Discussion Is there something practical thar could help you cease to be suicidal?

[Fr2]

Hi,
I don't know about you, but every time I google something related to suicide and I receive the eternal "There is help for you, call ... " and similar links, I am really pissed. Suicidal people, every single one, have real, so often very tangible, humanly solvable problems. Even in the cases in which it is all only mental/emotional, still very often the problem is tangible and obvious, and ALL that is offered as "help" is some cheap, worn out, meaning nothing motivational advice or pseudo-listening, or dumbing down, poisoning medication, if you pay. I think for thousands and thousands of people real true help is possible, if only the "comfortable feeling people" cared to shift a little bit the dynamics of the society to embrace mental pain as real. At this point it looks like it is successfully labeled as real, and they feel all smug about how open minded they are, but as long as a person didn't get the goosebumps when thinking about the mental suffering of someone else, that means understanding didn't happen. (Yeah, some kinds of help are not feasible in the current state of things, I get that, the creation and transformation of societal structures takes time, resources etc, but say it as it is: "sorry, can't help you, see you next life, or come again in 10 years", but not this joke of pretending (and believing?) to offer help when there is None, that is insulting).

Returning to my question. Is there something real (and what is it?) that could be done for you personally, material, emotional, you name it, feasible in the physical reality, that could wipe out your suicidal thoughts, that could at least give you hope, make your heart lighter, make you feel like definitely postponing the suicide?

Rephrasing a little bit, what would you dream of hearing when calling a suicide help line?

(Please forget for a moment about the existing structures, think outside of that)

 

[Vegrau]

Peace. Eternal silent peace till the day I die.
Just give me a small room filled with everything I ever need. Like internet, elec, food, meds, N (so I can end my life when I got too old) etc. So I will never have to interact with any human being for the rest of my life. I dont want to talk to anyone. See anyone. Hear even a tiny sound of their fking voice in real life. Only silence. Eternal silence.

 

[DreamCatcher]

Finding a reason to go on would be the #1 way I think. Maybe some bucket list item you must do, or some experience you wouldn't want to miss. Maybe it'll only buy a day or a week, but with luck you can chain those together until you get to better days. Maybe even something simple like treating yourself to a favorite restaurant every week or every day.

#2 would probably be some kind of medical help. Sure it might not actually improve things, but if the docs or legit drugs make you feel well enough to go on and you want to go on it's worth a shot.

#3 Cut the old life away and take a dramatic shift. Fly somewhere new with a one way ticket, and try to start life over again wherever you dream of living now. If it doesn't work out you're no worse than when you started.

#4 If you are really good at meditation, it's worth a shot and it's free!

Sadly most options assume you have access to medical care and or money to cover travel or luxuries that make you happy.

For me I'd stick around if I had enough money to cover the bills and buy food without putting up with the extreme pointless painful nonsense that much of life is.

 

[Scribble Fan]

Apathy. If I stopped caring about most of everything then I wouldn't care enough to kill myself.

 

[promisestokeep]

I think if I had unlimited funds I'd just go on a world tour/vacation and focus on seeing as much nature & animals as possible. That always calms me down. And they I'd go diving a lot. And get a pilot and a boat license... and..and..
lol

 

[Paisley]

i'd like a home. one that i actually own. not anything large or fancy.

this god awful apartment is the closest thing i've got to a home. but how can i consider a place my home when i feel so unsafe in it? bedbug infestations, mice scurrying around, plumbing problems, theft, breaking and entering, loud arguments in the alley, and the building fire alarm keeps going off in the middle of the night... i'm sick of it all.

 

[Qbert]

Ketamine infusions

 

[Fr2]

i'd like a home. one that i actually own. not anything large or fancy.

this god awful apartment is the closest thing i've got to a home. but how can i consider a place my home when i feel so unsafe in it? bedbug infestations, mice scurrying around, plumbing problems, theft, breaking and entering, loud arguments in the alley, and the building fire alarm keeps going off in the middle of the night... i'm sick of it all.

I totally understand how intenselly aggravating the physical discomfort is. Emotional pain per se is too much, one should at least have the physical comfort to be able to somehow try to manage the internal mess. Even more so, I totally believe that the physical environment you described can be enough to begin to have bailing thoughts.

 

[Mljonzy]

Talking about it to someone lol only joking that's what normal people think. I think once you get to a certain point where it's really bad then it just becomes part of your life. People say to get help but in reality until they come up with a magic pill that gets rid of it then there is no help.

 

[Ladylethal]

Hmm...If only I had the ability to go back in time...fix some things...Maybe if my family loved and supported me...If I had a good sum of money I could make some positive changes in my life that would probably help me tbh. But I'm always going to be a worthless fuck...and it's not like my fiance is coming back

 

[GeorgeJL]

Hi,
I don't know about you, but every time I google something related to suicide and I receive the eternal "There is help for you, call ... " and similar links, I am really pissed. Suicidal people, every single one, have real, so often very tangible, humanly solvable problems. Even in the cases in which it is all only mental/emotional, still very often the problem is tangible and obvious, and ALL that is offered as "help" is some cheap, worn out, meaning nothing motivational advice or pseudo-listening, or dumbing down, poisoning medication, if you pay. I think for thousands and thousands of people real true help is possible, if only the "comfortable feeling people" cared to shift a little bit the dynamics of the society to embrace mental pain as real. At this point it looks like it is successfully labeled as real, and they feel all smug about how open minded they are, but as long as a person didn't get the goosebumps when thinking about the mental suffering of someone else, that means understanding didn't happen. (Yeah, some kinds of help are not feasible in the current state of things, I get that, the creation and transformation of societal structures takes time, resources etc, but say it as it is: "sorry, can't help you, see you next life, or come again in 10 years", but not this joke of pretending (and believing?) to offer help when there is None, that is insulting).

Returning to my question. Is there something real (and what is it?) that could be done for you personally, material, emotional, you name it, feasible in the physical reality, that could wipe out your suicidal thoughts, that could at least give you hope, make your heart lighter, make you feel like definitely postponing the suicide?

Rephrasing a little bit, what would you dream of hearing when calling a suicide help line?

(Please forget for a moment about the existing structures, think outside of that)

Yes I know exactly what you want but couldn't put your finger on it. Psychedelics! Yes psychedelics the long forgotten psychological tool that can transform your life. Or maybe not. Some suicidal people take psychedelics and don't get better whereas others have been on the verge of suicide and ended up finding reason to live after dosing some magic mushrooms. Personally I recommend 2c-b and 4-aco-dmt. You can buy these off of the darknet.

I also recommend that you take the self authoring program. This program was created by Jordan Peterson. It's helped many people especially men that didn't know what to do with their life and helped them discover what they wanted to do.

Self Authoring - What is Self Authoring?

www.selfauthoring.com

I have personally greatly benefited from medication so I will recommend that still. But if your going to be taking psychedelics you shouldn't be using medication with it anyway.

 

[MAIO]

Hi,
I don't know about you, but every time I google something related to suicide and I receive the eternal "There is help for you, call ... " and similar links, I am really pissed. Suicidal people, every single one, have real, so often very tangible, humanly solvable problems. Even in the cases in which it is all only mental/emotional, still very often the problem is tangible and obvious, and ALL that is offered as "help" is some cheap, worn out, meaning nothing motivational advice or pseudo-listening, or dumbing down, poisoning medication, if you pay. I think for thousands and thousands of people real true help is possible, if only the "comfortable feeling people" cared to shift a little bit the dynamics of the society to embrace mental pain as real. At this point it looks like it is successfully labeled as real, and they feel all smug about how open minded they are, but as long as a person didn't get the goosebumps when thinking about the mental suffering of someone else, that means understanding didn't happen. (Yeah, some kinds of help are not feasible in the current state of things, I get that, the creation and transformation of societal structures takes time, resources etc, but say it as it is: "sorry, can't help you, see you next life, or come again in 10 years", but not this joke of pretending (and believing?) to offer help when there is None, that is insulting).

Returning to my question. Is there something real (and what is it?) that could be done for you personally, material, emotional, you name it, feasible in the physical reality, that could wipe out your suicidal thoughts, that could at least give you hope, make your heart lighter, make you feel like definitely postponing the suicide?

Rephrasing a little bit, what would you dream of hearing when calling a suicide help line?

(Please forget for a moment about the existing structures, think outside of that)

The only guarantee cease of suicidal thoughts is death. It depends on why your suicidal what your problems are etc. If you focus on social interactions, goals, exercise, medication/drugs, changing your actions to do whatever you need to do to feel better regardless of how you feel etc you may not feel suicidal anymore.

 

[WinterIsComing]

Hace you guys seen what happens when you put suicide on facebook?
They give you they option of reading something, Stay calm,send a message and talk to someone....eeeek useless

Anyways...i would like they suicide line to give free treatment, a good job or money i mean something usefull

 

[Fr2]

I think for some people free cosmetical surgery and treatment would do wonders

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Nah, i find life inherently crappy, i just want to die.

Even if i could harbor the illusion that some of my problems can be solved, others just will arise again, and what's with all the ratrace anyway ? Even if i was more functionnal and contented what would i do, work, find a woman if she could ever love me to then prop up a kid in a reckless act and make him risk ending at the same spot and perpetuate the meaningless cycle (there is always this risk when you procreate, even if you become happy) and then going to the grave anyway ?

No, too much fuss for a meager reaward, i just want to die.

 

[WaterUnder]

There are situations/things that could make my life more bearable, even livable for some duration, but nothing would fix the essence of the difficulty. So yes, temporarily, but no, not really.

 

[AsexualBarbieBoy]

Peace. Eternal silent peace till the day I die.
Just give me a small room filled with everything I ever need. Like internet, elec, food, meds, N (so I can end my life when I got too old) etc. So I will never have to interact with any human being for the rest of my life. I dont want to talk to anyone. See anyone. Hear even a tiny sound of their fking voice in real life. Only silence. Eternal silence.

Wow. This is precisely the only thing that would stop me from CTB. The bulk of my pain stems from my inability to fulfill my deepest desire for isolation. It's a strange paradox. I can't survive without other humans but being around other humans makes me want to die.

 

[Fr2]

Wow. This is precisely the only thing that would stop me from CTB. The bulk of my pain stems from my inability to fulfill my deepest desire for isolation. It's a strange paradox. I can't survive without other humans but being around other humans makes me want to die.

I wish you to find the kind of isolation you long for, and on the other side of it, after a little while :) (after getting all you need from it), to find the people that would feel good to you.

 

[Vegrau]

Wow. This is precisely the only thing that would stop me from CTB. The bulk of my pain stems from my inability to fulfill my deepest desire for isolation. It's a strange paradox. I can't survive without other humans but being around other humans makes me want to die.

Exactly. We are so used to all these amenities. Its simply unpleasant to just give it all up. Yet we cant stand being around other humans either. What an unpleasant paradox we are in and this unpleasantness is one of the reason I want to ctb. If I cant have my isolation then so be it.

 

[inconsequential]

Real fucking pain relief. REAL PAIN RELIEF.

The battle against fentanyl in the US has translated into, "fuck people with chronic pain". People are dropping left and right from accidental heroin/fentanyl ODs, but I can't get a prescription for oxycodone to make me able to exist without grimacing every time I sit down, stand up, lay down, or fucking breathe.

Everything hurts. All the time. One of my friends complimented me once by saying, "Your stoicism is impressive".

It doesn't feel fucking impressive. I just don't want to be a whiny bitch, so I guess I remain "stoic".

 

[Darkmornings]

A house in the middle of the forest, no money troubles, dog and a cat maybe, isolation from society. I cant stand this world. I try my best to be optimistic but I just cant bare society. I dont belong here.

 

[not_a_robot]

Practical, no. My life is medically fucked not even due to my own health, which is improving, but due to bad interactions with doctors. When I demanded to see my records I found out my last doctor was literally writing down the opposite of every word I said during my appointments.
This will keep me suicidal unless I acquire enough money to get better medical care. Even then I'm going to be traumatized by it for the rest of my life. I'm in a seriously fucked up situation.

 

[barny]

interesting question. I agree, if I asked for 'help' I would probably either get the rubbish crisis team who are useless, or end up in a mental hospital again which is a complete waste of time and you get no help. they lock you up, you go more crazy and they do nothing to help you, staff dont even speak to you, no therapy nothing. yea I could pay for a private counsellor again, but iv already seen 14 and clearly none of them helped! not saying it wouldn't help someone else of course! places are different.
however I have a dilhema, I could take a pill which will make me feel better (albeit temporarily), I have bipolar and medical disorders, if I take steroids (medical not body building !) I go manic which is fun while it lasts but always come back down again, feel like it doesn't change anything really. different meds could help I guess/ ? I see a private shrink.

 

[not_a_robot]

Ketamine infusions

There is a fake version of ketamine called esketamine, controversy about it.

 

[Qbert]

More like e$ketamine

 

[Nihil]

A house in the middle of the forest, no money troubles, dog and a cat maybe, isolation from society. I cant stand this world. I try my best to be optimistic but I just cant bare society. I dont belong here.

Absolutely 100% same.