Kenneth Law legal defense fund? And questions

[moron]

Does anyone know, is there a way for people to contribute to Kenneth Law's legal defense, or to send him a message of support? Does anybody already do this?

I certainly understand that he is in big legal trouble. I don't know the particulars of he allegedly did business, or whether he will be convicted on the charges against him.

I also don't claim to know his personal beliefs, if he supported the pro-choice cause, or if he was merely a profiteer.

But I imagine there would be people who frequent this place, that support the idea of what he was allegedly doing, the way there are supporters of Phillip Nitschke and Exit International.

Does Exit International, or any other pro-choice organization, have public opinions about the predicament of Kenneth Law?

Thoughts?

 

[Chronicoverwhelm]

This might or might not be relevant, but I am considering using the SN I obtained from his site and wondered about sending some kind of document to his defense team if I choose to use it. The reason being, I do not want my death to be added to the list of charges against him or at least not easily.
I don't want to give prolifers more ammunition against him.
My letter might say something along the lines of: I was not counseled, not coerced. There was no conversation with anyone during my transaction when I bought SN, the transaction was no different than purchasing any item off Amazon for example, with the exception of having to prove my age. Buying SN in my opinion, can be closely compared to buying rope at a hardware store. Restricting my access to SN would not have saved my life, as I would have resorted to more violent ways to leave this world. I had been researching different ways to leave this world since the 90s and using SN was one of several methods I came across online and also in the media (ie Amazon in the news). I had been seeking "help" for 3 decades and there really is very little or no "help" (at least in my case). I have legitimate/reasonable reasons to want to leave this world, such as significant financial debt, homelessness, chronic incurable progressive illnesses, chronic pain, not being able to work to support myself, etc... and now I have found peace from a lifetime of suffering.

 

[Gonnerr]

Erase the emails, and throw away the package. But they still have your credit card that can be link to him and his website.

But I think more deaths won't change anything. Its Canada , sentence are soft , if he ever get a sentence , it will be short and will be out in less than 2 to 5 years.

 

[UKscotty]

He should pay for it from all the profits he made from selling death.

Selling a legal substance at a 100x profit doesn't make him a hero, it makes him worse than local drug dealer.

This man is not a hero, he just saw an opportunity to rip off suffering people.

 

[Chronicoverwhelm]

Erase the emails, and throw away the package. But they still have your credit card that can be link to him and his website.

But I think more deaths won't change anything. Its Canada , sentence are soft , if he ever get a sentence , it will be short and will be out in less than 2 to 5 years.

If this is in response to my post, it is already known by authorities that I bought my SN from him. I was one of the ones that got two welfare checks by the RCMP last year because they got all my info from the IC records. My letter could possibly help his defense for my departure specifically because:
A) I wasn't counseled or coerced
B) I'm not a child or teenager
C) I tried to get "help" for 3 decades unsuccessfully (prolifers seem to think people like me just need to reach out for help, call 811 etc... *eye roll*)
Even if a letter about my experience isn't helpful for his defense, it won't likely help the prosecutor's case and definitely can't give more ammunition to prolifer a$$holes and that's important to me.
*edit* I can't speak for what others' experiences with him were, or what KL's intentions were, but I don't want my departure added to the hot water he is in.

 

[LigottiSchopenhauer]

I would 100% donate to any legitimate legal defense fund for Kenneth, but I'd need to do careful research beforehand to make sure my money was going to the right place.

 

[DreamEnd]

He should pay for it from all the profits he made from selling death.

Selling a legal substance at a 100x profit doesn't make him a hero, it makes him worse than local drug dealer.

This man is not a hero, he just saw an opportunity to rip off suffering people.

He doesn't owe you a peaceful death he could literally charge 1000$ for it and it would make no difference. D was selling N for 450$ a bottle when it doesn't cost more than 50$ a piece.
He took the risk selling it, he knew it. That was his price for the risk he took. People should be thankful there are people like him who literally put their lives on the line to help others achieve peace

 

[oneeyed]

D was selling N for 450$ a bottle when it doesn't cost more than 50$ a piece.

One particular, and important difference, is that pentobarbital is a controlled substance and still much smaller supply.
If I remember correctly with Kenneth, he was caught red handed instructing in how to use sn to ctb. That person was a reporter I think, don't quote me on that. It's not the sales of sn itself he's being charged with, it's the knowledge of what people are using it for and instructions given to ctb. He was profiteering and got sloppy.

 

[DreamEnd]

One particular, and important difference, is that pentobarbital is a controlled substance and still much smaller supply.
If I remember correctly with Kenneth, he was caught red handed instructing in how to use sn to ctb. That person was a reporter I think, don't quote me on that. It's not the sales of sn itself he's being charged with, it's the knowledge of what people are using it for and instructions given to ctb. He was profiteering and got sloppy.

I dont think there were insructions. I think enough people killed themselves without throwing away they bottles so they were able to find the website. And the website is sketchy as hell, it was pure suicidal products there so the intention was made clear

 

[oneeyed]

I dont think there were insructions. I think enough people killed themselves without throwing away they bottles so they were able to find the website. And the website is sketchy as hell, it was pure suicidal products there so the intention was made clear

I didn't mean written instructions on the websites or packaging, more like he was in contact with someone directly. But I agree with the not throwing away the bottles, cops/prosecuters connected the dots.

 

[rozeske]

@Chronicoverwhelm I think in a world where a person who commits suicide is considered 'not of sound mind' or 'crazy' i doubt they would give the letter much value.

 

[mortuarymary]

He should pay for it from all the profits he made from selling death.

Selling a legal substance at a 100x profit doesn't make him a hero, it makes him worse than local drug dealer.

This man is not a hero, he just saw an opportunity to rip off suffering people.

Exactly this.

 

[moron]

This might or might not be relevant, but I am considering using the SN I obtained from his site and wondered about sending some kind of document to his defense team if I choose to use it. The reason being, I do not want my death to be added to the list of charges against him or at least not easily.
I don't want to give prolifers more ammunition against him.
My letter might say something along the lines of: I was not counseled, not coerced. There was no conversation with anyone during my transaction when I bought SN, the transaction was no different than purchasing any item off Amazon for example, with the exception of having to prove my age. Buying SN in my opinion, can be closely compared to buying rope at a hardware store. Restricting my access to SN would not have saved my life, as I would have resorted to more violent ways to leave this world. I had been researching different ways to leave this world since the 90s and using SN was one of several methods I came across online and also in the media (ie Amazon in the news). I had been seeking "help" for 3 decades and there really is very little or no "help" (at least in my case). I have legitimate/reasonable reasons to want to leave this world, such as significant financial debt, homelessness, chronic incurable progressive illnesses, chronic pain, not being able to work to support myself, etc... and now I have found peace from a lifetime of suffering.

I think it could not hurt anything to contact KL's lawyers with your story, they will let you know if it could be of any help to his case.

I can't imagine there's any downside to doing this. You wouldn't get in trouble; they're not going to tattle on you for still having it lol. Good luck to you

 

[mortuarymary]

I think it could not hurt anything to contact KL's lawyers with your story, they will let you know if it could be of any help to his case.

I can't imagine there's any downside to doing this. You wouldn't get in trouble; they're not going to tattle on you for still having it lol. Good luck to you

Maybe but I doubt they'd take a blind bit of notice.

 

[moron]

@Chronicoverwhelm I think in a world where a person who commits suicide is considered 'not of sound mind' or 'crazy' i doubt they would give the letter much value.

I think you are correct. But who knows, maybe it might help KL's case if his lawyers can point to a lot of people who feel the same way about their dealings with him?

Maybe it could make a statement in the national conversation about the possibility of expanding MAID to people with psychiatric issues? But maybe this is wishful thinking on my part :). Good luck to you.

 

[Forever Sleep]

This might or might not be relevant, but I am considering using the SN I obtained from his site and wondered about sending some kind of document to his defense team if I choose to use it. The reason being, I do not want my death to be added to the list of charges against him or at least not easily.
I don't want to give prolifers more ammunition against him.
My letter might say something along the lines of: I was not counseled, not coerced. There was no conversation with anyone during my transaction when I bought SN, the transaction was no different than purchasing any item off Amazon for example, with the exception of having to prove my age. Buying SN in my opinion, can be closely compared to buying rope at a hardware store. Restricting my access to SN would not have saved my life, as I would have resorted to more violent ways to leave this world. I had been researching different ways to leave this world since the 90s and using SN was one of several methods I came across online and also in the media (ie Amazon in the news). I had been seeking "help" for 3 decades and there really is very little or no "help" (at least in my case). I have legitimate/reasonable reasons to want to leave this world, such as significant financial debt, homelessness, chronic incurable progressive illnesses, chronic pain, not being able to work to support myself, etc... and now I have found peace from a lifetime of suffering.

Yeah, I thought about doing this too. Did you have the police checks? I've already spoken to a detective giving the exact same example- the rope at the hardware store. I simply bought it as a product. No mention of suicide. I reckon I would just reaffirm this in a note though and let them know they had already investigated my purchase so they can just wrap it up quickly.

 

[moron]

I dont think there were insructions. I think enough people killed themselves without throwing away they bottles so they were able to find the website. And the website is sketchy as hell, it was pure suicidal products there so the intention was made clear

I am curious what evidence they will present against him in the court case. I remember looking at his website and he offered phone consultations and things like that. So maybe it's these kinds of things which they will use to implicate him in the deaths, or if it is just the sales of the chemical itself Maybe they built the case around his consultations with the undercover reporter. It will be interesting to see what comes out.

Is there a way to follow the case through the courts?

Thank you for your contribution to this discussion.

He doesn't owe you a peaceful death he could literally charge 1000$ for it and it would make no difference. D was selling N for 450$ a bottle when it doesn't cost more than 50$ a piece.
He took the risk selling it, he knew it. That was his price for the risk he took. People should be thankful there are people like him who literally put their lives on the line to help others achieve peace

Whatever his motivations were, it certainly took balls for him to do what he did, I have to give him that

Maybe but I doubt they'd take a blind bit of notice.

You're probably right

Maybe but I doubt they'd take a blind bit of notice.

You're probably right

 

[Chronicoverwhelm]

@Chronicoverwhelm I think in a world where a person who commits suicide is considered 'not of sound mind' or 'crazy' i doubt they would give the letter much value.

Yes, you are right, unfortunately. I keep forgetting to consider this. But I guess I can only try my best to not have my own CTB add to the hot water he's already in.

Mental illness or no mental illness though, I am homeless at the end of this month and that is something I refuse to tolerate. I'll be homeless because of the housing crisis and because of being on disability and not able to do the physical labour I used to do. Prolifers can whine and post the 811 number all they want, there is no fix for this situation.

Yeah, I thought about doing this too. Did you have the police checks? I've already spoken to a detective giving the exact same example- the rope at the hardware store. I simply bought it as a product. No mention of suicide. I reckon I would just reaffirm this in a note though and let them know they had already investigated my purchase so they can just wrap it up quickly.

Yes, last year I had 2 welfare checks around the same time others were getting them who had purchased from IC.
Exactly, I reckon my letter would reaffirm the same, that my purchase did not involve any mention of suicide and that I was not one of the ones who was counseled by KL.

I think you are correct. But who knows, maybe it might help KL's case if his lawyers can point to a lot of people who feel the same way about their dealings with him?

Maybe it could make a statement in the national conversation about the possibility of expanding MAID to people with psychiatric issues? But maybe this is wishful thinking on my part :). Good luck to you.

Agreed, who knows. I think in my case, the purpose of a letter (in addition to not wanting to add to the hot water KL is already in), is so my departure hopefully won't be used as an example or as ammunition by anyone, not the prosecution, prolifers or media. I am not another one of KL's "victims". I also want to go quietly without my departure being spoken of.

The media doesn't usually show all sides of a story and they are making him out to be a murderer. I can't speak to what his intentions were with his online businesses and apparently he got himself busted counseling someone who was actually the media, but my letter would say that in my case, my purchase was just an ordinary online transaction with the exception of having to verify my age. A dead end for the media or investigators I hope.

It might be worth adding that the only reason I purchased SN from KL (IC) was because Amazon took theirs off the site. I was set to purchase the SN for about $88 ish USD but was waiting to be able to afford it. Then they took it down. Had I had the money when I wanted to order it, I would have gotten it from Amazon. I paid about $120 ish CAD for mine from KL (IC).

I think you are correct. But who knows, maybe it might help KL's case if his lawyers can point to a lot of people who feel the same way about their dealings with him?

Maybe it could make a statement in the national conversation about the possibility of expanding MAID to people with psychiatric issues? But maybe this is wishful thinking on my part :). Good luck to you.

Agreed, who knows. I think in my case, the purpose of a letter (in addition to not wanting to add to the hot water KL is already in), is so my departure hopefully won't be used as an example or as ammunition by anyone, not the prosecution, prolifers or media. I am not another one of KL's "victims". I also want to go quietly without my departure being spoken of.

The media doesn't usually show all sides of a story and they are making him out to be a murderer. I can't speak to what his intentions were with his online businesses and apparently he got himself busted counseling someone who was actually the media, but my letter would say that in my case, my purchase was just an ordinary online transaction with the exception of having to verify my age. A dead end for the media or investigators I hope.

It might be worth adding that the only reason I purchased SN from KL (IC) was because Amazon took theirs off the site. I was set to purchase the SN for about $88 ish USD but was waiting to be able to afford it. Then they took it down. Had I had the money when I wanted to order it, I would have gotten it from Amazon. I paid about $120 ish CAD for mine from KL (IC).