Venting Life wasn't worth living in the first place

[Darkover]

since you need a source of energy to stay alive and to eat food so you can grow
since you need a source of water to drink to stay alive
since you need shelter from the weather
since you need entertainment to cope you entertain yourself, but boredom always returns.
since you need drugs just make life tolerable.
since you need sex all distraction from the emptiness of existence

You work to afford food and shelter, but then you have to keep working or you'll lose them.
There is no final point where you're done with needing things. You're on an endless treadmill, and stopping means suffering or death.

if life was truly worth living, it shouldn't require this much maintenance just to keep going. The fact that people need food, shelter, entertainment, and distractions just to cope suggests that existence itself is not rewarding on its own. Instead, it's a constant battle against suffering, where the best you can do is temporarily delay it.
Even if you somehow manage to keep up with all of life's demands, in the end, you die. Everything you did, everything you worked for, everything you enjoyed—none of it matters once you're gone. So why go through all the suffering and struggle if it all leads to nothing?

 

[danzk2005]

pois você precisa de uma fonte de energia para se manter vivo e comer alimentos para poder crescer
já que você precisa de uma fonte de água para beber e se manter vivo
já que você precisa de abrigo contra as intempéries
já que você precisa de entretenimento para lidar com a situação, você se diverte, mas o tédio sempre retorna.
já que você precisa de drogas, apenas torne a vida tolerável.
já que você precisa de sexo, toda distração do vazio da existência

Você trabalha para comprar comida e abrigo, mas precisa continuar trabalhando ou vai perdê-los.
Não há um ponto final em que você não precise mais das coisas. Você está em uma esteira sem fim, e parar significa sofrimento ou morte.

se a vida realmente valesse a pena ser vivida, ela não deveria exigir tanta manutenção só para continuar. O fato de que as pessoas precisam de comida, abrigo, entretenimento e distrações só para lidar sugere que a existência em si não é gratificante por si só. Em vez disso, é uma batalha constante contra o sofrimento, onde o melhor que você pode fazer é adiá-lo temporariamente.
Mesmo que você de alguma forma consiga acompanhar todas as demandas da vida, no final, você morre. Tudo o que você fez, tudo pelo que trabalhou, tudo o que gostou — nada disso importa quando você se for. Então por que passar por todo o sofrimento e luta se tudo isso leva a nada?

life is pain

 

[waterrrrrrrrrbottel]

I see the treadmill as the point to living. What determines "worth living" is in the eye of each individual person.

 

[Darkover]

I see the treadmill as the point to living. What determines "worth living" is in the eye of each individual person.

No matter what a person believes, extreme suffering (e.g., torture, starvation, chronic pain) is universally experienced as negative. If life inherently forces beings to endure suffering without guaranteeing equivalent pleasure, then life has an objectively negative quality.

If life had built-in value, then everyone who exists would experience fulfillment. But many don't, even when they try. This suggests that life's worth is not purely subjective—there are objective conditions that make life more or less worth living.

If worth was truly subjective, then a starving person could "choose" to see their suffering as meaningful. But in reality, biological and psychological needs override pure subjectivity. Meaning isn't just a choice; it's shaped by factors beyond personal perspective.

The idea that "the treadmill is the point" assumes that survival itself is meaningful, but survival is just a biological process, not a justification for existence. The idea that "worth is subjective" ignores that suffering is an objective experience that limits many people's ability to find meaning. While individuals may assign value to life, that doesn't mean life is inherently worth living for everyone.

 

[longtheriverrun]

I'm unsure if this is an effortless reply, but with your outlook it seems like you might be interested in Mainlander's concept of 'The Will to Death.' His philosophy has, for better or for worse, somewhat helped me understand how to navigate my life on a day-to-day basis. Whether or not I choose to keep living for the foreseeable feature almost entirely hinges on how I continue to interpret his work

 

[Unspoken7612]

No matter what a person believes, extreme suffering (e.g., torture, starvation, chronic pain) is universally experienced as negative.

That doesn't actually seem to be true. Many people experiencing those conditions still view their lives as worth living. It's very important the rest of us pay attention to that, otherwise we risk ending up thinking that the genocide of the disabled or poor is a good idea.

If life had built-in value, then everyone who exists would experience fulfillment.

I don't think I agree with this. It doesn't actually seem to follow that life having value should mean everyone feels fulfilled.

While individuals may assign value to life, that doesn't mean life is inherently worth living for everyone.

This I can agree with. People should have a right to decide that life isn't worth living. My issue is when people prescribe that for others.

 

[Darkover]

That doesn't actually seem to be true. Many people experiencing those conditions still view their lives as worth living. It's very important the rest of us pay attention to that, otherwise we risk ending up thinking that the genocide of the disabled or poor is a good idea.

Suffering is still intrinsically negative in the sense that, if given the choice, most would prefer to avoid it. But whether suffering makes life not worth living is a separate question—one that depends on personal perspective. This is where subjectivity plays a role.

This is why personal agency is crucial—only the individual experiencing suffering can determine whether they find life worth continuing.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

No matter what a person believes, extreme suffering (e.g., torture, starvation, chronic pain) is universally experienced as negative. If life inherently forces beings to endure suffering without guaranteeing equivalent pleasure, then life has an objectively negative quality.

If life had built-in value, then everyone who exists would experience fulfillment. But many don't, even when they try. This suggests that life's worth is not purely subjective—there are objective conditions that make life more or less worth living.

If worth was truly subjective, then a starving person could "choose" to see their suffering as meaningful. But in reality, biological and psychological needs override pure subjectivity. Meaning isn't just a choice; it's shaped by factors beyond personal perspective.

The idea that "the treadmill is the point" assumes that survival itself is meaningful, but survival is just a biological process, not a justification for existence. The idea that "worth is subjective" ignores that suffering is an objective experience that limits many people's ability to find meaning. While individuals may assign value to life, that doesn't mean life is inherently worth living for everyone.

I agree.

Also the stupid pleasure addictions lead to the worst torture . And these pleasure addictions are imposed manipulations. 1 minute of the worst constant pain not a second's relief makes everything else meaningless. How about an hour of the worst constant pain or torture . Who would trade some stupid imposed pleasure addiction like eating food for even 12 hours of the worst constant pain or torture?

And keep in mind there's no meaning to life or any pleasure addictions like eating food. A human is just 30 trillion cells , a machine, chemical reactions .

Evolution Programmed extreme pain and pleasure addictions into animals and humans only to trick manipulate them into reproducing To pass on the genes . Evolution DNA has no intelligence nor purpose only a horrific accident of this entropic universe that is only brain cells a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain.

For example let's assume I have my shotgun ready to kill myself. But then I get some notification that some big podcast or news story is developing. So I say I can shoot myself after a few days so I can see where this news story is heading.

But then I get into a car accident tomorrow. Car fire burned 95 % of my skin off and brain damage from crash . So I'm in constant unbearable pain and and can't kill myself cause of the brain damage . So the news youtube addiction led to that torture

Every brain cell in a human has the core of the first cell. Nothing is important or meaningful. A human is just a machine, cells , chemical reactions, a bug. Evolution and culture society media other people programmed a human to think things in this hell have meaning that u need or want to do these things that are only bait for extreme suffering. Nothing matters except avoiding extreme pain which is more intense and longer lasting than the meaningless pleasure addictions manipulations.

Also we all die anyway. And I'm glad this horrible universe will also die as it has always expanded and will continue to expand into nothingness . even the protons and black holes will decay. Good riddance to the abomination of DNA based life

 

[Darkover]

Also the stupid pleasure addictions lead to the worst torture . And these pleasure addictions are imposed manipulations. 1 minute of the worst constant pain not a second's relief makes everything else meaningless. How about an hour of the worst constant pain or torture . Who would trade some stupid imposed pleasure addiction like eating food for even 12 hours of the worst constant pain or torture?

And keep in mind there's no meaning to life or any pleasure addictions like eating food. A human is just 30 trillion cells , a machine, chemical reactions .

Evolution Programmed extreme pain and pleasure addictions into animals and humans only to trick manipulate them into reproducing To pass on the genes . Evolution DNA has no intelligence nor purpose only a horrific accident of this entropic universe that is only brain cells a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain

For example let's assume I have my shotgun ready to kill myself. But then I get some notification that some big podcast or news story is developing. So I say I can shoot myself after a few days so I can see where this news story is heading.

But then I get into a car accident tomorrow. Car fire burned 95 % of my skin off and brain damage from crash . So I'm in constant unbearable pain and and can't kill myself cause of the brain damage . So the news youtube addiction led to that torture

The sheer fact that the worst kind of pain exists makes every fleeting pleasure feel like a meaningless trick. If there's even a small chance of being locked into unrelenting agony, why would any amount of pleasure justify the risk? it doesn't

 

[Namelesa]

Life to me isn't worth it in the first place as its literally gambling to see if you end up enjoying or suffering from life. I personally wouldn't want to take that risk especially as I am not disadvantaged by not existing but I am forced to go through this by my parents creating me. We shouldn't force anyone into a system which may not be for them.

life is pain