Discussion It's not the fear of death, but of failure.

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

I'm not scared to die. Sure that primitive Survival Instinct exists in us all, but past that... in my heart, my mind, and my soul I am not scared to die... ive been ready for a while now...

over the course of 2 years I lost my entire family, and become poisoned by toxic drugs that were supposed to help me. I live everyday in the withdrawal of these horrible drugs while trying to deal with my grief, completely alone in a big house that was built for a family.

what I am truly scared of at this point is surviving the attempt and the brain damage, legal issues, and possibly having my life given over to state and being held against my will. I am not ever going to fool myself into thinking I could Jump, Hang, or shoot myself... all the other options left pose a serious risk of failure.. even jumping , shooting, and hanging arent sure bets...

I really want to just go the way that always works, the one that is peaceful, the one that costs a lot of money, and the one that no one can guarantee will be delivered, I'm also worried of what might happen if it did get delivered and the authorities got involved. I guess for me life is pain, and I just want death to be peaceful, I would hate to leave this world in a state of total panic and fear by hanging or SN. I dont buy that SN is in anyway peacefull. It's used to kill wild pigs. Just because someone is non responsive does not mean they are not suffering severely. SN does not knock you out by going into a gentle sleep...

 

[SinisterKid]

I am pleased you do not fear dying. Fear of survival, with injuries is common. But to slate a method that is chosen by many without backing up any of your claims is uncalled for. Why do you think its used to kill feral pigs? Because its a humane way to do so. Can you imagine the uproar from the Animal Rights Activists if it were to cause unnecessary suffering to the poor creatures?

I think you need to read how and why SN does what it does, so you understand why its becoming so popular as a method of exit. Then come back and add some evidence to what you just wrote. If you can do that, I am happy to hold my hands up, say I was wrong and apologise.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

I am pleased you do not fear dying. Fear of survival, with injuries is common. But to slate a method that is chosen by many without backing up any of your claims is uncalled for. Why do you think its used to kill feral pigs? Because its a humane way to do so. Can you imagine the uproar from the Animal Rights Activists if it were to cause unnecessary suffering to the poor creatures?

I think you need to read how and why SN does what it does, so you understand why its becoming so popular as a method of exit. Then come back and add some evidence to what you just wrote. If you can do that, I am happy to hold my hands up, say I was wrong and apologise.

I did not say anything other than my opinion on how I feel about the issue of SN for myself based on what I have read on this site. rapid heart beating, stomach pains, headaches, and seizures do not sound like a peaceful exit to me.

Rat poison will kill you too, and the animal rights people haven't done anything about that. And that is a nasty death. Not only does it kill rabbits, cats, and dogs but it kills any bird or scavenger animal that eats the dead rat.

there is no way of knowing how much you need, no way to know if the anti vomiting drugs will work, there is really no solid information on this at all , a few reports of failure and a few reports of success. even the go to "book" for this method has changed the dose several times. it seems to much will make you throw up regardless of antiemtics and to little will just land you in the ER.

I fully understand how it works and its method of action, but I also understand how it fails. Everyone is going to react differently.

I do not require an apology as I am not trying to prove you wrong, but I am not foolish enough to think I have all the answers. maybe for some it can be peaceful but there are others that describe horrible pain... even people on this site.

Sole survivor sheds light on suicide pact - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

This guy was awake for an hour after ingestion "On the second day of admission, the patient was extubated. He then recalled intentionally ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before ambulance call. " https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2016/9013816/

 

[Asta]

APharma: Have you considered this? https://pegasos-association.com - It's expensive, but it's totally safe, peaceful and successful. My Exit friend had this to say:
"In the last update of the E-PPHbook there is a chapter on Pegasos. At the end, Dr Nitscke says that he has set up a "service" to accompany members to Basel."
They also have a way to help those who can't afford the cost.

P.S. This is from their site: "Pegasos believes that it is the human right of every rational adult of sound mind, regardless of state of health, to choose the manner and timing of their death."

 

[bukowski]

Read down to about the middle of this article , I am guessing as it was a 3 person suicide pact they all took the same dose.

This is a quote "Ah You, who could not stand the pain, called emergency medical services. He survived while the other two died."

Sole survivor sheds light on suicide pact - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

The article you link to mentions sodium nitrate not nitrite.

 

[Stan]

Should I say something? Naaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

The article you link to mentions sodium nitrate not nitrite.

From the article "They initially decided to commit suicide by jumping off a building but they failed to find the stairway to the top. Then Li took the sodium nitrite from home, which his parents used to preserve pork." http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/530790.shtml

 

[Asta]

Such restraint, Stan!

 

[Foster13]

I agree. No one on this forum or anywhere else knows for sure how peaceful is SN. It's all speculations. I also agree that just simply knocking one out doesn't mean it's peaceful. We don't know how a person feels after seemingly "knocked out" or "unconscious".

 

[AnxiouslyDepressed]

I agree. No one on this forum or anywhere else knows for sure how peaceful is SN. It's all speculations. I also agree that just simply knocking one out doesn't mean it's peaceful. We don't know how a person feels after seemingly "knocked out" or "unconscious".

Have you ever been unconscious before?

 

[Stan]

Looking at your OP, I am wondering what success would look like for you as an answer. Are you looking for a 100% guaranteed exit with no pain or illegality attached to it? I have just looked at your historical posts to see after 20 days of being a member here that you have not at least whittled down your choice. In fact, your posts show to pointing out flaws in a number of them in other posts. Either you are actually concerned about death - or primarily how one could self inflict it. The act of taking ones own life inherently means damage to the system regardless of method. When one settles on a method, there are probably a number of factors that led them to choosing it. Peacefulness, reliability and access to the tools needed.

But I will say, since SN is off your list because of the variables you mentioned. Then perhaps you should take it off your things to research and focus on the ones that are more appealing. Give yourself permission not to even look at it and waste your time.

You have not mentioned inert gas. Now that is a good method.

 

[Asta]

Foster13 - Unconscious from a choke-hold. So fast, so peaceful! Had a friend try it on me, scared her to death when I passed out after 3 seconds. Someone needs to invent a robot to do it. For some reason, people don't want to - just because they'll go to jail? Seriously, it was fantastic!

 

[bukowski]

From the article "They initially decided to commit suicide by jumping off a building but they failed to find the stairway to the top. Then Li took the sodium nitrite from home, which his parents used to preserve pork." http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/530790.shtml

"Late on the night of May 4, they met in a park as planned and swallowed the nitrate, a food additive used as a color fixative and preservative in meats and fish but when used in excessive doses or long-term."

If you can't trust Chinese news (err, propoganda) who can you trust?

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

"Late on the night of May 4, they met in a park as planned and swallowed the nitrate, a food additive used as a color fixative and preservative in meats and fish but when used in excessive doses or long-term."

If you can't trust Chinese news (err, propoganda) who can you trust?

everything is propaganda, this site, the pphb, the evening news. regardless it mentions both nitrate and nitrite. whether they took nitrite or nitrate I think the point is, 2 of them died and 1 of then suffered severe pain from the same substance. that's the real issue here. With people who are serious about " opting out" but dont want to suffer there seems to be only 1 substance with literally thousands of documented peaceful deaths, and SN is not that substance.

 

[Stan]

everything is propaganda, this site, the pphb, the evening news. regardless it mentions both nitrate and nitrite. whether they took nitrite or nitrate I think the point is, 2 of them died and 1 of then suffered severe pain from the same substance. that's the real issue here. With people who are serious about " opting out" but dont want to suffer there seems to be only 1 substance with literally thousands of documented peaceful deaths, and SN is not that substance.

Now you have really peaked my interest. So if this site is propaganda as you mentioned above. Why did you sign up? We have SN attempt survivor stories here, did not mention severe pain. They were either caught and interrupted or called the ambulance themselves because of SI.

Can I ask what you aim to achieve with this line of posts? I have my ideas but hoping you can clarify as we seem to have gone way off your OP.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

What about the other link I provided ? what about this members post describing heart and stomach pain and being awake for 20 minutes? https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-painful-is-a-sodium-nitrite-overdose.206/post-335083.

Now you have really peaked my interest. So if this site is propaganda as you mentioned above. Why did you sign up? We have SN attempt survivor stories here, did not mention severe pain. They were either caught and interrupted or called the ambulance themselves because of SI.

Can I ask what you aim to achieve with this line of posts? I have my ideas but hoping you can clarify as we seem to have gone way off your OP.

My point is there are is much misinformation , a women here describes severe pain. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-painful-is-a-sodium-nitrite-overdose.206/
I think it's not very responsible to promote a way out and tell people its peaceful when it could be far from that. This site is full of propaganda proof of that is all the obvious alternate accounts and conflicting information.

I was not trying to go off topic at all. I simply mentioned my personal feelings and reluctance to this idea, and boom I got attacked. There was no compassion, no explanation, I'm just being told my feelings are wrong, and that what I would worry about happening using SN simply cant happen.. telling people they will be out in 12 minutes and it does not hurt is not the right thing to do purely from a humanitarian perspective. There are plenty of people who did not pass out in 12 minutes. furthermore this is largely undocumented and as I said the PPHB has even changed the suggested dose... making it sound like a peaceful death could lead someone to try it, and end up not dying but suffering , or not passing out in the magical 12 minute promise and then panicking and calling 911. Then that leads to a whole new set of problems for that person.

Also I would like to add, that I signed up for this site thinking I would find some compassion and maybe some resources, how was I to know what the contents of this site was until I signed up. sure lots of good info here... but lots of toxicity and people with multiple accounts and information that may or may not be correct. No it's not all propaganda, but you cant keep people from spreading it... I was simply voicing a concern.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

Should I say something? Naaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Yes, please do, if you can talk to me like a human being and not be toxic with me. Is it wrong of me to voice a concern regarding a method that is being wide spread on this site, when we really do not have all the information on it? That is all I was doing.

Looking at your OP, I am wondering what success would look like for you as an answer. Are you looking for a 100% guaranteed exit with no pain or illegality attached to it? I have just looked at your historical posts to see after 20 days of being a member here that you have not at least whittled down your choice. In fact, your posts show to pointing out flaws in a number of them in other posts. Either you are actually concerned about death - or primarily how one could self inflict it. The act of taking ones own life inherently means damage to the system regardless of method. When one settles on a method, there are probably a number of factors that led them to choosing it. Peacefulness, reliability and access to the tools needed.

But I will say, since SN is off your list because of the variables you mentioned. Then perhaps you should take it off your things to research and focus on the ones that are more appealing. Give yourself permission not to even look at it and waste your time.

You have not mentioned inert gas. Now that is a good method.

My Choice would be a veterinary product you can get in mexico. my other choice would be helium, but I can not get it in its pure form. What I really do not want to see is someone severely disabled or hurt because of misinformation. I know I should not worry about other people that I do not know, it is their life, I just think some of these ideas are untested and there is some reckless advice being given out.

 

[Stan]

I don't see the attacks unless I am reading a different thread. I see corrections, alternative solutions proposed and clarification on what you would like as responses/feedback to your OP. To be honest, the only attack I can see is from you on a particular method. The only method that only gets attacked with such vigour on this board is SN, and that is a frequent event. I see you don't highlight similar concerns with other methods which exist as much as they do with SN. Misinformation comes in all shapes and sizes. I have said many times before, do your research using widely available medical and academic resources that exist outside of this forum. I'm afraid none of those tally up with what you are describing.

I personally do not talk about other methods if I don't like them. Serves no purpose to the wider community. No value in me projecting my fears onto people who are already anxious.

Yes, please do, if you can talk to me like a human being and not be toxic with me. Is it wrong of me to voice a concern regarding a method that is being wide spread on this site, when we really do not have all the information on it? That is all I was doing.

This site is based on free speech so of course you can say what you want. My opinion is that you were doing more than voicing a concern.

My Choice would be a veterinary product you can get in mexico. my other choice would be helium, but I can not get it in its pure form.

Nitrogen and Argon work in exactly the same way and are readily available.

I know I should not worry about other people that I do not know, it is their life, I just think some of these ideas are untested and there is some reckless advice being given out.

Then it is best to come back to the board with real medical facts based on links or a google search that people can perform themselves based on the parameters you used.

Also I would like to add, that I signed up for this site thinking I would find some compassion and maybe some resources, how was I to know what the contents of this site was until I signed up.

Well you found this site, therefore you could have browsed it as many do before committing to signing up. I don't know many people that just signed up without looking around first or being long term lurkers. You even said so in one of your posts regarding getting Chinese N that you were surprised how much you could see without being a member. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ng-n-from-b-the-new-chinese-n-supplier.22239/

Well you found this site, therefore you could have browsed it as many do before committing to signing up. I don't know many people that just signed up without looking around first or being long term lurkers. You even said so in one of your posts regarding getting Chinese N that you were surprised how much you could see without being a member. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ng-n-from-b-the-new-chinese-n-supplier.22239/

 

[SerenitySeeker]

This post spiraled way super fast. OP, @APharmaDestroyedLife, I don't think anyone wants to attack your opinion on SN. Simply put, everyone's body is different and can/will react different to the act of consuming toxins and shutting down. No one knows how their body will react until they are actively in the situation. HOWEVER, there is a regimen put together to make things as easy as possible but again we are talking about dying here by legal means. If this method isn't for you, it's completely understandable. We all have to weigh our options on what we are willing to do in order to get to the result of no longer being apart of this world. What in turn isn't ok if in fact it's being done, is continuing to shoot down methods in posts over and over again that you haven't personally done research on or experienced every chance you get. No matter what method one chooses their are risks and POSSIBLY side effects. Even with N, yes it's peaceful which is the experience most of us would prefer but there is also dizziness involved as you head off to sleep and your body shuts down, that could easily be terrifying to someone if their SI kicks in. But what point would there be if I or anyone else went on continuously posting that?

 

[c824767]

I'm not scared to die. Sure that primitive Survival Instinct exists in us all, but past that... in my heart, my mind, and my soul I am not scared to die... ive been ready for a while now...

over the course of 2 years I lost my entire family, and become poisoned by toxic drugs that were supposed to help me. I live everyday in the withdrawal of these horrible drugs while trying to deal with my grief, completely alone in a big house that was built for a family.

what I am truly scared of at this point is surviving the attempt and the brain damage, legal issues, and possibly having my life given over to state and being held against my will. I am not ever going to fool myself into thinking I could Jump, Hang, or shoot myself... all the other options left pose a serious risk of failure.. even jumping , shooting, and hanging arent sure bets...

I really want to just go the way that always works, the one that is peaceful, the one that costs a lot of money, and the one that no one can guarantee will be delivered, I'm also worried of what might happen if it did get delivered and the authorities got involved. I guess for me life is pain, and I just want death to be peaceful, I would hate to leave this world in a state of total panic and fear by hanging or SN. I dont buy that SN is in anyway peacefull. It's used to kill wild pigs. Just because someone is non responsive does not mean they are not suffering severely. SN does not knock you out by going into a gentle sleep...

a peaceful death is desirable. It may or may not shield you from further distress down the path. We do not know what is after death so we can assume the worst or other scenarios that suit us.