes it happened with zero survivors