Discussion Jumping

[human909]

So I have posted something similar to this a couple days ago but I am gonna get into a bit of some details here that im wondering about.

So i unfortunately live in a normal house but what I could do is head to skyscraper and stay at a hotel in one of the tall buildings. I will be doing it at night though so I don't traumatize anyone. I've got a couple of questions that I would like to share with you.

1) do you think the roof would be accessible to visitors or no?

2) is jumping one of the easiest way to ctb or is there another?

Thanks for everyone who helped.

 

[Bruce]

Hello @human909. I hope you're having a decent day.

1. You don't need access to the roof, you only need access high enough.

2. Easy how? From a physical point of view it's easy to jump and I imagine it's quite fatal if you're doing it from high enough and land on a hard surface but from a psychological point of view it's subjective.

I hope this is useful.

 

[Jadeith]

Ad.1 Roofs of tall buildings are usually off limits. at least in my area.

Ad.2 There are other "easy" methods - train, truck, blade and hot bath, rope etc.

Personally, I'm not so fond of jumping. First, my area lacks easily accessible structures tall enough to be sure. Second, I feel sorry for anyone who'd have to witness and clean up the splatter.

 

[ma0]

The only way to find out whether the roof is accessible is to go check, easy as that. Like @Blue Elephant said though, you only really need to be as high up as where death is likely, so you don't really need the roof.

While I do personally believe jumping is one of the most easily accessible CTB methods, there are a few things you need to make sure of. Most importantly, make sure you land at the correct angle and that the surface is hard enough. If even one thing goes wrong, you'll probably be permanantly disabled.

 

[crocune]

It's incredibly hard to actually jump. Your fear of death will prevent you from leaping off. That's why people opt for SN because it's easier to drink a foul liquid.

 

[TheHolySword]

Easy is subjective. Jumping is generally considered one of the harder SI induced methods, but physically it's pretty easy to fall from something. No one should go into any method thinking that it's going to be easy. There are numerous variables to every method and SI will be difficult to overcome for just about everyone and every method.

 

[SVEN]

In the UK, multi storey Hotels and similar buildings will generally have no insecure roof access to the general public, for reasons of both safety and security.
Similarly, exterior windows on stairways or in rooms are usually fixed and non opening, any outside ventilation being accessed by small panels if at all.
Sorry, I don't know what country you are in. Building Regs and practises may vary where you are.
Also, bear in mind that you may inadvertently cause death or injury to any pedestrian below who ambles into your trajectory after you jump, if that concerns you,

 

[Young]

Jumping is a gamble honestly. It will likely work, but you really don't want it to fail, because you'll almost garanteed sustain nasty injuries.

 

[Corvette90]

Dear : human909

I thought very hard about this method a while ago. I just didn't have the bottle. I'm sincerely sorry your life has come to this point where jumping is your hope of a way out. If jumping was my only option I would probably head towards a cliff near a beautiful beach. One that has a high success rate. I honestly am not sure about a hotel. The last hotel I stayed in I don't think the windows opened wide enough to get through.

From : lost all hope. com
The most important factor in suicide by jumping is height . Stone2 states that jumping from 150 feet (46 metres) or higher on land, and 250 feet (76 metres) or more on water, is 95% to 98% fatal. 150 feet/46 metres, equates to roughly 10 to 15 stories in a building, depending on the height of one story. 250 feet is the height of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco."There is one essential point to be made when considering jumping as a method of suicide – jump from too low, and there is significant risk of non-fatal injuries. Stone2 presents worrying statistics from a number of studies showing a high percentage of people jumping from four stories or less. Of those, a high percentage survive, invariably with fractures to spine, pelvis or major bone. Landing on the head can cause brain damage. Even jumping from seven stories can have a decent survival rate."

My humble opinion on balance jumping isn't a terrible method (and i often consider it myself) based on success rate 95%-98% (if from a decent height and landing on hard a surface). it's obviously going to be gruesome for the person who sees / finds you. I am not pro life or pro ctb. I'm pro ctb for myself but I am not by any means encouraging you to jump and end your life. I don't know your situation or pain you are in. I wish you all the best whether you change your mind and get support or whether you do go ahead. I wish you no more suffering.

 

[Bruce]

@human909 I see some users mention that windows are locked but if they are not barred the actual glass can be broken.

@Corvette90 What? There is a chance for survival after jumping from 46 meters and landing on land? Further more there is a chance of survival after falling on your head!? Hmm .. Some people must have really hard heads. Anyway, you make really good points. Thank you!

 

[human909]

see some users mention that windows are locked but if they are not barred the actual glass can be

Okay thanks.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

So I have posted something similar to this a couple days ago but I am gonna get into a bit of some details here that im wondering about.

So i unfortunately live in a normal house but what I could do is head to skyscraper and stay at a hotel in one of the tall buildings. I will be doing it at night though so I don't traumatize anyone. I've got a couple of questions that I would like to share with you.

1) do you think the roof would be accessible to visitors or no?

I've worked in a number of skyscrapers and stayed in a few highrise hotels. Everything is locked with keycards except for limited public spaces, so it's very hard to get around inside those buildings. I never saw windows that could be opened.

It is sometimes possible to access the roof, or a platform partway up the skyscraper. I stayed at one hotel that had a rooftop pool guests could access, but it wasn't tall enough to CTB. I worked in two office buildings where I could access a rooftop patio with my keycard and they were high enough to CTB, but only tenants had access.

The only place I ever saw public access to a jumping spot was at a hotel, they had an outdoor dining area on a high floor. There were quite a few people there and it would certainly traumatize them to see someone jump. It's also possible someone would try to intervene.

2) is jumping one of the easiest way to ctb or is there another?

Jumping is a pretty difficult way to CTB unless you don't have any fear of heights and you happen to live near a suitable location that's high enough and accessible. Governments have been installing suicide barriers at all the popular locations in recent years. It's also very difficult to overcome SI to make the leap.

What? There is a chance for survival after jumping from 46 meters and landing on land? Further more there is a chance of survival after falling on your head!? Hmm .. Some people must have really hard heads. Anyway, you make really good points. Thank you!

Here's a case of someone surviving a fall from 300 feet (91 meters) onto solid rock:

Survival following a vertical free fall from 300 feet: The crucial role of body position to impact surface - PMC

We report the case of a 28-year old rock climber who survived an "unsurvivable" injury consisting of a vertical free fall from 300 feet onto a solid rock surface. The trauma mechanism and injury kinetics are analyzed, with a particular focus on the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[last_wink]

-roof are usually not accessible to public (suicide is often the reason why and many spots do have security nest etc). if a window can be opened, ok good. Above a certain height, it's lethal with certainty. Above 40 meters is often recommended to be sure, especially because no matter how you fall even legs first; but even before that chance of survival are very thin. It's one of the most fast and lethal method.

-your second question is the most important part actually. Easy? It seems so, just jump, 3-4 seconds later everything's done. But in fact it's not easy at all. As some other members stated it, SI is very hard to overcome with jumping. I guess that's why this is one rare method used statistically. Usually it's about few percent as a chosen method for both male and woman. there are exceptions, it's almost the half in honk kong but because it's all about skyscrapers there. There are also some countries where the statistics goes to 10% or a bit more, but generally it is a rare method. I did try, several times, to jump and it's not easy at all, believe me. The first attempt will tell you, because the more you try, the hardest so if you don't succeed to jump, you can give it up. So that's not easy, and ideally you should jump head first or at least in a way the head will land first (which is quite unpredictible and impossible to master).

-I won't advise you any methods. First because we can't do that. Secondly because it depends on people; what is true for someone (or easy) won't be for someone else.
What i can say is hanging (full suspension) is the most used method in almost any countries. It represents about half of the suicides for both men and women; sometimes even more.

SN is very popular here, i won't debate about that, i just think that poisonning is not as easy as many people here think it is. from a statistic point of view from the whole world, hanging full suspension is the most used method. If you inform yourself a bit, you'll realise it is quick, not so painful as you loose consciousness within seconds and no turning back if done properly..
But once again, it depends on you, what methods you can access in your own country, what do you mean finally by "easy", easy to set it up? easy as "painless"? easy to execute? easy to overcome SI?etc... Easy what??? All of this is damn subjective and differ from a person to another.

 

[Forveleth]

Ad.2 There are other "easy" methods - train, truck, blade and hot bath, rope etc.

Blade and hot bath does NOT work outside of TV.

EDIT: Also I agree with what is said here. Hotels are usually kept locked down pretty tight because they know people are going to try to jump (unless you are in Vegas). Jumping is simple but it is far from easy.

 

[human909]

Do you know what hight is fatal tho? Thanks

 

[last_wink]

Do you know what hight is fatal tho? Thanks

usually after 20-25 meters (65-80ft) (7th, 8th floor) it becomes very lethal, especially if the head touch first. But legs first you can survive this fall, and be damaged. I found statistics a while back, i will try to give it just by memory, approximatively.

-15-20m / 50-65ft => 50% chance
-25m / 80ft => 75% lethal
-30m / 100ft => 90% lethal
-40m / 130ft and above => 99% lethal

Something like this if i remember well (landing on concrete). But note that i've seen a comment from an emergency doctor which say that after the 6/7th floor (so above 20m-65ft) it's a definitive bye bye, in most cases. So please understand that after 20-25m / 65-80ft it is very lethal.

We can still find examples of people falling crazy heights and survive but those are exceptions, the 1%... that's why even for bigger heights than that you will see 99,99%.. No height is abolute and certain. First it's important to land on concrete, secondly, ideally the head should hit first or very violently. But yeah above 30 or even 40 meters chance to survive becomes very thin, no matter how you fall, even legs first; because you arrive so fast that your head will most likely hit violently even if your legs did absorbed some of the impact.

 

[idelttoilfsadness21]

The only way to find out whether the roof is accessible is to go check, easy as that. Like @Blue Elephant said though, you only really need to be as high up as where death is likely, so you don't really need the roof.

While I do personally believe jumping is one of the most easily accessible CTB methods, there are a few things you need to make sure of. Most importantly, make sure you land at the correct angle and that the surface is hard enough. If even one thing goes wrong, you'll probably be permanantly disabled.

what if you turn your back to land on your skull too?

 

[ma0]

what if you turn your back to land on your skull too?

Yeah I'm pretty sure that would work.

 

[idelttoilfsadness21]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that would work.

I hope to find this if I have access

 

[Jadeith]

Here's a case of someone surviving a fall from 300 feet (91 meters) onto solid rock:

Fun fact - there was a skydiver who dropped from 14000 feet and lived to tell the tale

Emma Carey: The skydiver who survived a 14,000-foot fall

In 2013, Emma Carey went skydiving for the first time and experienced an absolute nightmare. This is why she refuses to let the accident define her.

www.espn.com

But this lady takes the cake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulović

Blade and hot bath does NOT work outside of TV.

Tell that to Seneca ;-)
But, truth be told, it's darn difficult to actually perform and with high risk of being saved, hence quote marks around "easy".