Discussion Is there anyone here who tried liquid N but was unsuccessful?

[Blackjack]

Is there anyone here who tried (or personally knows someone who tried) liquid N but was unsuccessful?

If Yes, what went wrong? What would you have done differently? Just want to make sure I don't fuck it up if/when the time comes.

And what is the widely accepted lethal dose of liquid N?

 

[Sirius]

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[JimFord99]

Interesting question, I would like to know as well. I suspect N and alcohol won't lead to success ....

 

[Aliaiactaest]

Interesting question, I would like to know as well. I suspect N and alcohol won't lead to success

Why do you say that?

 

[DeathImminent]

Is there anyone here who tried liquid N but was unsuccessful? What went wrong? What would you have done differently? Just want to make sure I don't fuck it up if/when the time comes.

And what is the widely accepted lethal dose of liquid N?

doctor from ExitInternational said that 6g of N is enough to kill but they still prefer to use around 12g

 

[Asta]

The lethal dose of liquid should be 12.6 grams - two bottles. It's been posted many times that 1 bottle is NOT enough! A woman on Final Exit wrote that she used one bottle, woke up and was taken to the hospital. I suppose it's possible that she didn't give herself enough time before being found - hard to know, actually. Also, Nitschke stated that alcohol augments/enhances the effect.

 

[JimFord99]

Oh, it actually enhances the effect? Did not expect to hear that. What is the lethal dose of powder/tablet form, please?

 

[Asta]

15 grams of powder, as they use at Dignitas. Have not heard of N in tablet form, except in the old days when docs were prescribing it for sleeping.

 

[Mud.]

If you make sure you won't be found within a day, two bottles of liquid N. (12.6 grams of Pentobarbital) combined with a good Meto protocol is lethal for just about anybody. Only if you're above 90 kg or very tolerant (because of other medication), you might want to consider three bottles. But that's just a precaution.

In practice, I've never read/heard from any reliable source that someone failed to ctb after taking 2 bottles of N.

 

[calendulo]

One bottle is enough though. I have some reports about that.
3 grms dose lethal, multiply by 3 equal 9 grams. More than that is excessive.

In practice, I've never read/heard from any reliable source that someone failed to ctb after taking 2 bottles of N.

Me too. I have never read or heard from any reliable source that someone could takes 2 bottles of N.

 

[JimFord99]

I suppose the lethal dose depends on body weight?

 

[Mud.]

I suppose the lethal dose depends on body weight?

In theory.
12.6 grams is already an overdose on top of an overdose.
It just might take a little longer.

That's why you should always make sure you have the day for yourself.

@calendulo
The Dutch have upped the dose, now it's 14 or 15 grams I believe.
But it 's just to speed things up.

 

[JimFord99]

So, what you are saying is the more overdose one takes, the longer it takes to kill you but it certainly WILL kill you?

 

[Aliaiactaest]

From my general understanding...

1 bottle of 100ml = 6.3g N

1 bottle will suffice for a frail elderly person and may even suffice for a more robust person.

9mg per Oregon law. I would think this is a good figure because it was derived by doctors.

Most recommend closer to 12mg just to be safe. Obviously, sellers would rather sell 2 bottles than 1 bottle. Also, if deliverance is your goal, then the extra 3mg certainly isn't going to hurt.

Here is a website that claims 100ml will do for a person up to 180 lbs.

Lethal dose calculator - WITH DIGNITY

www.nembutalwithdignity.com

The issue seems to be how strong your body is and how much resistance you have built up to barbiturates.

 

[calendulo]

@calendulo
The Dutch have upped the dose, now it's 14 or 15 grams I believe.
But it 's just to speed things up.

I do not know who or what is The Dutch.

So far, all scientific literature I had seen says 9 grms is amount enough.
I have 20 forensic reports, less one or two cases though, rest took 1 bottle.
Yesterday, another report, a female took 1 grm or 1,5 grms and she was 48 hours under coma.

I am not going to take 12 grms or 200ml. I think that is very desperate.

 

[Aliaiactaest]

So far, all scientific literature I had seen says 9 grms is amount enough.

Can you cite to these scientific reports? Link?
IMO, the critical issuance is whether you have developed a tolerance or a cross-tolerance to barbiturates. Since barbiturates are no longer prescribed, any sort of direct tolerance is unlikely. I have read that benzodiazapenes and alcohol are both central nervous system depressants and therefore could potentially introduce some cross tolerance. I am a little bit worried about alcohol as I drink a reasonable amount and have pretty good tolerance, but am hardly a drunk. I just drink daily with dinner. So, not sure how to evaluate for myself.
Nitschke and Stewart3 state that the oral form of Nembutal sold in 100ml bottles (sterile bottles) at a concentration of 60mg per ml (i.e. 6 grams in a bottle) is enough to provide a peaceful death, although in some cases this can take up to 24 hours. For powdered Chinese Nembutal which is sold in higher quantities, 10grams dissolved in 50ml of water is suggested, and forum posts suggest this is a more reliable dose whilst also being easier to ingest. They recommend ceasing any other medications a few days before taking Nembutal. There is also non-sterile (green coloured) Nembutal that is concentrated 300mg per ml, in which case a 50ml sample equates to 15 grams, and is more than enough for a peaceful death. Compassion in Dying5 recommend 6g - 9g of Nembutal. Dignitas use 15 grams of a concentrated soluble form of Nembutal that can be swallowed in a few mouthfuls.3, 6

 

[calendulo]

Can you cite to these scientific reports? Link?

First. The final exit is mandatory, any person interested in self deliverance, must to read it.
Second. If you interested in wozz fundation guide, let me know and I upload you to mediafire.I can attach it.
Third. 20 success cases of death by sodium pentobarbitol.

Let me a while, I can look for you some report more. I think I have it in other HDD.

 

[arelia]

Lethal dose calculator - WITH DIGNITY

www.nembutalwithdignity.com

that website looks too good to be true for anyone trying to source it. Reading between the lines I can guess their set up but would have doubts about buying from them unless you're completely prepared to lose your money.

 

[Mud.]

I do not know who or what is The Dutch.

Dutch doctors.
in post #10, you linked to an article:
Quote: "Here is what Dutch doctors use today (1996) when assisting the suicide of a patient…"

 

[calendulo]

Can you cite to these scientific reports? Link?
IMO, the critical issuance is whether you have developed a tolerance or a cross-tolerance to barbiturates. Since barbiturates are no longer prescribed, any sort of direct tolerance is unlikely. I have read that benzodiazapenes and alcohol are both central nervous system depressants and therefore could potentially introduce some cross tolerance. I am a little bit worried about alcohol as I drink a reasonable amount and have pretty good tolerance, but am hardly a drunk. I just drink daily with dinner. So, not sure how to evaluate for myself.
Nitschke and Stewart3 state that the oral form of Nembutal sold in 100ml bottles (sterile bottles) at a concentration of 60mg per ml (i.e. 6 grams in a bottle) is enough to provide a peaceful death, although in some cases this can take up to 24 hours. For powdered Chinese Nembutal which is sold in higher quantities, 10grams dissolved in 50ml of water is suggested, and forum posts suggest this is a more reliable dose whilst also being easier to ingest. They recommend ceasing any other medications a few days before taking Nembutal. There is also non-sterile (green coloured) Nembutal that is concentrated 300mg per ml, in which case a 50ml sample equates to 15 grams, and is more than enough for a peaceful death. Compassion in Dying5 recommend 6g - 9g of Nembutal. Dignitas use 15 grams of a concentrated soluble form of Nembutal that can be swallowed in a few mouthfuls.3, 6

With all my respect I think peaceful pill handbook is not an accurate guide. It is not scientific to me.

 

[Aliaiactaest]

that website looks too good to be true for anyone trying to source it. Reading between the lines I can guess their set up but would have doubts about buying from them unless you're completely prepared to lose your money.

Agreed. Would not buy from them.

 

[Mud.]

That website is a scam.

 

[calendulo]

Dutch doctors.
in post #10, you linked to an article:
Quote: "Here is what Dutch doctors use today (1996) when assisting the suicide of a patient…"

Yes, understood.......literally from the final exit. You mean Dutch farmacology society or something like this....
Of course, all information came from assisted suicide.

I do not know if they have changed their guidelines about doses, I am not so updated....

 

[Aliaiactaest]

Third. 20 success cases of death by sodium pentobarbitol.

It would seem that 10mg/l concentration is sufficient. So, assuming a 150 lb man has 5 liters of blood, you would need only 5g to achieve that concentration. In other words, one bottle should do.

I am coming to the conclusion that one bottle, plus a good dose of alcohol, will probably do the trick But 1.5 to 2.0 bottles is probably safer.

 

[calendulo]

It would seem that 10mg/l concentration is sufficient. So, assuming a 150 lb man has 5 liters of blood, you would need only 5g to achieve that concentration. In other words, one bottle should do.

I am coming to the conclusion that one bottle, plus a good dose of alcohol, will probably do the trick But 1.5 to 2.0 bottles is probably safer.

This report is very good, It have everything about, ages, concentrations, prescriptions, even suicide scene.
Thanks to Ontario Coroner's Office.
One bottle, safer One bottle and a half.
9 grams is much sodium pentobarbitol.
To be honest, I am scared about throw up it. I fear throw up, just think about it make me sick.

 

[Sirius]

So a 210 Lbs person, history of alcohol use should stick with 2 100ml bottles?

 

[calendulo]

So a 210 Lbs person, history of alcohol use should stick with 2 100ml bottles?

He/She could use 2 bottles, but IMHO one is enough whichever were her/him personal particulars.
Whoever wanted use 2 N, fine too.

 

[khw777]

He/She could use 2 bottles, but IMHO one is enough whichever were her/him personal particulars.
Whoever wanted use 2 N, fine too.

You're also supposed to take anti vomit medication with it to succeed.