NemoZeno

NemoZeno

Quae Est Absurdum
Nov 6, 2018
78
If you need a backup, do this.

NoLifeNoPain did already put a guide here.
The whole thread is a good read though it seems some people didn't have success with it which is why I'm doing my own. Maybe it's hubris but I think I have 2 differences that make this method much more likely to succeed which warrants a separate post.

What you'll need:
1) Get an actual tourniquet. Buy one: it's only $20. (assuming you don't have Prime)
If you can't get one, then sorry, you'll have to try another method.
At least you won't "have to" read my wall of text.
2) Handcuffs. Same price
3) THIN soft cloth/towel.

Parts+of+the+Tourniquet.jpg
How to apply
How I did:
1) place THIN towel/cloth around neck like a scarf.
The towel/cloth is there to prevent discomfort that comes from the edges of the strap pinching your skin when you start tightening.
You don't have to cover every millimeter of skin: just enough. You be the judge.
2) place the strap below the jawline but as close to it as possible. For guys, this is much easier to locate as it is above the adam's apple. This is the most difficult step IMO.
Sometimes, even though you're reasonably certain it's in the right area (snug against cartoid arteries), you won't start feeling woozy at all. If it takes >10 seconds and you don't feel like fainting/woozy AT ALL, TRY AGAIN. It should NOT take that long
3) Twist windlass until you can't twist anymore
4) best if applied while sitting down. Lay down only after tourn is applied. When I tried above while laying down, it rarely worked for some reason but YMMV

My practice involves only tightening the windlass about 2 full rotations less than full . Ostensibly, if I did as tight a possible/to full, I would be out in 5 seconds after securing the rod to the clip/bracket.
After doing above, it only took...5 seconds then I started to feel woozy.

At that point, I was "edging": I was curious how far I could go before I "felt" I needed to loosen it up.
I'm a huge idiot (surprise surprise):
This is very risky if it matters that you do not die during the attempt) therefore
DO NO EDGE (again, only if it's important not to die during attempt).

My point in making this post (aside from providing a more comprehensive guide to this method) is to warn others when practicing.

When you're about 6 seconds inside the "woozy phase", your perception of reality is shut down to the bare basics. You are semi-conscious.
What I went through:
-only aware of some pressure around neck (NOT painful if applied correctly) and heartbeat
-eyes are shut because you feel sleepy (unless you're willing yourself to keep them open. I don't recommend that...my "theory" is that encourages a stronger survival instinct)
-therefore the only thoughts I had (YMMV) is, "Huh...it's working again and a little quicker this time. Ok ...better loosen NOW NOW NOW because I'm starting to lose control over everything"

The last "command" I sent to my body is to remove the tourn. My barely conscious self struggled to do that. I ended standing up and walking down the hallway of where I live (10 meters) while trying to undo.
I had a little difficulty in getting it removed (the cloth was slightly in the way and my severely decreased awareness found it hard to make the dexterous movements to undo the tourn.
After I undid...things immediately started getting into focus as if I just woke up from a very light nap.

So...it works.
If you practice enough, you won't panic as much. I barely did when I was trying to undo.
If it happens as quick as it should when you fully rotate the windlass...you won't have to practice as much since you probably won't have time to panic.
I only had VERY MINISCULE amounts of panic set in since I didn't exactly want to die during this practice run (but whatever, apathy helps and I thought, "OK, guess this is it).

When my time comes, I will make sure to:
-apply handcuffs with my hands behind my back
-calm my mind

Good luck
 
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Afterman

take me somewhere nice
Nov 13, 2018
124
Would a bathrobe rope and a wooden spoon work? Do you think handcuffs are really necessary or does the body actually unconciously unwind the torniquet? There's no mention of that in the Five Acts book.
 
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NemoZeno

NemoZeno

Quae Est Absurdum
Nov 6, 2018
78
Would a bathrobe rope and a wooden spoon work? Do you think handcuffs are really necessary or does the body actually unconciously unwind the torniquet? There's no mention of that in the Five Acts book.

I edited my response but I'll say around the same here in my response: from what I have seen online, those would work.

HOWEVER, even though I have seen a picture or 2 of a person doing just that and successfully dying, I personally do not trust the spoon to stay in place.

That is why I:
1) include the handcuffs in case it is I that takes off the spoon
2) use an actual tourn so the windlass/spoon/whatever you use stays in place. It will stay there even if I drop to ground/move and fidget around.

Using a spoon, I can foresee that it will be unlodged/undone if your body convulses/thrashes around.
 
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Afterman

take me somewhere nice
Nov 13, 2018
124
Do you think you can overcome the survival instinct?
 
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ron_g

Experienced
Nov 25, 2018
240
How strong was your perception of an exploding head?
How much time did you spend tightening of the tourniquet?
Before reduction of consciousness, did you perceive pain of your windpipe or a neighboring part of the body?
Did the experiment leave marks on your neck and for how long?
 
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BurningLights

BurningLights

He killed himself with his own mind
Jul 2, 2018
709
So know effects on your perception after letting go?
Everytime I do this I basically have a mini fit, can't control my body and I'm somewhat aware of what's going on but I know I wouldn't be able to respond. Also my hearing gets proper fucked up, like a really damaged audio file.
 
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John Smith

John Smith

Arcanist
Aug 6, 2018
424
If you need a backup, do this.

NoLifeNoPain did already put a guide here.
The whole thread is a good read though it seems some people didn't have success with it which is why I'm doing my own. Maybe it's hubris but I think I have 2 differences that make this method much more likely to succeed which warrants a separate post.

What you'll need:
1) Get an actual tourniquet. Buy one: it's only $20. (assuming you don't have Prime)
If you can't get one, then sorry, you'll have to try another method.
At least you won't "have to" read my wall of text.
2) Handcuffs. Same price
3) THIN soft cloth/towel.

Parts+of+the+Tourniquet.jpg
How to apply
How I did:
1) place THIN towel/cloth around neck like a scarf.
The towel/cloth is there to prevent discomfort that comes from the edges of the strap pinching your skin when you start tightening.
You don't have to cover every millimeter of skin: just enough. You be the judge.
2) place the strap below the jawline but as close to it as possible. For guys, this is much easier to locate as it is above the adam's apple. This is the most difficult step IMO.
Sometimes, even though you're reasonably certain it's in the right area (snug against cartoid arteries), you won't start feeling woozy at all. If it takes >10 seconds and you don't feel like fainting/woozy AT ALL, TRY AGAIN. It should NOT take that long
3) Twist windlass until you can't twist anymore
4) best if applied while sitting down. Lay down only after tourn is applied. When I tried above while laying down, it rarely worked for some reason but YMMV

My practice involves only tightening the windlass about 2 full rotations less than full . Ostensibly, if I did as tight a possible/to full, I would be out in 5 seconds after securing the rod to the clip/bracket.
After doing above, it only took...5 seconds then I started to feel woozy.

At that point, I was "edging": I was curious how far I could go before I "felt" I needed to loosen it up.
I'm a huge idiot (surprise surprise):
This is very risky if it matters that you do not die during the attempt) therefore
DO NO EDGE (again, only if it's important not to die during attempt).

My point in making this post (aside from providing a more comprehensive guide to this method) is to warn others when practicing.

When you're about 6 seconds inside the "woozy phase", your perception of reality is shut down to the bare basics. You are semi-conscious.
What I went through:
-only aware of some pressure around neck (NOT painful if applied correctly) and heartbeat
-eyes are shut because you feel sleepy (unless you're willing yourself to keep them open. I don't recommend that...my "theory" is that encourages a stronger survival instinct)
-therefore the only thoughts I had (YMMV) is, "Huh...it's working again and a little quicker this time. Ok ...better loosen NOW NOW NOW because I'm starting to lose control over everything"

The last "command" I sent to my body is to remove the tourn. My barely conscious self struggled to do that. I ended standing up and walking down the hallway of where I live (10 meters) while trying to undo.
I had a little difficulty in getting it removed (the cloth was slightly in the way and my severely decreased awareness found it hard to make the dexterous movements to undo the tourn.
After I undid...things immediately started getting into focus as if I just woke up from a very light nap.

So...it works.
If you practice enough, you won't panic as much. I barely did when I was trying to undo.
If it happens as quick as it should when you fully rotate the windlass...you won't have to practice as much since you probably won't have time to panic.
I only had VERY MINISCULE amounts of panic set in since I didn't exactly want to die during this practice run (but whatever, apathy helps and I thought, "OK, guess this is it).

When my time comes, I will make sure to:
-apply handcuffs with my hands behind my back
-calm my mind

Good luck
Does the tourniquet leave a mark?
 
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Didymus

Didymus

Clutching at invisible straws
Dec 11, 2018
348
2) place the strap below the jawline but as close to it as possible. For guys, this is much easier to locate as it is above the adam's apple. This is the most difficult step IMO.

I bought a tourniquet like the one in the photo and yeah it is really difficult to place the wide strap and keep it above the adam's apple.
 
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Didymus

Didymus

Clutching at invisible straws
Dec 11, 2018
348
Using a spoon, I can foresee that it will be unlodged/undone if your body convulses/thrashes around.

I tried a real tourniquet but I can't place and keep it above the adam's apple.
I am afraid a spoon will also unwind itself during convulsions.

I am testing a 64cm iron stick 10mm width. Making turns takes practice but when I'm lying in bed I can put the stick between the bed spokes behind my head and it feels secured in place. Of course I don't know if it will work for real. I'm afraid I will fall out of bed and it fails.
 
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jade

jade

crybaby
Nov 14, 2018
61
If you need a backup, do this.

NoLifeNoPain did already put a guide here.
The whole thread is a good read though it seems some people didn't have success with it which is why I'm doing my own. Maybe it's hubris but I think I have 2 differences that make this method much more likely to succeed which warrants a separate post.

What you'll need:
1) Get an actual tourniquet. Buy one: it's only $20. (assuming you don't have Prime)
If you can't get one, then sorry, you'll have to try another method.
At least you won't "have to" read my wall of text.
2) Handcuffs. Same price
3) THIN soft cloth/towel.

Parts+of+the+Tourniquet.jpg
How to apply
How I did:
1) place THIN towel/cloth around neck like a scarf.
The towel/cloth is there to prevent discomfort that comes from the edges of the strap pinching your skin when you start tightening.
You don't have to cover every millimeter of skin: just enough. You be the judge.
2) place the strap below the jawline but as close to it as possible. For guys, this is much easier to locate as it is above the adam's apple. This is the most difficult step IMO.
Sometimes, even though you're reasonably certain it's in the right area (snug against cartoid arteries), you won't start feeling woozy at all. If it takes >10 seconds and you don't feel like fainting/woozy AT ALL, TRY AGAIN. It should NOT take that long
3) Twist windlass until you can't twist anymore
4) best if applied while sitting down. Lay down only after tourn is applied. When I tried above while laying down, it rarely worked for some reason but YMMV

My practice involves only tightening the windlass about 2 full rotations less than full . Ostensibly, if I did as tight a possible/to full, I would be out in 5 seconds after securing the rod to the clip/bracket.
After doing above, it only took...5 seconds then I started to feel woozy.

At that point, I was "edging": I was curious how far I could go before I "felt" I needed to loosen it up.
I'm a huge idiot (surprise surprise):
This is very risky if it matters that you do not die during the attempt) therefore
DO NO EDGE (again, only if it's important not to die during attempt).

My point in making this post (aside from providing a more comprehensive guide to this method) is to warn others when practicing.

When you're about 6 seconds inside the "woozy phase", your perception of reality is shut down to the bare basics. You are semi-conscious.
What I went through:
-only aware of some pressure around neck (NOT painful if applied correctly) and heartbeat
-eyes are shut because you feel sleepy (unless you're willing yourself to keep them open. I don't recommend that...my "theory" is that encourages a stronger survival instinct)
-therefore the only thoughts I had (YMMV) is, "Huh...it's working again and a little quicker this time. Ok ...better loosen NOW NOW NOW because I'm starting to lose control over everything"

The last "command" I sent to my body is to remove the tourn. My barely conscious self struggled to do that. I ended standing up and walking down the hallway of where I live (10 meters) while trying to undo.
I had a little difficulty in getting it removed (the cloth was slightly in the way and my severely decreased awareness found it hard to make the dexterous movements to undo the tourn.
After I undid...things immediately started getting into focus as if I just woke up from a very light nap.

So...it works.
If you practice enough, you won't panic as much. I barely did when I was trying to undo.
If it happens as quick as it should when you fully rotate the windlass...you won't have to practice as much since you probably won't have time to panic.
I only had VERY MINISCULE amounts of panic set in since I didn't exactly want to die during this practice run (but whatever, apathy helps and I thought, "OK, guess this is it).

When my time comes, I will make sure to:
-apply handcuffs with my hands behind my back
-calm my mind

Good luck

can confirm this 100%. i bought an original CAT gen7 tourniquet (the one they use in the military, kinda expensive tho) bc i don't trust those "fake" ones on amazon. they probably work as well, but i'm just paranoid, i wanted extra strength)
it only needs a bit of practice, placement, tightness, a light padding on the neck so the skin won't hurt when you tighten it, etc.. but damn it's so easy to get dizzy and edge. "real" tourniquets are designed specifically for arteries, so if you follow the instructions it's pretty damn easy to find that sweet spot, without the risk of a homemade tourniquet only blocking the veins and giving you the exploding head feeling.
i second the "don't edge" part. if you get it right, you could easily die without meaning to.
my plan is a light benzo OD beforehand, but i get dizzy so quickly i probably won't need to fight any survival instincts. my arms were shaking a bit, but it's not something i'm worried about.
 
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Lifeisatrap

Arcanist
Oct 5, 2018
408
How reliable is this method? I was thinking of trying this in combination with the sn possibly. Read a little bit about it in the last five acts, would love to know more.
 
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jade

crybaby
Nov 14, 2018
61
How reliable is this method? I was thinking of trying this in combination with the sn possibly. Read a little bit about it in the last five acts, would love to know more.
if you're blocking the arteries (there's a thread here that explains well how to find them) and you're not found on time and you don't get the instinct to loosen the tourniquet, i'd say it's very reliable.
 
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gingerplum

Enlightened
Nov 5, 2018
1,450
I need to tell you guys:

If you're "practicing" and you're lying down, be very careful of suddenly sitting or standing up. Better to remain sitting or lying down; if you get up quickly while you're already lightheaded, you could easily experience orthostatic hypotension and pass out.

This is when a change to an upright position causes your blood pressure to rapidly decrease, and the loss of blood flow to your brain leads to syncope, or fainting.

This is doubly likely to happen if you've already decreased the blood flow to your head.

The more you know ;)
 
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scissors

Member
Jul 26, 2018
15
*I posted this as a separate thread a few days ago but didn't really get very far with it so I'm reposting it here *
Ive been researching methods now for quite a while and Ive decided on carotid artery compression either by partial suspension or the blood choke/ligature method (as explained in the final exit book and in the resource section). Ive been trying to practice this a bit: locating the carotid, putting pressure on it etc and plan to practice tying the ligature around my thigh etc. I can't make myself dizzy by pressing on my artery with my fingers even with a lot of pressure ( as far I know I have the right place, just under the jaw but I'm physically very big and have a lot of muscle, I also have very deep blood vessels which can be a problem when I have to give blood) but I do notice that my breathing through my nose changes and I start to snore which I'm assuming is a good sign? has anyone else practiced this and got further than me? I really want to practice this as much as I can before I do it finally so any tips will be great.
 
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