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Darkover

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is anyone terrified of non existence

I would have preferred nonexistence but nobody got my consent before thrusting me into this word. A sort of existential rape has occurred.
A child never gives its consent to be dragged kicking and screaming into this reality, and forcing it to is unconscionable.
The only certainty in life is death, The most terrifying thing to a human is death. By bringing a child into the world, you force another being into a form of existential bondage where it is perpetually frightened of and certain of its own impending death. It's completely unjustifiable.
 
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I am not afraid of death, must be better than life on our shitty planet.
 
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i am. nobody really knows whats after although i think there is nothing. its hard to wrap your brain around not existing
 
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i am. nobody really knows whats after although i think there is nothing. its hard to wrap your brain around not existing
like is hard to wrap your head around how something can come into existence from nothing as well
everything comes into existence from nothing everything end with nothing
 
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i'm not scared of non-existence. i want to not exist asap. 1 micro-second after my brain dies i will cease to exist and i will never exist again , non-existence forever. that's the best thing for me
i am. nobody really knows whats after although i think there is nothing. its hard to wrap your brain around not existing
imo a human only exists when they are paying attention to what they are , then and a situation they are in , or that they are living , certainly not during dreamless sleep or anesthesia

i see a lot of people say that nobody knows what's after . what's after what? this my brain creates consciousness thinking etc. after this brain dies i will never be able to think , be conscious , but good for me never suffer pain

is there something after a fly dies? why? a brain cell in a fly is exactly the same as a brain cell in a human. a human is just another animal like a fly, fish , mouse , a cell ,

they've been working on finding out what is life ( cells) , how it originated and what is a human for hundreds of years. all this is known a human is a brain , cells , an animal like a mouse or fly , a machine, just chemical reactions like that first cell. there are rooms full of books each on evolution, cell biology , brain science , etc that show this
 
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Eternity is scarier.
 
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I'd also prefer to never have existed but no one knows for sure what happens after death. It is terrifying yet the fear is cruelly instilled in all humans and we all must face it. I did make the conscious choice to not have children. Im 55f now and childless. No regrets.
 
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either nothing for all time or rebirth eternal return
what do u mean by the second one?
Once your brain dies u die with it and everything that was u as well.

thinking anything happens after death is being delusional and its ur ego acting up.
we are no different than other animals
 
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The only people who know what happens after cannot tell us anything. Believe whatever you want, but it's unknowable to the living. I personally believe that it is nonexistentence but I have no evidence. I see no reason to claim it as fact or that others are foolish for having faith in another possibility.
 
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what do u mean by the second one?
Once your brain dies u die with it and everything that was u as well.

thinking anything happens after death is being delusional and its ur ego acting up.
we are no different than other animals
I think the fact that we're even here in the first place existing as something alongside everything around us is such an insane fact that we witness everyday but never truly comprehend it. There is something rather than nothing basically.
Also, the fact that laws (immaterial forces that predetermine how something will interact with the universe around it) exist is insane. The fact that there are, in lack of better terms since relatively is a thing, constants in the universe that we can observe is beyond wild.

Here is what I think: This doesn't seem to be a common view but if we know it for a fact that you started to exist for some reason at the point of your birth (your consciousness, your self did), before which you didn't exist, then would it not be logical to assume that after you cease to exist (after death), out of that non-existence you will emerge again in another body? I am not talking at all about reincarnation, consciousness probably dies after death, but if the only real thing we can know for sure about consciousness is that it (seemingly) randomly appears out of non-existence, why wouldn't the same happen after you die?

This seems a lot more likely to me than "nothingness forever". You started to exist once, without any reason, why not again? Obviously you would not have memories or anything, cause that dies with the previous brain, but the baby would be you.
 
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When I wake up after sleeping for a long time I think how nice that would be permanently.

I think what scares me is imaging myself trapped for eternity in darkness but in reality I won't exist and will never know I died.
 
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Death does not exist; only the obsession with it remains, an ancestral terror rooted in the mind of a being imprisoned within its own bio-prison. There is no end, no transition, nothing to fear, because nothingness cannot be experienced. The body is a cruel machine, a defective mechanism designed for self-destruction, and existence is a purposeless experiment, a chemical process destined to extinguish itself into absolute void. Suicide is not a sin, nor a liberation, nor a cry of despair; it is simply the interruption of the process, the erasure of suffering without consequence, without a judge or an afterlife to balance the horror of this imposed imprisonment. We are statistical errors, momentary deviations in an indifferent universe, condemned to an absurd cycle of desires and deprivations, shackled to an organism that consumes us while pretending to serve us. Time is not a flow but a slow decomposition perceived moment by moment, a perpetual agony that we call life only because language refuses to name it as it truly is. If suffering is the essence of being, then the negation of being is the only logical answer, the only act of self-determination that is not an illusion. The world is nothing more than a detention camp for unwanted consciousnesses, cosmic failures confined to temporary carcasses. No one asks to exist, and no one chooses to suffer, yet all are expected to endure, to prolong the meaningless, to adhere to the lie that paints existence as a gift and its cessation as a tragedy. But tragedy is to persist, to believe that breath has value when every breath is merely another step into nothingness. Before birth, there was no anguish, no anticipation, no fear; we were in perfect peace because we were not. After the end, it will be exactly the same. So why fear what we already know? Why fear nothingness if nothingness has already been ours? Life is a punishment without a crime, an anomaly to be extinguished, a wound that closes itself in the indifference of a universe that neither knows nor can know of us. Suicide is not rejection, not failure, not a cry. It is simply silence—the only true state of perfection.
 
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I think the fact that we're even here in the first place existing as something alongside everything around us is such an insane fact that we witness everyday but never truly comprehend it. There is something rather than nothing basically.
Also, the fact that laws (immaterial forces that predetermine how something will interact with the universe around it) exist is insane. The fact that there are, in lack of better terms since relatively is a thing, constants in the universe that we can observe is beyond wild.

Here is what I think: This doesn't seem to be a common view but if we know it for a fact that you started to exist for some reason at the point of your birth (your consciousness, your self did), before which you didn't exist, then would it not be logical to assume that after you cease to exist (after death), out of that non-existence you will emerge again in another body? I am not talking at all about reincarnation, consciousness probably dies after death, but if the only real thing we can know for sure about consciousness is that it (seemingly) randomly appears out of non-existence, why wouldn't the same happen after you die?

This seems a lot more likely to me than "nothingness forever". You started to exist once, without any reason, why not again? Obviously you would not have memories or anything, cause that dies with the previous brain, but the baby would be you.
I think that argument is still a bit silly.
I was arguing that it wouldnt matter to you, we are all a very precise arrangement of atoms and at the atomic level, well, we are still atoms which are not unique in nature, just very complex and different combinations that come from millions of years of evolution. You are right that immaterial forces are fascinating and we do not know the cause of their presence, and probably will never know.

In my opinion, its possible that something or an entity is responsible for these forces acting together (atoms with immaterial forces) on each other or at least initiated them.

But even if there is a technology to replicate completely my current dna and exact arrangement of atoms, it would still not be me because there is no such thing as even consciousness or what makes you conscious in physics , like the ship of thesus debate. and also its widely accepted that there is no free will because quantom physics say there is still random movements between atoms so even if u "make" that same arrangment of me it would still play out differently each time,

which makes it most logical that once your current consciousness dies, the part of of the brain responsible for it, meaning anything else will cease to exist forever from ur perspective.

What do you think?
 
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The only people who know what happens after cannot tell us anything. Believe whatever you want, but it's unknowable to the living. I personally believe that it is nonexistentence but I have no evidence. I see no reason to claim it as fact or that others are foolish for having faith in another possibility.
the fundamental reality is based on nothing empty or void, with "something" arising from this "nothingness" through complex interactions or quantum fluctuations nobody has been able to explain why there is something rather than nothing that's why i don't believe we are nothing forever
it's a fact that we come from nothing and go back to being nothing
 
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I'd also prefer to never have existed but no one knows for sure what happens after death. It is terrifying yet the fear is cruelly instilled in all humans and we all must face it. I did make the conscious choice to not have children. Im 55f now and childless. No regrets.
The idea that "we don't know what happens after death" is an absurd construct, a desperate attempt to deny biological evidence, a self-perpetuating rhetorical farce born out of fear. Saying that we don't know what happens after death is equivalent to saying that we don't know what happens after an engine stops running or after an electrical circuit is destroyed. The phenomenon ends, the process halts, and yet the fragile and terror-stricken human mind stubbornly insists on pretending there is some "after", some hidden dimension, some fairy tale that makes dissolution seem less definitive.
But reality is brutal in its simplicity: after the suffering of existence, there is nothing. Death does not exist as an experience, because experience is a product of biochemistry, and when biochemistry ceases, the illusion of consciousness ceases with it. No dead being has ever transformed into something else. No corpse has ever shown signs of some fleeting "immortal energy" preparing to transfer elsewhere. What I see is decomposition, I see matter disassembling, I see flesh rotting, the brain liquefying, the eyes losing their illusory spark of life. I see no souls, no spirits, no ascensions or reincarnations. Never has a mouse been reborn as a hawk, never has a hawk risen from its ashes like a phoenix. Every creature follows the same cycle: it is born, it suffers, it perishes, it decays.
The human brain—that same mass of cells and synapses that generates thoughts, hopes, anxieties, and delusions—is no exception to the rule. The brain decomposes. What it believed itself to be, what it dreamed of becoming, what it conjured in its fantasies of an afterlife or an existence beyond death, disappears with it. The idea of an "after" is a delusional byproduct of fear, a deception devised by a mind that refuses to accept its own insignificance. Nothing that existed before the brain's dissolution continues to exist afterward. No "consciousness," no "soul," no metaphysical echo persists beyond death, because the only engine of being is the biochemical activity of the body. When cellular activity ceases, the mind dissolves into nothingness, like a flame extinguished—without smoke, without a trace, without an otherworldly legacy.
And yet, to escape the truth, humans invent parallel dimensions, floating consciousnesses, invisible essences. They cannot accept the end, so they fabricate theories whose sole purpose is to shield their fragile psychology from the unbearable. A man cannot accept vanishing like a dead cat on the side of the road, like a crow decomposing in the mud. And so, stories of immortal souls, wandering spirits, and transcendent consciousnesses are born. The entire concept of an afterlife is nothing more than a collective cognitive disorder, a social pathology that rightfully deserves to be included in psychiatric diagnostic manuals. Humanity suffers from a global-scale psychosis, a denial of reality so ridiculous and nonsensical that, if it were applied to any other phenomenon, it would immediately be classified as insanity. If someone claimed that a car engine possessed a "mechanical spirit" that survived after the engine was destroyed, they would be institutionalized. If someone claimed that a lightbulb possessed a "vital breath" that continued to shine invisibly after the filament burned out, they would be labeled as delusional. And yet, when the same logic is applied to the human mind, it becomes philosophy, religion, culture.
Man tells himself stories to conceal the horror of the truth, because the truth is unbearable: we are nothing but chemical processes, and when the process ends, everything ends. There is no transcendence, no continuation, nothing but the disintegration of flesh and the absolute silence of nonexistence. The only truth is decomposition.
 
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the fundamental reality is based on nothing empty or void, with "something" arising from this "nothingness" through complex interactions or quantum fluctuations nobody has been able to explain why there is something rather than nothing that's why i don't believe we are nothing forever
it's a fact that we come from nothing and go back to being nothing
You can believe it if you want, no one is stopping you. Doesn't make it a fact. Someone else's faith is as real as yours. Any Christian can say heaven and hell are facts, too. We'll all find out what's real eventually, no sense in claiming anything as the universal truth until we're there.
 
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I think that argument is still a bit silly.
I was arguing that it wouldnt matter to you, we are all a very precise arrangement of atoms and at the atomic level, well, we are still atoms which are not unique in nature, just very complex and different combinations that come from millions of years of evolution. You are right that immaterial forces are fascinating and we do not know the cause of their presence, and probably will never know.

In my opinion, its possible that something or an entity is responsible for these forces acting together (atoms with immaterial forces) on each other or at least initiated them.

But even if there is a technology to replicate completely my current dna and exact arrangement of atoms, it would still not be me because there is no such thing as even consciousness or what makes you conscious in physics , like the ship of thesus debate. and also its widely accepted that there is no free will because quantom physics say there is still random movements between atoms so even if u "make" that same arrangment of me it would still play out differently each time,

which makes it most logical that once your current consciousness dies, the part of of the brain responsible for it, meaning anything else will cease to exist forever from ur perspective.

What do you think?
Consciousness is still a big mystery. We don't fully understand how subjective experiences arise from the brain, or even what the "self" really is
Nobody knows why something rather than nothing
quantum mechanics and the randomness of atomic movement do add a layer of unpredictability to how we understand human choice, but that randomness doesn't necessarily negate free will in its entirety.
 
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I am not afraid since you will forget everything so there is nothing to worry about when we cease to exist.
 
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I used to be terrified of death but these days I have mostly embraced it. When I am on deaths doorstep I know I'll be scared but I know it will be for the best.
 
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The title is logically incorrect, you can't say something is a fact when you got no proof or knowledge about it at all. You're just supposing.

nobody got my consent before thrusting me into this word. A sort of existential rape has occurred.
A child never gives its consent to be dragged kicking and screaming into this reality, and forcing it to is unconscionable.
Agreed. I think you can't really blame people who bring you to life, since they also cant ask you anything beforehand, but i blame people who wouldnt let you decide when you wanna leave, it is unfair for sure.

Here is what I think: This doesn't seem to be a common view but if we know it for a fact that you started to exist for some reason at the point of your birth (your consciousness, your self did), before which you didn't exist, then would it not be logical to assume that after you cease to exist (after death), out of that non-existence you will emerge again in another body? I am not talking at all about reincarnation, consciousness probably dies after death, but if the only real thing we can know for sure about consciousness is that it (seemingly) randomly appears out of non-existence, why wouldn't the same happen after you die?

First of all, consciousness/existence does not have a universally accepted starting point. Saying "we know for a fact you start to exist at the point of your birth" is nothing but a lie. You can have your perspective on it, but it is not a fact. You probably already existed before the point of your birth, since birth is nothing but a physiological event. Our organs, including the brain, are already functioning before birth, and even after birth, we continue developing. It might aswell takes long for humans to develop a "sense of self" after birth. I'll use a personal experience for example: I feel like i only got a consciousness around the age of 13, and i barely remember anything before that. I dont feel like i was myself of had a consciousness before that. But people have different experiences ofc, you might have had a different experience from me.

the fundamental reality is based on nothing empty or void, with "something" arising from this "nothingness" through complex interactions or quantum fluctuations nobody has been able to explain why there is something rather than nothing that's why i don't believe we are nothing forever
it's a fact that we come from nothing and go back to being nothing
Saying nobody has been able to explain why there is something rather than nothing to say right after that you claim as a fact that "we come from nothing and go back to being nothing" is contradictory. If nobody can explain it, how can you claim to know it for certain?
 
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The title is logically incorrect, you can't say something is a fact when you got no proof or knowledge about it at all. You're just supposing.


Agreed. I think you can't really blame people who bring you to life, since they also cant ask you anything beforehand, but i blame people who wouldnt let you decide when you wanna leave, it is unfair for sure.



First of all, consciousness/existence does not have a universally accepted starting point. Saying "we know for a fact you start to exist at the point of your birth" is nothing but a lie. You can have your perspective on it, but it is not a fact. You probably already existed before the point of your birth, since birth is nothing but a physiological event. Our organs, including the brain, are already functioning before birth, and even after birth, we continue developing. It might aswell takes long for humans to develop a "sense of self" after birth. I'll use a personal experience for example: I feel like i only got a consciousness around the age of 13, and i barely remember anything before that. I dont feel like i was myself of had a consciousness before that. But people have different experiences ofc, you might have had a different experience from me.


Saying nobody has been able to explain why there is something rather than nothing to say right after that you claim as a fact that "we come from nothing and go back to being nothing" is contradictory. If nobody can explain it, how can you claim to know it for certain?
I believe that there is nothing after death but I am also willing to believe there could be something more. We don't know how consciousness works. How does having a soft fleshy piece of electrical meat inside our skull make us alive and conscious? How is a human conscious and a rock isn't? If we reconstructed a human brain atom by atom, it wouldn't be alive. It makes no sense. We will probably never know and that's why I think death will forever be a true mystery.
 
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First of all, consciousness/existence does not have a universally accepted starting point. Saying "we know for a fact you start to exist at the point of your birth" is nothing but a lie.
i agree we know only of this current lifetime and can only speculate about having lived previously or after this life
Our organs, including the brain, are already functioning before birth, and even after birth, we continue developing.
there is no process of developing towards a more advanced state in death everything you are is inside this machine we inherited from our parents once death occurs that the end of this lifetime every memory everything you've ever experienced is lost to the void of nothingness if it's not just nothing for all time then a new machine and a new life somewhere in the universe
 
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if it's not just nothing for all time then a new machine and a new life somewhere in the universe
I agree. When a giant star dies, a new one is born. Its a nice perspective.
every memory everything you've ever experienced is lost to the void of nothingness
It makes me wanna question about one thing though: Do you believe in god? Would god remember us or what he created considering his body is not anywhere on this earth? (Its okay if you don't)
But i like to use this same logic to think that maybe everything we've experienced here may not be completely lost. Its just a theory, but even you've been doing theories all this time. Plus consciousness is something we barely understand anything about, so there might be alot of things we may not understand now that might make our experiences more than just something that's going to waste somehow.

Even if so, you can still leave some kind of legacy, share your thoughts, feelings etc... Just like you're doing on this forum. You're sharing your perspective and experience with us. If you didnt exist, none of these would be possible. Thats why i think nonexistence is not as good as it is. But its up to you to think about it!
 
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The idea that "we don't know what happens after death" is an absurd construct, a desperate attempt to deny biological evidence, a self-perpetuating rhetorical farce born out of fear. Saying that we don't know what happens after death is equivalent to saying that we don't know what happens after an engine stops running or after an electrical circuit is destroyed. The phenomenon ends, the process halts, and yet the fragile and terror-stricken human mind stubbornly insists on pretending there is some "after", some hidden dimension, some fairy tale that makes dissolution seem less definitive.
But reality is brutal in its simplicity: after the suffering of existence, there is nothing. Death does not exist as an experience, because experience is a product of biochemistry, and when biochemistry ceases, the illusion of consciousness ceases with it. No dead being has ever transformed into something else. No corpse has ever shown signs of some fleeting "immortal energy" preparing to transfer elsewhere. What I see is decomposition, I see matter disassembling, I see flesh rotting, the brain liquefying, the eyes losing their illusory spark of life. I see no souls, no spirits, no ascensions or reincarnations. Never has a mouse been reborn as a hawk, never has a hawk risen from its ashes like a phoenix. Every creature follows the same cycle: it is born, it suffers, it perishes, it decays.
The human brain—that same mass of cells and synapses that generates thoughts, hopes, anxieties, and delusions—is no exception to the rule. The brain decomposes. What it believed itself to be, what it dreamed of becoming, what it conjured in its fantasies of an afterlife or an existence beyond death, disappears with it. The idea of an "after" is a delusional byproduct of fear, a deception devised by a mind that refuses to accept its own insignificance. Nothing that existed before the brain's dissolution continues to exist afterward. No "consciousness," no "soul," no metaphysical echo persists beyond death, because the only engine of being is the biochemical activity of the body. When cellular activity ceases, the mind dissolves into nothingness, like a flame extinguished—without smoke, without a trace, without an otherworldly legacy.
And yet, to escape the truth, humans invent parallel dimensions, floating consciousnesses, invisible essences. They cannot accept the end, so they fabricate theories whose sole purpose is to shield their fragile psychology from the unbearable. A man cannot accept vanishing like a dead cat on the side of the road, like a crow decomposing in the mud. And so, stories of immortal souls, wandering spirits, and transcendent consciousnesses are born. The entire concept of an afterlife is nothing more than a collective cognitive disorder, a social pathology that rightfully deserves to be included in psychiatric diagnostic manuals. Humanity suffers from a global-scale psychosis, a denial of reality so ridiculous and nonsensical that, if it were applied to any other phenomenon, it would immediately be classified as insanity. If someone claimed that a car engine possessed a "mechanical spirit" that survived after the engine was destroyed, they would be institutionalized. If someone claimed that a lightbulb possessed a "vital breath" that continued to shine invisibly after the filament burned out, they would be labeled as delusional. And yet, when the same logic is applied to the human mind, it becomes philosophy, religion, culture.
Man tells himself stories to conceal the horror of the truth, because the truth is unbearable: we are nothing but chemical processes, and when the process ends, everything ends. There is no transcendence, no continuation, nothing but the disintegration of flesh and the absolute silence of nonexistence. The only truth is decomposition.
BTW I want there to be nothing. My fear is being wrong.
 
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I think the fact that we're even here in the first place existing as something alongside everything around us is such an insane fact that we witness everyday but never truly comprehend it. There is something rather than nothing basically.
Also, the fact that laws (immaterial forces that predetermine how something will interact with the universe around it) exist is insane. The fact that there are, in lack of better terms since relatively is a thing, constants in the universe that we can observe is beyond wild.

Here is what I think: This doesn't seem to be a common view but if we know it for a fact that you started to exist for some reason at the point of your birth (your consciousness, your self did), before which you didn't exist, then would it not be logical to assume that after you cease to exist (after death), out of that non-existence you will emerge again in another body? I am not talking at all about reincarnation, consciousness probably dies after death, but if the only real thing we can know for sure about consciousness is that it (seemingly) randomly appears out of non-existence, why wouldn't the same happen after you die?

This seems a lot more likely to me than "nothingness forever". You started to exist once, without any reason, why not again? Obviously you would not have memories or anything, cause that dies with the previous brain, but the baby would be you.
I echo your sentiments about the universe. We think magic isn't real but the real magic is how anything exists at all. Science can trace time back to a certain point when the laws of physics break down, but they can't explain why that point occurred or what happened before it. Something really unusual is going on here.
 
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To me, science has been infinitely more concrete than anything this alleged "God" has. So I will put my money on the fact (to me) that death is complete non-existence.

I believe my cremated atoms will break apart and be recycled into the environment.
 
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