Is there anything more selfish than Baker Acting a person?

[Jessica5]

I doubt it.

 

[Beautifulletdown]

Just had that happen to me in May. It sucked to have 6 police cars show up after contacting a crisis line. Then stuck with a hospital bill. Yeah, the system blows.

 

[CURSED again]

had it done to me by my significant other - they knew what i've been going through physically and emotionally but since they feel fine thought to sneakily have it done during an er visit and no one explained it to me and i was therefore involuntarily put in as it turns out - the drugs gave me horrible side effects and i cannot purchase a gun now and feel much worse from the experience with PTSD, etc - i told them "I would never have done that to you" - our relationship is not the same - it was like prison - only with less respect and in florida i was not allowed a cell phone - it seems the europeans are more tolerant on the subject. For me it was extremely counterproductive.

 

[HGL91]

I had to google Baker Acting because I've never heard of it before. Apparently, the term is only associated to Florida.

 

[Beautifulletdown]

I had to google Baker Acting because I've never heard of it before. Apparently, the term is only associated to Florida.

Correct.

 

[BipolarExpat]

had it done to me by my significant other

Sorry :(

When was that and how long were you in there?

 

[Jessica5]

I had to google Baker Acting because I've never heard of it before. Apparently, the term is only associated to Florida.

It's sometimes applied to other states too.

 

[Bagger]

Just had that happen to me in May. It sucked to have 6 police cars show up after contacting a crisis line. Then stuck with a hospital bill. Yeah, the system blows.

Omg. What u tell them? U are armed and dangerous, or it was some hostage situation? It suck so much. 6 units for suicidal is hard blow.

 

[Beautifulletdown]

It's sometimes applied to other states too.

Honestly, I've not heard it used in other states. That's interesting to know.

Omg. What u tell them? U are armed and dangerous, or it was some hostage situation? It suck so much. 6 units for suicidal is hard blow.

No, I was sitting in my car at a coffee place here in the states when I contacted the crisis line to speak with someone. I gotta donut and coffee to try to calm myself as recommended by the shitty crisis line. They found my information from my phone. I don't put on the location unless I have to now. I think the issue with police here in the United States is the assumption all people with mental illnesses are violent.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

It yet another euphemism to justify the government breaking their own laws if you involuntary commit someone then it´s kidnapping and if they force a person to take drugs it´s just insane and any other citizen who did they same to a person would be locked up for a long time but of course governments will make themselves look like the good guys and have a politcal word for it 'Bakers act' smh..

 

[Neville1]

They found my information from my phone. I don't put on the location unless I have to now.

Turning off your location doesn't hide you from LE. It only removes access by apps on your phone. Also your phone number is logged.

Possibly the only safe action is to not call them.

Maybe foolishly I would expect that one would only be committed/sectioned if expressing a desire to ctb at the moment and having the means. Weren't you informed of the reasons for being committed? Did LE make the determination?

 

[Roger]

I think the issue with police here in the United States is the assumption all people with mental illnesses are violent.

Well. it seems to be true in their own case.
Baker Acting > /UK Talk/ > "Sectioning"

 

[Beautifulletdown]

Turning off your location doesn't hide you from LE. It only removes access by apps on your phone. Also your phone number is logged.

Possibly the only safe action is to not call them.

Maybe foolishly I would expect that one would only be committed/sectioned if expressing a desire to ctb at the moment and having the means. Weren't you informed of the reasons for being committed? Did LE make the determination?

Well, it makes me feel better to keep it off even if it doesn't make much of a difference. They didnt know whether I had the means or not. Although I didnt fight or resist the and went voluntarily the police still told told the hospital it was involuntarily. It was suicidal ideation not attempt because I hadn't done anything.

 

[Mbound]

Just had that happen to me in May. It sucked to have 6 police cars show up after contacting a crisis line. Then stuck with a hospital bill. Yeah, the system blows.

Absolutely mindblowing how you can be billed for """medical care""" that you explicitly did not ask for/consent to. Id send that bill back with a big "fuck you" written at the top.

 

[woxihuanni]

When I little, mother would threaten me with it if she did not agree with whatever I wanted. We're not talking suicide or even depression, just random disagreements about petty stuff.

Dear Lord, I think any sensible and sensitive person who gets by in America deserves kudos. The entire thing is the idea of my very own personal hell.

 

[OverItAll]

Absolutely mindblowing how you can be billed for """medical care""" that you explicitly did not ask for/consent to. Id send that bill back with a big "fuck you" written at the top.

My initial thoughts also - I'd be like "Show me the contract I signed agreeing to pay for this? Oh you can't? In that case, get fucked!".

 

[oopswronglife]

I just don't understand what psychiatry has against bakers. They make delicious pastries and things.

 

[SelfHatingAspie]

Just had that happen to me in May. It sucked to have 6 police cars show up after contacting a crisis line. Then stuck with a hospital bill. Yeah, the system blows.

Fuck America. Seriously. I'm surprised more people over there don't try to ctb.

 

[oopswronglife]

My initial thoughts also - I'd be like "Show me the contract I signed agreeing to pay for this? Oh you can't? In that case, get fucked!".

You won't win that one. They will send you to a collections agency...ruin your credit...harrass you for the rest if your life over the debt. For some reason it's not illegal to post bill for services and patients are obligated to pay no matter if they agreed or not and no matter if its 100x more than they told you. In most countries you find out costs and pay ahead of time if you are using a private system, or you are in a social system and its not an issue.

 

[Beautifulletdown]

Fuck America. Seriously. I'm surprised more people over there don't try to ctb.

Well life expectancy has gone down here and there has been an increase in suicides if I'm not mistaken.

 

[SelfHatingAspie]

Well life expectancy has gone down here and there has been an increase in suicides if I'm not mistaken.

Makes sense.

 

[justanotherday]

Honestly, I've not heard it used in other states. That's interesting to know.


No, I was sitting in my car at a coffee place here in the states when I contacted the crisis line to speak with someone. I gotta donut and coffee to try to calm myself as recommended by the shitty crisis line. They found my information from my phone. I don't put on the location unless I have to now. I think the issue with police here in the United States is the assumption all people with mental illnesses are violent.

I once mentioned to a friend( no longer my pal) that I did not want to be on the planet and was very depressed. She had the police come to my place. They knocked on my door, but I wasn't at home thank god, and they went on. My ex- pal told me she had done this . I asked her why because I didn't say I had any real plans on doing anything. She said she didn't want to take any chances.

 

[Partial-Elf]

Somehow I got onto watching therapist training videos for identifying suicidal thoughts. Here's an example where he ends up baker acting her:



I just don't get it, I side with her logic so much more than his. What would he argue is the point of continuing to live when she no longer wants to? How does he justify overriding her autonomy when she's in such a significant degree of pain?

He doesn't say, but it seems to be based in a condescending and almost religious belief that her suffering is invalid and that life is inherently valuable no matter what... which it's not.

 

[TAW122]

Somehow I got onto watching therapist training videos for identifying suicidal thoughts. Here's an example where he ends up baker acting her:



I just don't get it, I side with her logic so much more than his. What would he argue is the point of continuing to live when she no longer wants to? How does he justify overriding her autonomy when she's in such a significant degree of pain?

He doesn't say, but it seems to be based in a condescending and almost religious belief that her suffering is invalid and that life is inherently valuable no matter what... which it's not.

Ugh, that really sucks, the way that the psychologist/therapist/mental health professional is interrogating the patient. Utterly disgusting, and now that wrongthink is basis for involuntary commitment. This is scary. I've lost faith in the psychiatry field and mental health field in general. Also, not to mention the condescending, invalidation of her suffering (real problems - stemming from the loss of job, thus loss of income which will affect everything else, like keeping the bills paid, keeping the mortage paid, and basic needs, etc.). It all seems like he just wants her to say something incriminating or keep probing until she shows evidence of suicidal intent, in order to get locked up. The scariest part is how these professionals are sussing out every possible response that "could" lead up to suicide and then use that as a pretense to lock someone up. There is also no point where this guy attempted to solve the (immediate) problems that she was facing, which is utterly a fucking joke. I believe the patient is being really logical and rational by emphasizing the root cause of the problems that lead her into the situation that she is now. All he focused on is the pain she is going through and generally not being helpful while being dismissive of her entire plight.

Obviously, this was scripted, but still I don't see how is locking up someone against their will, not solving the situation that caused her hopelessness, desperation will help her afterwards. Sure, she gets locked up for 5-10 days, and then what? She would not have had a new job, her bills won't automatically pay themselves, the problems that she was facing are still there, then on top of that, she has hospital bills from the involuntary stay. I'd KMS if I was put through that situation, or at least say fuck it and do whatever because when someone crosses the line like that, any respect, dignity, morals, ethics, I ever had for that person are long gone. If they cannot respect my choice to die and in fact, actually make a situation even worse than before, then I've got nothing left to lose. Can't be allowed to die on my own terms, may as well make them suffer while I'm alive (I'm pro revenge but that's another topic). Idgaf about consequences then, legally, morally, etc., I mean if I am going to be punished for something that is essentially a non-crime (legally speaking), might as well hell with it, got nothing to lose.

Then what is essentially rage fuel is how people defend the actions of this psychologist saying that what he did was right and heroic. These scumbag apologists have no idea (or deliberately choose to be ignorant) of how much damage that guy did to the patient. Sure, let's ignore the root causes of the drinking, hopelessness, and rock-bottom feeling, and just probe into the drinking problem and keep asking invasive and possibly condemning questions in order to build enough evidence to actually section (lock up) her to the psych ward. That will surely make her life better and she will really change her thinking and she will be so grateful to have to pay for this shitty treatment forced on her, and magically all her problems are solved! /s Fucking psychapologists (if that is even a 'word'). For as long as I live, I will NEVER admit to suicidal plans, thoughts, ideations, or even broach the topic of death/suicide, especially with a mental health professional, psychologist/therapist, or doctor. Hell, I would even avoid going to them in the first place because they are just going to blue-pill me, guilt and shame me into accepting the groupthink "life is good" and if I don't subscribe to their viewpoint, then I must be irrational or ill. I am also fucking pissed at how this is constitutional and legal for the government and the doctors to do this. What a fucking sham. There is so much more that is wrong, but this is more than enough to digest and ponder about.

Anyways rant end, but this is the scary world we live in and while I would never publicly (at least not now) say how much the US sucks in many regards including the fucked up health care system and more. I do not wish to support such a cucked country in terms of the way it treats it's citizens and people. Oh we got free speech, 99 million other freedoms, (insert other pro-US statement/patriotism), yeah sure buddy, greatest/freest country in the world my fucking ass. I hope that someday I will move to a different country and not support a faux society of oligarchies and lies. I am also disgusted at how people bellow out how much freedom our country has, yet treats the suicidal and the dissidents like 3rd world scum or terrorists.

 

[OverItAll]

You won't win that one. They will send you to a collections agency...ruin your credit...harrass you for the rest if your life over the debt. For some reason it's not illegal to post bill for services and patients are obligated to pay no matter if they agreed or not and no matter if its 100x more than they told you. In most countries you find out costs and pay ahead of time if you are using a private system, or you are in a social system and its not an issue.

Well that definitely sucks. Here in NZ, you could pursue them under the Privacy Act for releasing your details to a third party without your consent (the debt collection agency). And then advise the debt collectors that it is under dispute, then they can't fuck up your credit rating until whoever lodged the debt with them takes you to court and gets an order in their favour. Consumer protection laws are pretty decent here.

 

[Partial-Elf]

Ugh, that really sucks, the way that the psychologist/therapist/mental health professional is interrogating the patient. Utterly disgusting, and now that wrongthink is basis for involuntary commitment. This is scary. I've lost faith in the psychiatry field and mental health field in general. Also, not to mention the condescending, invalidation of her suffering (real problems - stemming from the loss of job, thus loss of income which will affect everything else, like keeping the bills paid, keeping the mortage paid, and basic needs, etc.). It all seems like he just wants her to say something incriminating or keep probing until she shows evidence of suicidal intent, in order to get locked up. The scariest part is how these professionals are sussing out every possible response that "could" lead up to suicide and then use that as a pretense to lock someone up. There is also no point where this guy attempted to solve the (immediate) problems that she was facing, which is utterly a fucking joke. I believe the patient is being really logical and rational by emphasizing the root cause of the problems that lead her into the situation that she is now. All he focused on is the pain she is going through and generally not being helpful while being dismissive of her entire plight.

Obviously, this was scripted, but still I don't see how is locking up someone against their will, not solving the situation that caused her hopelessness, desperation will help her afterwards. Sure, she gets locked up for 5-10 days, and then what? She would not have had a new job, her bills won't automatically pay themselves, the problems that she was facing are still there, then on top of that, she has hospital bills from the involuntary stay. I'd KMS if I was put through that situation, or at least say fuck it and do whatever because when someone crosses the line like that, any respect, dignity, morals, ethics, I ever had for that person are long gone. If they cannot respect my choice to die and in fact, actually make a situation even worse than before, then I've got nothing left to lose. Can't be allowed to die on my own terms, may as well make them suffer while I'm alive (I'm pro revenge but that's another topic). Idgaf about consequences then, legally, morally, etc., I mean if I am going to be punished for something that is essentially a non-crime (legally speaking), might as well hell with it, got nothing to lose.

Then what is essentially rage fuel is how people defend the actions of this psychologist saying that what he did was right and heroic. These scumbag apologists have no idea (or deliberately choose to be ignorant) of how much damage that guy did to the patient. Sure, let's ignore the root causes of the drinking, hopelessness, and rock-bottom feeling, and just probe into the drinking problem and keep asking invasive and possibly condemning questions in order to build enough evidence to actually section (lock up) her to the psych ward. That will surely make her life better and she will really change her thinking and she will be so grateful to have to pay for this shitty treatment forced on her, and magically all her problems are solved! /s Fucking psychapologists (if that is even a 'word'). For as long as I live, I will NEVER admit to suicidal plans, thoughts, ideations, or even broach the topic of death/suicide, especially with a mental health professional, psychologist/therapist, or doctor. Hell, I would even avoid going to them in the first place because they are just going to blue-pill me, guilt and shame me into accepting the groupthink "life is good" and if I don't subscribe to their viewpoint, then I must be irrational or ill. I am also fucking pissed at how this is constitutional and legal for the government and the doctors to do this. What a fucking sham. There is so much more that is wrong, but this is more than enough to digest and ponder about.

Anyways rant end, but this is the scary world we live in and while I would never publicly (at least not now) say how much the US sucks in many regards including the fucked up health care system and more. I do not wish to support such a cucked country in terms of the way it treats it's citizens and people. Oh we got free speech, 99 million other freedoms, (insert other pro-US statement/patriotism), yeah sure buddy, greatest/freest country in the world my fucking ass. I hope that someday I will move to a different country and not support a faux society of oligarchies and lies. I am also disgusted at how people bellow out how much freedom our country has, yet treats the suicidal and the dissidents like 3rd world scum or terrorists.

"What kind of things (do you need money to take care of)? So you're having trouble paying your bills?" God I got so PISSED when he asked her those questions.

Therapists do so much gaslighting. It's completely reasonable for someone to want to die under these circumstances but he causes her to question her own sanity and uses her depression/drinking to that end. That's the textbook definition of gaslighting. What rational person is like "well, I just lost my job and my house but shucks I am happy as can be and can't wait to try for a better tomorrow"...? Is that what they would call normal?

And then I was beyond pissed at his "I'm going to stop you (from killing yourself)". What a smug asshole. Also his point that "I bet you won't be feeling like this in a week." Motherfucker I've felt like this for at least half of the past eight or nine years and the half I haven't felt that way has still had me feeling depressed... just not actively suicidal.

And I find it so frustrating as you said that they're going to provide her no help with her house or job situation. "We're just gonna get her on the right med then she'll love life enough to overcome all those issues plus the bill for the involuntary commitment..." what?

 

[Wolfjob_dayjob]

And then I was beyond pissed at his "I'm going to stop you (from killing yourself)". What a smug asshole. Also his point that "I bet you won't be feeling like this in a week." Motherfucker I've felt like this for at least half of the past eight or nine years and the half I haven't felt that way has still had me feeling depressed... just not actively suicidal.

I find it terrifying the prospect of getting sectioned, being re-victimized (like beyond the normal dehumanizing milieu, like target abuse or sexual assault again) then professionals gas-lighting me about the trauma again..