Joined without VPN then using VPN - browsing data

[Yaffle]

I'm in the UK and had to join without using my VPN.

As my ISP now have a record of me being here would they also have a record of my username or just that I've been on this site?

Indeed, anyone know if in the UK a death is clearly suicide would the police even access browsing records from one's ISP? There'll be nothing on my devices, laptop SSD will be destroyed, iPad wiped and iPhone will be turned off and no one knows my 6 digit passcode so it'll wipe after 10 attempts.

All my posts and interactions since registering have been using VPN.

I tried TOR but the method Megathreads won't load although most of the forum does. It's also so dreadfully slow.

 

[Darkover]

it doesn't matter if your phone as a pin the police can still obtained full copies of their phones, including their call logs, the contents of texts and emails, internet search history, and GPS data.

your isp will only know you've visted this site they won't know your username since everything is encrypted using Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure (HTTPS)

but the police can get full access to phone records and emails to gather information about you and what sites you've signed up too

 

[Departme]

I'm in UK I wouldn't worry, whats wrong to browse a site that is pro-choice? You are free do as you wish if its legal and I don't know of any law thats says you cant feel suicidal or want to explore views of others who feel the same. Those that got welfare checks for SN is because its prohibited for us now but no crime was committed and it was based of evidence from the vendor not searching people's browsing history or activity, my IP is for a junction box a mile away as its a shared connection with thousands of others.

If you were to ctb then yes the police may want to look at your devices and browsing history for details, tgis is understandable given every death needs to be explained but general views of the site are of no interest to them, otherwise they would have millions of people to visit who broke no law. Its not going to happen.

I've not noticed any difference to the site since the changes came in, unless i'm missing something there?

 

[Yaffle]

Rh

it doesn't matter if your phone as a pin the police can still obtained full copies of their phones, including their call logs, the contents of texts and emails, internet search history, and GPS data.

your isp will only know you've visted this site they won't know your username since everything is encrypted using Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure (HTTPS)

but the police can get full access to phone records and emails to gather information about you and what sites you've signed up too

I'm not bothered about call logs, GPS and texts.

All my emails I wouldn't want reading are Protonmail or Tutanota but I have several email addresses nobody in my circle even knows. I'm here on Protonmail.

My regular email is boring vanilla stuff.

My will states my phone contract is to be terminated rather than transferred to anyone, likewise I don't leave any email login details behind. No chance of anyone recovering my WhatsApp or Telegram as they're password/2fa whatever too, not that there's anything remotely bad on them either.

I've always been one for privacy and just want to continue that as much as possible even after I've gone.

I'll leave a clear note when I go and method will be enough to convince first responders it's suicide.

Mainly I'm protecting my various notes on the phone. I can't delete them in case SI fails an attempt. I suppose I could backup to a Dropbox linked to protonmail.

I've even switched my iCloud backup to my Protonmail address.

I'm in UK I wouldn't worry, whats wrong to browse a site that is pro-choice? You are free do as you wish if its legal and I don't know of any law thats says you cant feel suicidal or want to explore views of others who feel the same. Those that got welfare checks for SN is because its prohibited for us now but no crime was committed and it was based of evidence from the vendor not searching people's browsing history or activity, my IP is for a junction box a mile away as its a shared connection with thousands of others.

If you were to ctb then yes the police may want to look at your devices and browsing history for details, tgis is understandable given every death needs to be explained but general views of the site are of no interest to them, otherwise they would have millions of people to visit who broke no law. Its not going to happen.

I've not noticed any difference to the site since the changes came in, unless i'm missing something there?

I don't search anything illegal. Just, as I said above, intensely private that's all.

I've only been here a few days so don't know what might have changed.

 

[Ironweed]

I've only been here a few days so don't know what might have changed.

Something to do with this, I would guess:

Suicide forum blocked to most UK users after Ofcom pressure

Suicide forum blocked to most UK users after Ofcom pressure - BBC News | Ghostarchive

ghostarchive.org

I'm an Amerifat, so my understanding of Blighty's fascist tendencies is probably not the best, but that's what you're looking at.

I think Proton has a free VPN that'll show your IP code as being from the USA and/or maybe the Netherlands if you get that message. (My internet is so awful a VPN slows it down too much, so I don't use one.) Worth looking into, and it is free.

 

[Yaffle]

Yes, I'd seen the notices, just hadn't noticed anything real world myself.

I usually use paid SurfShark VPN but it wouldn't connect. In the end I turned CleanWeb off and it was fine. As SS recommend using Clean Web I've actually been using the free ProtonMail VPN that comes with email and it's perfect for this forum.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I don't know about the UK but in the USA I'm pretty sure they do a thorough investigation of internet activity and devices (if they can obtain them).

I guess for me I've tried to let go of any attachment to privacy or else I'd never be able to go. If you live in the UK, inquests are very much a public thing.

 

[Meditation guide]

I'm not sure police in most USA towns and cities would bother with a check of anything unless there was suspicion of foul play. They are busy with more important crimes than the run of the mill suicide. My friend's wife died of unknown causes and they didn't check on anything.

 

[stoiccactus]

I'm not sure police in most USA towns and cities would bother with a check of anything unless there was suspicion of foul play. They are busy with more important crimes than the run of the mill suicide. My friend's wife died of unknown causes and they didn't check on anything.

Yeah I agree with this - the cops here don't investigate things much more serious and especially have a rudimentary understanding of online speech.

 

[Meditation guide]

Sex trafficking, drug busts, shootings, car jackings, and murders are what they are interested in. Suicides and welfare checks usually are ignored. In small sleepy towns where they have nothing to do they might take an interest in welfare checks.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

I've gone beyond caring anymore about these fascists in the dystopian UK.
I'm in the UK and just use TOR.
They can spy on me all they want, I couldn't give 2 fucks about it.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Yeah I agree with this - the cops here don't investigate things much more serious and especially have a rudimentary understanding of online speech.

It's just that there was an ex-cop here who said they do:

A law enforcement suicide investigation would include social media and ISP records as standard investigation protocols. Their job is to determine if the person really committed suicide or if they were forced or coerced to do so by another person. I am just talking in the USA here, but the Patriot Act has made it so easy to get these records, the police don't need to do very much. After I left law enforcement, I worked in the Security department of a very large ISP provider covering multiple states. I had 40 employees who worked full time in the court order group to process all of the subpoenas. There are some good suggestions in this thread to protect your information, but those suggesting that they would not care to look are quite wrong in the USA. The police simply put the request into an on-line tool and the courts automatically approve for suicide investigations.

 

[bagot77]

I think they would try to look at phone and laptop devices, if there was an inquest. It would need the coroner to request it. But I've never heard them request anything from ISPs.

 

[The Schizoid]

I'd highly suggest not giving away any identifiable information about yourself on here.

 

[Meditation guide]

Maybe it depends on the location and the particular police department and level of suspicion.

 

[Meditation guide]

I think they would try to look at phone and laptop devices, if there was an inquest. It would need the coroner to request it. But I've never heard them request anything from ISPs.

If they suspect it's a murder I'm sure they would request records from ISPs.

 

[stoiccactus]

Yeah, I think which country you are in makes a big difference but in the US, it can take quite a lot of resources for the cops to get records back from your ISP or a VPN, sometimes even years. They're not going to go out of the way to do all that subpeona work unless they have a serious case or an axe to grind with someone. In most cases, I don't think they're gonna go fishing for people on suicide forums but who knows, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[Yaffle]

Deleted post, replied to wrong thread - sorry

 

[alexx_m]

I'm in the UK and had to join without using my VPN.

As my ISP now have a record of me being here would they also have a record of my username or just that I've been on this site?

Indeed, anyone know if in the UK a death is clearly suicide would the police even access browsing records from one's ISP? There'll be nothing on my devices, laptop SSD will be destroyed, iPad wiped and iPhone will be turned off and no one knows my 6 digit passcode so it'll wipe after 10 attempts.

All my posts and interactions since registering have been using VPN.

I tried TOR but the method Megathreads won't load although most of the forum does. It's also so dreadfully slow.

I can tell you from first hand experience that in the UK they would do a thorough search of your devices after death, including ISP during their investigation. They are looking for several things: if mental health professionals failed you, if there was any abuse or blackmail, history of suicidal issues and sources for whatever was used (depending on the method used).