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SomewhereAlongThe

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It's been 9 months since I have gotten out of the hospital diagnosed with Bipolar. I spent 9 months trying to find a passion or hobby to keep me going. As it turns out I lack ability in almost every area I went into, maths, writing, drawing, etc. It has broken my heart not to have any ability or passion. And that all I have seems to be Bipolar and Autism. I told myself I wouldn't live or stick around if my life turns out like this, with nothing to do. Yet, there's still something left. There's making love my objective in life. Loving others, feeding the homeless, making stuff for them. Yet I don't know if I have the stamina or kindness in my soul, to do this. I need help, I need someone to tell me loving others is worth it, and why. When I believed in God it was so much easier to dedicate my life to helping the poor, because I knew I wasn't alone and God was my biggest role-model to look up to for love. Yet, God is just a figment of my imagination and even He let me down, because there's no way He's as loving as I thought he was. I really want this to be my purpose in life, but I don't know if wanting a loving outlook is as good as having one.
 
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Sunü (素女)

Sunü (素女)

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told myself I wouldn't live or stick around if my life turns out like this, with nothing to do. Yet, there's still something left. There's making love my objective in life. Loving others, feeding the homeless, making stuff for them. Yet I don't know if I have the stamina or kindness in my soul, to do this. I need help, I need someone to tell me loving others is worth it, and why.
While I do think it's an admirable choice, I advise to choose a reason that resonates with you personally. That reason doesn't also have to be selfless or righteous; it could be as self-serving as you'd want it to be. Only you can accurately determine whether it's suitable to you. To me, I chose a reason/goal that spoke to me: I wanted to achieve greatness. Looking back, I chose that goal to be a counter to my deteriorating will to live.

I really want this to be my purpose in life, but I don't know if wanting a loving outlook is as good as having one.
Once you've questioned it well and hard if it's truly a good reason to live for, then why not commit to it? And if it doesn't work, then changing it is possible too. All of it is subject to change through time and experience.
 
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There's making love my objective in life. Loving others, feeding the homeless, making stuff for them. Yet I don't know if I have the stamina or kindness in my soul, to do this
If you think about doing it, it's because you have that kindness in your soul.

Most humans are not worth and it's easy to fall into the narrative that no-one deserves a hand.

However, if you want to do it... Do it. There's a bunch of good people too that need a little hand.

For example, yesterday was a horrible day for me for some reasons. Someone here sang me a lullaby to sleep. That made me feel a little bit better, and that's important when you're that low.

Also, that said ...

You should try to keep on searching what do you want to do, but don't focus in if you're "good at it", focus in "if you feel good doing it".

I'm pretty sure you'll end up finding something.
 
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While I do think it's an admirable choice, I advise to choose a reason that resonates with you personally. That reason doesn't also have to be selfless or righteous; it could be as self-serving as you'd want it to be. Only you can accurately determine whether it's suitable to you. To me, I chose a reason/goal that spoke to me: I wanted to achieve greatness. Looking back, I chose that goal to be a counter to my deteriorating will to live.


Once you've questioned it well and hard if it's truly a good reason to live for, then why not commit to it? And if it doesn't work, then changing it is possible too. All of it is subject to change through time and experience.
Oh my goodness, I wish I could achieve greatness! But there's nothing I'm even good at to begin with. It's good advice to choose a reason that resonates with me personally, but it makes me afraid because if this path doesn't resonate with me, then I have nothing left. I am actually really glad you chose that path and it worked out for you. It would be my dream to pick that as a purpose, but I honestly believe we don't always get what we dream for. See, I don't want to take the time, I want to understand everything now, but I realize that's unreasonable and unrealistic.
 
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Sunü (素女)

Sunü (素女)

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Sep 30, 2023
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I am actually really glad you chose that path and it worked out for you.
It felt like I was forced to pick a choice, a purpose, because I couldn't tolerate the way that I lived and I was scared of suffering in the future. I was too fed-up of my lifestyle and fearful of the struggle once I lived alone, so I brought up an ultimatum to myself about to force myself to find a purpose or death. I, self-evidently, chose the former. I don't know if this is a healthy way to resolve your problem, but it is the one I chose. In my view, my situation just reeks of self-contempt to myself.

Also, I'm actually debating to myself if it worked well to me lol because I get depressed when I procrastinate on my goal.
It would be my dream to pick that as a purpose, but I honestly believe we don't always get what we dream for. See, I don't want to take the time, I want to understand everything now, but I realize that's unreasonable and unrealistic.
I think what you're saying here is a good concern too. I interpret as the problem: uncertainty about achievement. Since you don't want to waste time in what likely could be a failure. If that's the case, I could relate it back to my experience. Initially, it wouldn't matter that I'll fail or die midway. The pursuit itself was a good-enough cause to me. If I achieve it, good; if I don't, also good enough. It only mattered to me that I kept at it and continued to progress.

it makes me afraid because if this path doesn't resonate with me, then I have nothing left.
Though once you lose it, you'll just go back to this state. I don't think it'd be quite as catastrophic as the disbelief of God since you at least know it was made artificially. It might also be valuable to know how much you'll be able to stretch a single purpose to many other paths. Take for example my experience (again), I don't wholly believe in the "pursuit of greatness" purpose anymore because I've narrowed it to "greatness achieved by servicing others", then "servicing society", then "planning for the future of society". A bit of mental gymnastics involved, but nevertheless, I think purpose can change if you reason with how you'd actually do it i.e. method of how you'd enact on your purpose.

EDIT: The title thread reminded me of the song
 
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I need help, I need someone to tell me loving others is worth it, and why.
It is worth it: precisely for the greatest reason; because it is important to you. It is what you truly want: and this is valid enough to justify it.

I really want this to be my purpose in life, but I don't know if wanting a loving outlook is as good as having one.
You should try it. You'll find out if it's as good as having one, from adopting it.
When you desire something this intensely, you'll benefit yourself by trying it out. It may be worth a shot! I think you should consider giving it a spin and see how it goes. There's nothing to lose from it, but much to gain, I would say.

When I believed in God it was so much easier to dedicate my life to helping the poor, because I knew I wasn't alone and God was my biggest role-model to look up to for love. Yet, God is just a figment of my imagination and even He let me down, because there's no way He's as loving as I thought he was.

There's something even better than doing things for the sake of any God; because you genuinely love other people. You don't need to have a God to love others and help each other in the way you want to. God may not be as loving as you thought he was, but you can be more loving than God, quite easily. Considering the significant amounts of suffering God has not resolved; in comparison, you're better if you even help out others a little bit.

It looks like somewhere within you, you have a genuine love for people, and a caring sense that you are scared will amount to nothing. You should know, that there are intelligent polymaths in the world, who are genius mathemeticians, excellent writers, and insanely good artists: yet lack an honest love for humanity.

"Hitler dreamed of killing Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, … and so on, in industrial quantities.

It would have remained only a dream if architects and engineers as capable as my father and grandfather hadn't designed extermination camps — the fences, the towers, the barracks, the railroad sidings, and the gas chambers and crematoria — for maximum ease of operation and efficiency."

—Kurt Vonnegut, Speech at MIT (1985), Fates Worse Than Death (1991), Ch. 12

Let's come back to your original post, now.

As it turns out I lack ability in almost every area I went into, maths, writing, drawing, etc. It has broken my heart not to have any ability or passion. And that all I have seems to be Bipolar and Autism. I told myself I wouldn't live or stick around if my life turns out like this, with nothing to do. Yet, there's still something left. There's making love my objective in life.

But... the thing you want to do isn't maths, writing, or drawing—it's the desire to love humans and help them out. You don't need a PhD to do that ;)

Anyone who is able to get any kind of help to people, even something as simple as buying a meal or two for homeless people, is capable of bringing that love, that happiness, to people. The only math you need is to know how much that food is, enough reading to recognize the food label, and only enough drawing for a scrappy diagram of where the food needs to go.

Many people don't go into mathematics and writing and art because they genuinely love people; they love art primarily, for it's own sake, because they personally find beauty and accomplishment in it. That's not bad at all, but it's a simple truth that needs to be understood when thinking about why these people do what they do. Poets do not write solely for some grand desire to help people, that could be another reason they find along the way, but most poets write because they like writing poetry. And I am willing to bet that most mathematicians do math because they like it, and that most artists draw because they like drawing. ...You see a pattern here? Their passion is their craft, while your passion just might be wanting to help people. And bringing love and real help to people, can easily be an art as valuable as painting.

To a homeless person, a meal that is brought to them, and the peace they find in that; is far more important to them than any profound book or beautiful painting. And that help that is brought to them—and the motivation of the person that is helping them—is meaningful, and is beautiful in it's own right. I say, it is wrong to say that helping people is less meaningful than complex art by authors and painters.

But there's nothing I'm even good at to begin with. It's good advice to choose a reason that resonates with me personally, but it makes me afraid because if this path doesn't resonate with me, then I have nothing left. I am actually really glad you chose that path and it worked out for you. It would be my dream to pick that as a purpose, but I honestly believe we don't always get what we dream for. See, I don't want to take the time, I want to understand everything now, but I realize that's unreasonable and unrealistic.
There are many things that do not require high-tier skill; just a little practice to get the hang of it enough to be able to get it done.

The desire to understand everything yet feeling strapped for time, is something I've felt as well. In the end, we can't know everything. This is discouraging; but maybe what we're able to know might provide us something beneficial, something that's enough to give us some peace and understanding of what we want, and how we may have it.

There is a saying in Latin. Scientia potentia est: "Knowledge is power."

But there is another saying in Latin as well.

Omne vincit amor; "Love conquers all."

...

As an autistic person, you might have felt at certain points in your life that you really care about certain things, but the world doesn't care, and the world's apathetic towards it, so it must be worthless, so your fascination must be trash anyway. But that's not true, because other people turning a blind eye to something or ignoring it does not make it worthless. By this logic, homeless people are worthless, but they aren't; they're people too, and it's good to give them love. A justification for this may be "because they are human they deserve love", which reminds me of the philosophical view of Humanism, the idea that everyone is inherently good and that people only become bad because they suffer and have some of their needs deprived. If you wish to read more about this, out of curiosity, here are some wiki articles so you don't have to google them. "Humanism", RationalWiki | "Humanism", Wikipedia (rationalwiki article is shorter and clearer, but the wikipedia article has more info.)

You care about love. And you really want to dedicate yourself towards this. This is something you want, and because you want it, it is valid enough for you to choose as the driving force for your own life. You wanting to do something, is good enough justification for it. Imagine you walk into a bakery shop, and you say "I want this piece of cake.". And the clerk asks "Well, why do you want it?". You might just say "Because I want it! I want that cake! Take my money!". And yes, there are deeper reasons for you wanting that cake, maybe it looks nice, maybe you're hungry; but those aren't needed to make your desire to buy that cake justified. You want it, and that's enough to justify buying it. And that clerk is in the wrong to ask why anyway, because you demonstrating you want to buy it is a clear expression of your will. This example is just to demonstrate that us wanting to have things is oftentimes more than enough to justify having something. One of the reasons why someone wanting something is not enough to justify it, is if it hurts someone. But spreading love helps people, and makes their lives better.

So it helps you, by allowing you to do what you truly want to do, and helps them too, by giving them joy and assistance when they need it. It's a win-win, it can be alright.

I feel you have something you want, something that is not only a good reason to live but an excellent one, and that you should allow yourself to hear this calling within you, and understand you don't need a PhD to fulfill this simple will within you.

I apologize if I misunderstood anything in this post, or if I said anything wrong. I am prone to misunderstanding you here, because unfortunately I can only really view things from my own viewpoint. Feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong about you or the reasons behind your feelings; there are certain things I don't know and can easily misunderstand. I also just wrote this all in one go, so if it seems scattered or overloaded, maybe that's why.

Wishing you all the best. I think you truly can become someone special, that people will remember like nobody else, and in a good way, I mean

I hope you're able to achieve satisfaction of what you truly want to do :)
 
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It is worth it: precisely for the greatest reason; because it is important to you. It is what you truly want: and this is valid enough to justify it.


You should try it. You'll find out if it's as good as having one, from adopting it.
When you desire something this intensely, you'll benefit yourself by trying it out. It may be worth a shot! I think you should consider giving it a spin and see how it goes. There's nothing to lose from it, but much to gain, I would say.



There's something even better than doing things for the sake of any God; because you genuinely love other people. You don't need to have a God to love others and help each other in the way you want to. God may not be as loving as you thought he was, but you can be more loving than God, quite easily. Considering the significant amounts of suffering God has not resolved; in comparison, you're better if you even help out others a little bit.

It looks like somewhere within you, you have a genuine love for people, and a caring sense that you are scared will amount to nothing. You should know, that there are intelligent polymaths in the world, who are genius mathemeticians, excellent writers, and insanely good artists: yet lack an honest love for humanity.



Let's come back to your original post, now.



But... the thing you want to do isn't maths, writing, or drawing—it's the desire to love humans and help them out. You don't need a PhD to do that ;)

Anyone who is able to get any kind of help to people, even something as simple as buying a meal or two for homeless people, is capable of bringing that love, that happiness, to people. The only math you need is to know how much that food is, enough reading to recognize the food label, and only enough drawing for a scrappy diagram of where the food needs to go.

Many people don't go into mathematics and writing and art because they genuinely love people; they love art primarily, for it's own sake, because they personally find beauty and accomplishment in it. That's not bad at all, but it's a simple truth that needs to be understood when thinking about why these people do what they do. Poets do not write solely for some grand desire to help people, that could be another reason they find along the way, but most poets write because they like writing poetry. And I am willing to bet that most mathematicians do math because they like it, and that most artists draw because they like drawing. ...You see a pattern here? Their passion is their craft, while your passion just might be wanting to help people. And bringing love and real help to people, can easily be an art as valuable as painting.

To a homeless person, a meal that is brought to them, and the peace they find in that; is far more important to them than any profound book or beautiful painting. And that help that is brought to them—and the motivation of the person that is helping them—is meaningful, and is beautiful in it's own right. I say, it is wrong to say that helping people is less meaningful than complex art by authors and painters.


There are many things that do not require high-tier skill; just a little practice to get the hang of it enough to be able to get it done.

The desire to understand everything yet feeling strapped for time, is something I've felt as well. In the end, we can't know everything. This is discouraging; but maybe what we're able to know might provide us something beneficial, something that's enough to give us some peace and understanding of what we want, and how we may have it.

There is a saying in Latin. Scientia potentia est: "Knowledge is power."

But there is another saying in Latin as well.

Omne vincit amor; "Love conquers all."

...

As an autistic person, you might have felt at certain points in your life that you really care about certain things, but the world doesn't care, and the world's apathetic towards it, so it must be worthless, so your fascination must be trash anyway. But that's not true, because other people turning a blind eye to something or ignoring it does not make it worthless. By this logic, homeless people are worthless, but they aren't; they're people too, and it's good to give them love. A justification for this may be "because they are human they deserve love", which reminds me of the philosophical view of Humanism, the idea that everyone is inherently good and that people only become bad because they suffer and have some of their needs deprived. If you wish to read more about this, out of curiosity, here are some wiki articles so you don't have to google them. "Humanism", RationalWiki | "Humanism", Wikipedia (rationalwiki article is shorter and clearer, but the wikipedia article has more info.)

You care about love. And you really want to dedicate yourself towards this. This is something you want, and because you want it, it is valid enough for you to choose as the driving force for your own life. You wanting to do something, is good enough justification for it. Imagine you walk into a bakery shop, and you say "I want this piece of cake.". And the clerk asks "Well, why do you want it?". You might just say "Because I want it! I want that cake! Take my money!". And yes, there are deeper reasons for you wanting that cake, maybe it looks nice, maybe you're hungry; but those aren't needed to make your desire to buy that cake justified. You want it, and that's enough to justify buying it. And that clerk is in the wrong to ask why anyway, because you demonstrating you want to buy it is a clear expression of your will. This example is just to demonstrate that us wanting to have things is oftentimes more than enough to justify having something. One of the reasons why someone wanting something is not enough to justify it, is if it hurts someone. But spreading love helps people, and makes their lives better.

So it helps you, by allowing you to do what you truly want to do, and helps them too, by giving them joy and assistance when they need it. It's a win-win, it can be alright.

I feel you have something you want, something that is not only a good reason to live but an excellent one, and that you should allow yourself to hear this calling within you, and understand you don't need a PhD to fulfill this simple will within you.

I apologize if I misunderstood anything in this post, or if I said anything wrong. I am prone to misunderstanding you here, because unfortunately I can only really view things from my own viewpoint. Feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong about you or the reasons behind your feelings; there are certain things I don't know and can easily misunderstand. I also just wrote this all in one go, so if it seems scattered or overloaded, maybe that's why.

Wishing you all the best. I think you truly can become someone special, that people will remember like nobody else, and in a good way, I mean

I hope you're able to achieve satisfaction of what you truly want to do :)

I appreciate you. You took the time to write to me and you gave me good advice. Thank you for this, I appreciate it. :)
 

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