Is this Forum Jeopardizing N?

[YourNeighbor]

There have been recent reports that the global supply of vet N has been affected during the pandemic, and that supply issues may last through mid/late 2022.

Setting that aside, anyone think that the panics fostered here by rumor and open discussions of sources/purchases have put the supply of N in jeopardy? If you were selling N, and stumbled across megathreads here about your business and other discussions listing your transactions by date, shipments, and receipt of goods by jurisdiction as happens here regularly, would you stay in the business?

For goodness sake, please stop fomenting panic, stop hoarding and panic buying (there are people across the world facing gruesome disease and who may need N within short order, not sitting in a cabinet), and stop discussing specific transactions (identifying order and shipment dates, jurisdictions, payment methods...really?!).

 

[GentleJerk]

Human access to N is naturally in jeopardy due to how rare and restricted it is.

Imo this forum is not putting the availability of N in any more jeopardy than say, Exit or the Hemlock Society, as they are always being closely watched and any information they publish will be easily available to the people who try to shut down access to such things. Indeed, they hang off Exit's every word and watch every move, LE set up stings to catch elderly folks buying N in the past, and dealers always get shut down.

Other than officials, the only other risk I can think of is the general public, trolls, and those who oppose suicide, taking it upon themselves to try and ruin a good thing for those who desperately need it. I sincerely hope not, but there is the chance that this forum may attract the attention of such types due to how public it is. I would like to think this does not pose much of a problem and that suppliers can find a way around it or deal with it. But who knows.

If it's good, they will stop making it. An old saying. So may as well enjoy as much as possible while it lasts. I am under 50 and unwell, but not so unwell that I am guaranteed to die from my illnesses in the near future. So Exit rejected me. I could die soon, but I could also suffer for quite a while being subjected to horrible medical abuse. Without this forum, I would be in a position where I might need to hang myself or jump off a building, which would be a grisly and fearful demise. So I think what is being done here is an absolute necessity and a merciful gift to myself and many others.

 

[silent staring void]

For goodness sake, please stop fomenting panic, stop hoarding and panic buying (there are people across the world facing gruesome disease and who may need N within short order, not sitting in a cabinet), and stop discussing specific transactions (identifying order and shipment dates, jurisdictions, layment methods...really?!).

Thanks. I was actually thinking about panic buying today, but you have just dissuaded me from doing that.

 

[Symbiote]

N is the new toilet paper in the latest pandemic panic buys.

 

[wljourney]

I don't think the forum discussions are half as bad as people who are now panic-emailing D knowing full well that they won't proceed with a purchase right now, but just "want to find out".

 

[YourNeighbor]

Human access to N is naturally in jeopardy due to how rare and restricted it is.

Imo this forum is not putting the availability of N in any more jeopardy than say, Exit or the Hemlock Society, as they are always being closely watched and any information they publish will be easily available to the people who try to shut down access to such things. Indeed, they hang off every word and watch every move, LE set up stings to catch elderly folks buying N in the past, and dealers always get shut down.

Other than officials, the only other risk I can think of is the general public, trolls, and those who oppose suicide, taking it upon themselves to try and ruin a good thing for those who desperately need it. I sincerely hope not, but there is the chance that this forum may attract the attention of such types due to how public it is. I would like to think this does not pose much of a problem and that suppliers can find a way around it or deal with it. But who knows.

If it's good, they will stop making it. An old saying. So may as well enjoy as much as possible while it lasts. I am under 50 and unwell, but not so unwell that I am guaranteed to die from my illnesses in the near future. So Exit rejected me. I could die soon, but I could also suffer for quite a while being subjected to horrible medical abuse. Without this forum, I would be in a position where I might need to hang myself or jump off a building, which would be a grisly and fearful demise. So I think what is being done here is an absolute necessity and a merciful gift to myself and many others.

Other than identifying N as a method and linking to the PPeH, there is no more transaction-specific information that needs to be advertised here.

I assume, and I don't mean this in a disparaging way, that you have no idea how criminal investigations are started and carried out. Law enforcement is not "always watching everyone closely." That's a misconception. Law enforcement has limited resources and follows leads.

What this site does is give law enforcement agencies across the world probable cause to believe that they have jurisdiction to investigate this source every time someone posts "I live in X and I just got my N. Paid by WU three days ago--great service!!!" This is something that the PPeH alone does not do. Such posts make it much more likely the source will be investigated, and with all the transactions posted here, makes it much more likely any such investigation will be successful.

Good grief, how hard is it to have a shred of empathy for the source and consider for a second whether s/he would want all the information regularly posted here to be publicly available. If the answer is no, have some respect (everyone generally, not you specifically) and don't post that info.

Why do people think they are anonymous online?

 

[VoidDesirer22]

Other than identifying N as a method and linking to the PPeH, there is no more transaction-specific information that needs to be advertised here.

I assume, and I don't mean this in a disparaging way, that you have no idea how criminal investigations are started and carried out. Law enforcement is not "always watching everyone closely." That's a misconception. Law enforcement has limited resources and follows leads.

What this site does is give law enforcement agencies across the world probable cause to believe that they have jurisdiction to investigate this source every time someone posts "I live in X and I just got my N. Paid by WU three days ago--great service!!!" This is something that the PPeH alone does not do. Such posts make it much more likely the source will be investigated, and with all the transactions posted here, makes it much more likely any such investigation will be successful.

Good grief, how hard is it to have a shred of empathy for the source and consider for a second whether s/he would want all the information regularly posted here to be publicly available. If the answer is no, have some respect (everyone generally, not you specifically) and don't post that info.

Why do people think they are anonymous online?

From the PPeH alone I felt as though from ordering it was an absolute prison sentence. But after reading people's experiences with D here, I was able to build the courage.

I get where you're coming from, but it is human nature to have a bit of a 'fuck you, got mine' attitude.
I'm afraid that if the only way I could get N from D was to sacrifice the source entirely, then I would do it.
I'm okay with admiting that, and it is in a purely hypothetical thought-experiment land.

Because we can each get the source, while also sharing "It was successful for me" then the source can last for longer. And true, we should be more careful with any specific info. But new users who are desperate probably don't give a fuck.

Can't wait until I'm dead and I don't have to put up with any human nonsense about moral discussion and suffering. What a fucking circus.

 

[YourNeighbor]

I get where you're coming from, but it is human nature to have a bit of a 'fuck you, got mine' attitude.
I'm afraid that if the only way I could get N from D was to sacrifice the source entirely, then I would do it.
I'm okay with admiting that, and it is in a purely hypothetical thought-experiment land.

I do appreciate the honesty. Many here try to pose as defenders of the oppressed. Your honesty on this point is refreshing.

That said, the self-defeating aspects of the "fuck you, got mine" attitude embraced by many here is precisely what I'm trying to address.

 

[GentleJerk]

I assume, and I don't mean this in a disparaging way, that you have no idea how criminal investigations are started and carried out. Law enforcement is not "always watching everyone closely." That's a misconception. Law enforcement has limited resources and follows leads.

I know a thing or two...

Anyway I didn't say that. I said they are watching Exit very closely, including it's members. They have for a long time. Exit are the ones publishing all this info about Nembutal, and advertising contacts who supply it in their PPH. They are solely responsible for people buying N in this way. Being a more exclusive club doesn't protect them and their sources whatsoever. The individuals who order N come after the fact.

The second Exit publishes a contact in the PPH who supplies N internationally, the narcs who are always watching them would have seen that. Other than individual stories of using the contact to make a personal purchase, the details people stupidly or naively post on this site aren't revealing more than what is already known by those narcs, other than maybe amount of sales.

You say LE agencies around the world will think they have jurisdiction to investigate, whenever someone posts on here saying that they received N. But most of them have no jurisdiction to do anything about an overseas supplier. Only certain international task forces do, and those groups would have been informed the second that email was published in the PPH.

They would send one single email and find out nearly everything. They will know he's a supplier, what country he's in, how much he charges, how he ships worldwide and accepts WU etc. They can also find out further details of the operation without our help.

You are probably worried because of the recent news regarding the shortage of N. I worry too. The one thing I will say that the forum might be complicit in, is opening Exit's little book and N contact to a wider audience. This carries a risk of exposing the supplier to more possible pestering, etc. it is my hope that this does not happen, but if so, he/she hopefully has ways of dealing with this. I also think it is necessary because not all of us are over 50 and/or guaranteed to die of disease within the next three months.

TLDR: If LE shuts it down, that won't be this forum's fault. If the supplier decides to stop because of being harassed or something, there might be a higher chance that this forum could be responsible in some way... Though that's a stretch because if trolling/harassing worked to stop online dealers selling, which I personally think it does not, then LE can also be doing that. The supplier would likely have ways of handling that situation.

 

[YourNeighbor]

I know a thing or two...

Obviously, you don't.

Anyway I didn't say that. I said they are watching Exit very closely, including it's members. They have for a long time. Exit are the ones publishing all this info about Nembutal, and advertising contacts who supply it in their PPH. They are solely responsible for people buying N in this way. Being a more exclusive club doesn't protect them and their sources whatsoever. The individuals who order N come after the fact.

The second Exit publishes a contact in the PPH who supplies N internationally, the narcs who are always watching them would have seen that. Other than individual stories of using the contact to make a personal purchase, the details people stupidly or naively post on this site aren't revealing more than what is already known by those narcs, other than maybe amount of sales.

You say LE agencies around the world will think they have jurisdiction to investigate, whenever someone posts on here saying that they received N. But most of them have no jurisdiction to do anything about an overseas supplier. Only certain international task forces do, and those groups would have been informed the second that email was published in the PPH.

They would send one single email and find out nearly everything. They will know he's a supplier, what country he's in, how much he charges, how he ships worldwide and accepts WU etc. They can also find out further details of the operation...

Ah, the beauty of the internet. Any anonymous person can claim to know what they are talking about, despite clearly not having a clue, and then every spectator who has no good information and stumbles upon the exchange is able to choose which narrative fits their preconceived notions.

 

[GentleJerk]

Ah, the beauty of the internet. Any anonymous person can claim to know what they are talking about, despite clearly not having a clue

What part of what I said is the reason you're calling me clueless?

 

[YourNeighbor]

What part of what I said is the reason you're calling me clueless?

From your first comment that law enforcement is always watching everyone closely, to your suggestion that law enforcement would initiate an investigation of a source merely because a contact is published somewhere, without any concrete reason to suspect the contact remains viable or linked to any transaction in that jurisdiction, to your statement that only some "international task forces" would have jurisdiction to investigate, pretty much everything you write suggests your "knowledge" of how investigations work derives from TV or some movies. Just stop it.

 

[GentleJerk]

From your first comment that law enforcement is always watching everyone closely, to your suggestion that law enforcement would initiate an investigation of a source merely because a contact is published somewhere, without any concrete reason to suspect the contact remains viable or linked to any transaction in that jurisdiction, to your statement that only some "international task forces" would have jurisdiction to investigate, pretty much everything you write suggests your "knowledge" of how investigations work derives from TV or some movies. Just stop it.

You need to get your eyes checked first of all. For the 3rd time, I said Exit is being closely watched.

So you are suggesting that Exit can publish information that facilitates the supply of Nembutal as it has always done, with no worries? But SS members would be responsible for a possible investigation?

And yes, I'm telling you that your local police are not going to lead an investigation to take down that supplier. I'm telling you this because in the past when these things have been investigated, suppliers taken down and raids done, it was a coordinated international operation, and it was focused on Exit- the organisation responsible.

Your attitude stinks.

 

[YourNeighbor]

Your attitude stinks.

Your attitude stinks. Stop masquerading as an expert on subjects you know nothing about. Reread my initial comments then consider how far afield your nonsensical responses are to my basic points.

 

[GentleJerk]

 

[YourNeighbor]

Ah, where you research law enforcement. Gotcha. Come back in 15 years when you have some real world experience.

 

[Lost Magic]

I don't think the forum is jeopardizing N. Not, unless people fuck around with D and waste his time. How else are deeply ill (but under 50 year olds) going to get knowledge about how to attain it if it weren't for this site? I know I wouldn't so, therefore, I am deeply grateful for being able to require access to the PPeH. I know what you are trying to say though, but you do come across as rather aggressive in a way. Perhaps, we could all be a little more discrete about it. So, you may have a point.