Help Is throwing yourself under a train a good suicide method?

[quitefem]

I've been thinking about doing this quite a lot. I just want to know how secure and painful this method is. Any tips or thoughts?

 

[Myforevercharlie]

Personally I'm against it.

You will bring trauma to the driver.

Don't drag innocent people into your departure.

 

[codeinesyruplover]

I think it's ok even though you will bring trauma to the driver. Let's be honest, there will always be someone who will be traumatized by your ctb
But i've heard that in some cases it has caused big financial problems for parents because the trains are unusable after that

 

[Myforevercharlie]

I think it's ok even though you will bring trauma to the driver. Let's be honest, there will always be someone who will be traumatized by your ctb
But i've heard that in some cases it has caused big financial problems for parents because the trains are unusable after that

Finding a body is something completely different then the driver who has to see a human ripped to pieces imo

 

[codeinesyruplover]

Finding a body is something completely different then the driver who has to see a human ripped to pieces imo

makes sense, but you can't say for sure how traumatized a specific person will be even if they just find a body. it can be as traumatizing as the second case, it all depends on how sensitive they are

 

[L'absent]

It is certainly one of the safest methods in terms of lethality and speed. There are statistics posted on the forum.

makes sense, but you can't say for sure how traumatized a specific person will be even if they just find a body. it can be as traumatizing as the second case, it all depends on how sensitive they are

Even committing suicide in a remote place and never having your body found again is traumatizing for some. Think of the women who bring their children to the square to see the executions: stonings, hangings, cutting off of limbs. It depends on the sensitivity of the person, exactly as you say.

 

[bananaolympus]

I don't know how secure is but i think is pretty pretty high, but is a gruesome way to go coming from a guy who jumped

 

[quitefem]

It is certainly one of the safest methods in terms of lethality and speed. There are statistics posted on the forum.

Even committing suicide in a remote place and never having your body found again is traumatizing for some. Think of the women who bring their children to the square to see the executions: stonings, hangings, cutting off of limbs. It depends on the sensitivity of the person, exactly as you say.

Where can i find the statistics?

 

[L'absent]

Dove posso trovare le statistiche?

What an interesting question! It's difficult to provide you with all the sources, because here we're not talking about methods like SN where statistics are not summarized. Especially because there are about a hundred cases per year + testimonies from anonymous people and debatable opinions. Suicide on the tracks is well documented and covers thousands of cases worldwide. I imagine you are interested in statistics in general and not in your country in particular, which I do not know. So I will give you some sources, but if you want more, feel free to ask. Statistics on railway accidents, including those on people hit by trains (I imagine this makes no difference to you, but the latter are not people who have positioned themselves exactly on the tracks to die), can be found in several reliable sources. In Italy, ISTAT provides detailed data on the I.Stat portal, while the National Railway Safety Agency (ANSF) publishes detailed annual reports on railway safety, with in-depth analyses of accidents and their causes. Another "interesting" resource is the Wikipedia page dedicated to railway accidents in Italy, which offers a historical overview and useful data. For a broader overview, there is also an Openpolis article analyzing the trend of railway accidents and suicides on the tracks in Europe: Fewer railway accidents, but suicides remain high. In the United States, on the other hand, railway statistics are managed by the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA), which offers comprehensive data on accidents through its official website. You can consult the databases in the section dedicated to railway accidents. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) also provides detailed reports on accidents, with in-depth analyses and safety recommendations. If you are looking for more general information on transport and safety, the US Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) is an excellent resource: BTS. These sources will allow you to access the most up-to-date data in both Italy and the United States. France: SNCF (Société Nationale des Chemins de fer Français) publishes annual reports on railway safety, available on their official website: SNCF Sécurité. Germany: In Germany, Deutsche Bahn (DB) offers reports on transport safety: Deutsche Bahn. In addition, the Eisenbahn-Bundesamt (EBA) is the regulatory body that publishes reports on railway accidents: EBA. The Agencia Estatal de Seguridad Ferroviaria (AESF) manages railway safety data and publishes reports: AESF. Japan: The Japan Transport Safety Board (JTSB) provides detailed reports on railway accidents: JTSB. Japanese railways, such as JR (Japan Railways), occasionally publish safety statistics in their annual reports: JR East. South Korea: The Korea Railroad Research Institute (KRRI) provides analyses on railway safety: KRRI. Korail, the country's main railway operator, also includes safety information in its reports: Korail.

I sincerely hope that this roundup of railway statistics is not interpreted as an act of dehumanization of the forum. I already expect to hear the official moralizer of the group, accompanied by her entourage, complaining about my analytical coldness. But what do you want to do? Rail safety is serious stuff!

 

[Dingo67]

I've been thinking about doing this quite a lot. I just want to know how secure and painful this method is. Any tips or thoughts?

Seems like SI would be pretty hard to beat if you do it the super lethal way of neck on track.

 

[purelydaft]

Fairly lethal and quick, assuming everything goes right. The trains slow down when they come into the station so it's not a great time to jump, unless you can position yourself so you get decapitated by the wheel. Make sure the trains don't have front guards or otherwise protected wheels and that you realistically fit between the track and the front of the train.

The other option is to jump when the train is at or near max speed. You want to make sure the driver does not have a lot of time to see you and pull emergency brakes. Hard to say how exactly, some kind of visual obstruction helps.

If you survive, you'll probably be maimed for life. Missing limbs, brain damage, vegetative state, significant and prolonged pain are all probable results.

 

[rainwillneverstop]

in a world where we have other options than involving somebody else in our ctb, it seems stupid and unnecessary.

 

[Darkover]

in a world where peaceful suicide methods are outlawed causing you to choose the train method it's completely acceptable to involve innocent people into your ctb to gain non existence

 

[miyabi]

Bad idea. Other commenters have replied regarding statistics, I can't comment on statistics but from personal experience I would estimate it's roughly an even split of survivals. I have never heard of or witnessed a train jumper surviving without losing limbs. You will likely have residual disabilities such as paralysis from spinal cord damage or long term effects of a traumatic brain injury.

It has a high lethality rate, but it is not as fast as you would think. I can personally attest to individuals dying from cardiac arrest after the impact instead of being instantly vaporized.

Do not do it. In the best case, you suffer in agony before dying. In the worst case, you survive with permanent lifelong disabilities as a prisoner of your own body.

I personally have not ever blamed a jumper for traumatising the driver. They will get plentiful support from their employer and time off from work. They will experience multiple jumpers in their career, it is part of the job and not a freak event for them. It would be similar to me blaming the jumper for having to deal with the aftermath. I chose my profession just as the driver chose theirs.

If you care about the presentation of your body, it will be mangled beyond belief. Train suicides stick with you in your head forever. I genuinely cannot think of a method of death that involves more body horror. Stuff like explosives or burning may damage the body beyond recognition, but trains will mangle you just enough to the point where you're still recognisable as a person with an identity.

Regarding decapitation, don't count on it. Train speed varies and in a rational state of mind you may believe you can time it. So did the other victims I have dealt with, and they were unlucky enough to survive the initial impact before dying afterwards. I'm of the opinion that your biological drive to protect yourself is so powerful that if you could ever overcome your survival instinct this would come from a state of heavily emotional thinking. As in, the opposite of a clear and calm mind. So not something working in your favour when you want to try and time a train.

As I mentioned previously, I've not read the statistics nor do I particularly care to. Witnessing firsthand what the victim goes through is enough for me to realise the agony caused by this method, and this isn't something that would be reflected in a scientific study. You can't ask a corpse to rate the pain of their death.

It's very easy to imagine that you'll die from it instantly unless you've seen it yourself. I can't hear about a person being hit by a train now without vividly imagining the injuries sustained.

 

[L'absent]

in a world where we have other options than involving somebody else in our ctb, it seems stupid and unnecessary.

Saying it seems "stupid and useless" in such a situation doesn't really take into account how complex and painful the place someone might be in is. People who get to the point of considering suicide aren't doing it with complete clarity, but often under unbearable pain that completely alters their perception of things. "Involving someone else" isn't always a conscious choice; it can be more of a consequence of the suffering they're going through, without really considering the impact on others.
It's easy to say there are other options, but for someone in a moment of desperation, those options don't always seem real or accessible. Society doesn't always provide adequate support, and sometimes people feel completely alone in their suffering. If there were more peaceful alternatives, like regulated assisted suicide, maybe many people wouldn't resort to extreme actions that involve others.
Instead of judging, we should be asking ourselves what we can do to prevent people from reaching that point by offering more support and solutions that don't leave room for despair. The language we use, labeling certain behaviors as "stupid," doesn't help reduce the stigma and often makes those who are suffering feel even more isolated.

Bad idea. Other commenters have replied regarding statistics, I can't comment on statistics but from personal experience I would estimate it's roughly an even split of survivals. I have never heard of or witnessed a train jumper surviving without losing limbs. You will likely have residual disabilities such as paralysis from spinal cord damage or long term effects of a traumatic brain injury.

It has a high lethality rate, but it is not as fast as you would think. I can personally attest to individuals dying from cardiac arrest after the impact instead of being instantly vaporized.

Do not do it. In the best case, you suffer in agony before dying. In the worst case, you survive with permanent lifelong disabilities as a prisoner of your own body.

I personally have not ever blamed a jumper for traumatising the driver. They will get plentiful support from their employer and time off from work. They will experience multiple jumpers in their career, it is part of the job and not a freak event for them. It would be similar to me blaming the jumper for having to deal with the aftermath. I chose my profession just as the driver chose theirs.

If you care about the presentation of your body, it will be mangled beyond belief. Train suicides stick with you in your head forever. I genuinely cannot think of a method of death that involves more body horror. Stuff like explosives or burning may damage the body beyond recognition, but trains will mangle you just enough to the point where you're still recognisable as a person with an identity.

Regarding decapitation, don't count on it. Train speed varies and in a rational state of mind you may believe you can time it. So did the other victims I have dealt with, and they were unlucky enough to survive the initial impact before dying afterwards. I'm of the opinion that your biological drive to protect yourself is so powerful that if you could ever overcome your survival instinct this would come from a state of heavily emotional thinking. As in, the opposite of a clear and calm mind. So not something working in your favour when you want to try and time a train.

As I mentioned previously, I've not read the statistics nor do I particularly care to. Witnessing firsthand what the victim goes through is enough for me to realise the agony caused by this method, and this isn't something that would be reflected in a scientific study. You can't ask a corpse to rate the pain of their death.

It's very easy to imagine that you'll die from it instantly unless you've seen it yourself. I can't hear about a person being hit by a train now without vividly imagining the injuries sustained.

I appreciate that you are talking about your experience, but it is important to note that the perception of an event based on personal experiences can be very subjective and not necessarily applicable to everyone. Statistics, on the other hand, are objective collections that give us a broader and more accurate overview. Claiming that a suicide method is safe or not based solely on a person's experience does not take into account the complexity and variables that come into play, such as physical conditions, the specific circumstances of the case and the large-scale aggregate data that statistics provides us. Instead of making assumptions based on individual experiences, it is essential to consider scientific studies and data, which are more reliable and can provide an overall view of the phenomenon.

 

[miyabi]

Saying it seems "stupid and useless" in such a situation doesn't really take into account how complex and painful the place someone might be in is. People who get to the point of considering suicide aren't doing it with complete clarity, but often under unbearable pain that completely alters their perception of things. "Involving someone else" isn't always a conscious choice; it can be more of a consequence of the suffering they're going through, without really considering the impact on others.
It's easy to say there are other options, but for someone in a moment of desperation, those options don't always seem real or accessible. Society doesn't always provide adequate support, and sometimes people feel completely alone in their suffering. If there were more peaceful alternatives, like regulated assisted suicide, maybe many people wouldn't resort to extreme actions that involve others.
Instead of judging, we should be asking ourselves what we can do to prevent people from reaching that point by offering more support and solutions that don't leave room for despair. The language we use, labeling certain behaviors as "stupid," doesn't help reduce the stigma and often makes those who are suffering feel even more isolated.

I appreciate that you are talking about your experience, but it is important to note that the perception of an event based on personal experiences can be very subjective and not necessarily applicable to everyone. Statistics, on the other hand, are objective collections that give us a broader and more accurate overview. Claiming that a suicide method is safe or not based solely on a person's experience does not take into account the complexity and variables that come into play, such as physical conditions, the specific circumstances of the case and the large-scale aggregate data that statistics provides us. Instead of making assumptions based on individual experiences, it is essential to consider scientific studies and data, which are more reliable and can provide an overall view of the phenomenon.

A study covering lethality is a pretty moot point as my specific point was that corpses don't answer surveys on how painful their death method is. That kind of data is impossible to quantify or obtain. It is however clear to frontline emergency services responding. I deal with railway based suicides for a living. Like yourself I can appreciate the objective nature of studies but it is not the be all and end all. Clinging onto a study for everything lacks nuance and is one dimensional. I think you've misrepresented my argument.

Sorry for my bluntness but you aren't able to gather the agony of the method from a pubmed study on the lethality of a train. Yes compared to swallowing OTC painkillers it is an effective method. I didn't make a point about their lethality but rather their consequences. There is a significant chance you will survive and when the consequences of survival is guaranteed disability it is not a good method. There are methods with higher lethality that will not leave you even more suicidal but with the inability to carry out said suicide attempt.

Personally even a 25% chance of survival with a 100% guarantee of permanent disability is not a gamble I would take. This is akin to suggesting a mentally healthy person play russian roulette for cash. Regardless of the reward the consequence of losing the game is too great for anyone that isn't suicidal. For someone suicidal this is russian roulette where you are objectively more likely to die (a painful and delayed yet successful death) and if you get the round in the chamber you end up disabled. It is not easy to commit suicide when you are able bodied (by the data) and it is obviously nigh impossible if you are eating out of a tube or in a wheelchair.

There is also the significant chance of an agonising delayed death which is the case more often than not. I don't think there are any studies about the onset of death after being struck by a train.

It simply isn't worth it from a risk/reward perspective.

 

[outrider567]

I've been thinking about doing this quite a lot. I just want to know how secure and painful this method is. Any tips or thoughts?

A NYC man who killed his wife, decided to then kill himself by throwing himself in front of a speeding subway train, he only succeeded in getting his legs cut off