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So, as some of you may know I have severe anxiety and depression most of which come from my job and self-loathing. As I have been taking venalafaxine for the past month my depression got a little better but my anxiety is still raging like a bull every day to a point at which I am again going back to my suicidal thoughts. I am taking chlorprotexin for the anxiety but I don't know if it helps me or not.
What I managed to see when I have a "bright" episode of clarity is that actually not giving a fuck about work/problems does wonders to my mental health :D Problem is I can't seem to control when I don't give a fuck. So my question to you guys is: Have any of you found a way to not give a fuck about their problems that works?
P.S I am sorry if my post is not written well, my brain fog is killing me
 
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This is the million-dollar question, isn't it? I envy people who are capable of this. My best friend, one of very few I have left, is basically in the same life situation as me, minus bipolar disorder, and he doesn't give a millionth of a fuck. I don't know how he does it. If anyone can answer this question, I would very much like to hear it.
 
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If i could kill myself anytime, reliably and instantly - like a switch, a magic button, then i could have this luxury of not giving any fucks whatsoever! Its like a superpower:)
 
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This is the million-dollar question, isn't it? I envy people who are capable of this. My best friend, one of very few I have left, is basically in the same life situation as me, minus bipolar disorder, and he doesn't give a millionth of a fuck. I don't know how he does it. If anyone can answer this question, I would very much like to hear it.

I know what you mean - I also have one such friend. He is in even worse position than me but it's like he doesn't give a fuck about it. He laughs and jokes all the time, he is not bothered by nothing and that's just so amusing to me. I guess some people are like that.
If i could kill myself anytime, reliably and instantly - like a switch, a magic button, then i could have this luxury of not giving any fucks whatsoever! Its like a superpower:)

I guess having such an option would be reassuring but what if you actually want to live and experience life? Just leave the shit out of it? Knowing that you can CTB at any time then would mean that you won't ever feel good again.
 
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I admire people who don't give a fuck about things they shouldn't (Miriam Margoles) and not ones who don't give a fuck about things they should (Donald Trump)
 
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I admire people who don't give a fuck about things they shouldn't (Miriam Margoles) and not ones who don't give a fuck about things they should (Donald Trump)
I agree, but who's to decide what should be given a fuck about and what isn't? Certainly not you or me. This is one of the reasons I believe in anarchy(no governments/hierarchies)
 
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I know there's a good answer but I'm too depressed. Is it your problem or theirs? Of course not everyone's going to agree because they're arseholes but that's basically what it comes down to
 
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Prozac made me not care about anything. But these drugs usually suffer from tolerance effects and change your metabolism for the worse, so that's not a good solution. It worked for a while though. Bad stuff happened to me and I just shrugged it off and got on with stuff.
 
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Prozac made me not care about anything. But these drugs usually suffer from tolerance effects and change your metabolism for the worse, so that's not a good solution. It worked for a while though. Bad stuff happened to me and I just shrugged it off and got on with stuff.

I could use something like that, but I doubt my therapis will prescribe such a med at least for now. What happened when you stopped using them? Did you suffer some withdrawal symptoms? Did your anxiety worsen?
 
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I didn't suffer withdrawl. But I took SSRIs for many years and I believe they have contributed to why I am here now.

These medications may or may not help in the short term.
There are 'side effects' in the short term.
And they WILL have long term implications for your health. Those long term 'side effects' are profound changes to your metabolism that are cumulative over time. Things like sexual problems and weight gain are all due to hormonal changes, some of which it may be impossible to reverse. They don't just happen though - the weight gain is arguably because SSRIs change your glucose metabolism, eventually resulting in diabetes. The doc may slate this, but do your own research and you will find studies that may support it.
Medications like this are not an answer to anyone's problems, but they may offer some short term relief at the cost of long term complications.
And you should be aware that they suffer from tolerance effects. Eventually, for many (though not all) they stop working.

By all means ask your doc to prescribe an SSRI but be aware of the potential consequences and be aware that they will argue that the benefit outweighs the risk. This is not always the case, it's different for each individual. If you blindly take whatever the doc prescribes to you without further research or questions then you are an idiot.
 
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I didn't suffer withdrawl. But I took SSRIs for many years and I believe they have contributed to why I am here now.

These medications may or may not help in the short term.
There are 'side effects' in the short term.
And they WILL have long term implications for your health. Those long term 'side effects' are profound changes to your metabolism that are cumulative over time. Things like sexual problems and weight gain are all due to hormonal changes, some of which it may be impossible to reverse. They don't just happen though - the weight gain is arguably because SSRIs change your glucose metabolism, eventually resulting in diabetes. The doc may slate this, but do your own research and you will find studies that may support it.
Medications like this are not an answer to anyone's problems, but they may offer some short term relief at the cost of long term complications.
And you should be aware that they suffer from tolerance effects. Eventually, for many (though not all) they stop working.

By all means ask your doc to prescribe an SSRI but be aware of the potential consequences and be aware that they will argue that the benefit outweighs the risk. This is not always the case, it's different for each individual. If you blindly take whatever the doc prescribes to you without further research or questions then you are an idiot.

Thank you for answering me. I did research what my doc prescribed me and I don't think there are a lot of risks with it. I am aware that taking a strong antidepressant may have a lasting negative effect on me but I just need an exit from my anxiety prison and I am willing to try anything. My next appointment with my doc is on the 13th, I hope the increased med dosage from last time (2 days) ago will help me.
 
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Thank you for answering me. I did research what my doc prescribed me and I don't think there are a lot of risks with it. I am aware that taking a strong antidepressant may have a lasting negative effect on me but I just need an exit from my anxiety prison and I am willing to try anything. My next appointment with my doc is on the 13th, I hope the increased med dosage from last time (2 days) ago will help me.
It is absolutely your prerogative and if you have done your due diligence then you will chose whatever you think is best.
 
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Dont give a fuck as the world collapses around you...

Give a fuck and go overboard and make your mind state worse.

Find middle ground,where you just dont give a fuck but do.That middle ground is hard to find,wish I could show it on a map..But still aint sure I found it yet.
 
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ArtsyDrawer

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Nov 8, 2018
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I'm slowly losing my ability to give a fuck at a relatively young age, and I think it's because of those "mindfulness walks" my therapist taught me.
The idea is simple, but actually pulling it off isn't.
I guess part of the success of the "mindfulness walks" can be attributed to the fact I already did that sort of thing, but in another form.
First, I will describe my form, then, my therapist's.

The need came out of my sleeping issues that are their own kind of weird. I should note - that happens fairly late at night, so my body wants to sleep, but my brain won't let it.
What I do in this scenario is I get dressed, take my cigs, my bottle of water, and my phone, and go out for the walk. Once I'm officially out of the property (another note - I live in a sort of she'd behind my landlord, not an actual house), meaning having just passed the gate, I set a countdown timer for half of the time I want the walk to last. 30 minutes is enough for the most part, so I set the timer for 15 minutes.
I light up a cig and in this half-asleep-half-awake state I "walk". It's less of an actual walk and probably looks more like a zombie shuffle, but I digress.
I relax my body "manually" as if I'm trying to fall asleep while walking.
Part of the issue is that my brain is basically losing its shit and thinking of a ton of random, intertwined shit. It "sounds" kind of like this: "it is cold oh no it is cold and I took the brown hoodie I should have worn two pairs of pants and the pajamas top too now I am cold fuck it I am doing this even if it is cold fuck it oh there's a cat over there I still want to pee wouldn't it be funny if I pissed on that cat haha it would be pissed off or pissed ON hahaha pissed ON this joke is lame..."
Sort of like a parrot on pretty much all drugs known to man. At the same time. After some time, usually about 10 minutes in the brain runs out of shit to think of and calms down. It's finally mental silence. I keep walking. About 5 minutes more and the phone rings, briefly awakening me from the zombie shuffle state. I take it out, turn the ringing off, take another cig and turn around. So far I have walked 15 minutes in one direction.
The next 15 minutes go through with mental silence, some yawning and very mild "waking up" just to take another drag. My cravings may be higher, so I might light up another cig.

Pros: once I'm home, I WILL fall asleep. No guarantee I will sleep through what's left of the night and not need another zombie-walk, but I will at least be able to take a nap.​
Cons: I look high as fuck evident by how many times a very particular pair of cops (who later revealed it is only them who are assigned to patrol the neighborhood) occasionally bump into me. We've developed a sort of automated routine where I don't need to pull out my ID anymore.​
My therapist's idea is different and requires a little more concentration. This type of walk can be done at any time of the day. For this I need my water, clothes, cigs, and phone again.
Again, I set a countdown, but this time for an hour. Walking time will be two hours.
This time, however, I divide my concentration into 1% my brain's rambling, 1% for not ramming into somebody, and 98% my feet.
For this I need either a very long route that is as straight as possible, or I just go to work and turn around half way.
The idea here is to block out the world and care only for your feet. Again, mild zombieness occurs.


Pros: can be done at any time of the day, doesn't look weird, great time killer, great for staying awake when preparing for a sleep deprived EEG.​
Cons: overdoing it will absolutely fuck up your knees, as I've learned some months ago preparing for the aforementioned sleep deprived EEG!​
Then again, walking for 36 hours straight would fuck up anybody's knees.​
After doing the second type, the one "prescribed" by my therapist, I've noticed I'm starting to develop an absurd level of apathy towards what I don't actively care for.
While goodbye threads, for example, still kick like a mule, pretty much anything else is met with a Sigh Of Acknowledgement (tm), saying "I acknowledge that you exist, I don't care that you exist."
 
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avoid_slow_death

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Basically, you shut all things out little by little. First, you stop caring for people you don't know at all. Ignore conversations, don't pay attention to local, national and world events. Then, start ignoring associates such as co-workers and others you know on a professional level. Only respond to incidents related to the situation, nothing more. The next part is harder. You must shut out close friends and family members outside your immediate. Ignore their questions about how you feel or tell them you are fine. After a while they will stop asking. Then, shut out their lives and needs completely. Lastly, you must stop caring about yourself. Put yourself on auto pilot and just do what you need to do to survive. The downside to all this though is it can lead you to some very dark places and you might find yourself doing so very self destructive things you thought you were not capable of. Choice is yours how far to go.
 
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I think it's highly personalized for each person. Once I was in a shitty situation for long enough, I kind of got complacent with it. I've stopped giving a fuck about myself basically. After failing so many times, no amount of mental gymnastics could convince me that I'll get it right next time. I wouldn't go as far to say I dont care about anything, just not me personally.

There is a quote I quite like that goes "worrying is like a rocking chair. You go back an forth, back and forth..but never get anywhere"

It's a decent mentality. At the end of the day I'm able to just shut off. I'm not a happy person, but I've gotten pretty good at just living day to day and rolling with whatever is thrown at me.
 
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Rollo

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So, as some of you may know I have severe anxiety and depression most of which come from my job and self-loathing. As I have been taking venalafaxine for the past month my depression got a little better but my anxiety is still raging like a bull every day to a point at which I am again going back to my suicidal thoughts. I am taking chlorprotexin for the anxiety but I don't know if it helps me or not.
What I managed to see when I have a "bright" episode of clarity is that actually not giving a fuck about work/problems does wonders to my mental health :D Problem is I can't seem to control when I don't give a fuck. So my question to you guys is: Have any of you found a way to not give a fuck about their problems that works?
P.S I am sorry if my post is not written well, my brain fog is killing me

From one hand no there's no way cause 'giving a fuck' means achieving and maintaining certain things, like money, and it's important to you. So if you see something as a problem then it's synonymous with you giving a fuck about it. No way around it. On the other hand 'giving a fuck' also means control. And it's up to you to choose to either control or not control something. To choose the amount of control. So here 'not giving a fuck' would mean for you to let go of a certain types and amount of control. But every time you let go of control - you risk. So the question is whether you find it acceptable to take a risk.

Say you have a problem at work. At every given moment, even when you're in your bathtub, you have a choice whether to think about this problem, about how to solve it, possible implications etc or to spend your energy otherwise like just enjoying the shower or thinking about some other stuff. But once you made a choice to stop thinking about it, to stop giving a fuck about it if you wish, you basically made a choice to let the thing run it's course at this moment. You accepted that problem may go unsolved, with whatever ramnifications it may bring. And it's a kinda serious choice.
 
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randomz

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Thank you all for posting on my thread. I realise that stopping caring about anything in this world is hard and maybe wrong but I just want some peace of mind from all the anxiety, that's all. I wish I could just tell my mind to have a break every now and then. Thank you all again :))
 
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pole

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it's possible honestly.

i believe a person who keeps going through and through things in life will get to a point where they become numb; and they won't be able to feel or care about anything and anyone. just numb, nothingness. emptiness.

i'm not there yet, but honestly, i hope i get to this point in life where i simply become numb. and just don't care anymore about anyone or anything.
 
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It's a matter of philosophy and psychology. Some naturally are less sensitive to their surroundings and/or circumstances, and vice versa. The solution would be to desensitize yourself, practice stoicism, or just not let things effect you. When something negative happens, block it out. Think of something positive, eating ice cream for instance. Practice perspective, how does it effect you in the bigger picture of things? It doesn't. If it doesn't effect you, why cry over something so insignificant? A bad grade won't ruin graduation by itself, so why get upset? Take it in stride and make things better! Good luck.
 
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I think possible a way to maybe do this is to be stoic. This is a philosophical idea.

Stoic (ive pasted the following from online)- Being stoic is being calm and almost without any emotion. When you're stoic, you don't show what you're feeling and you also accept whatever is happening. The noun stoic is aperson who's not very emotional.

The Stoics differentiated between 'good', 'bad', and 'indifferent' things. The good things include the cardinal virtues wisdom, justice, courage, and self-discipline. The bad things include the opposites of these virtues, namely the four vices folly, injustice, cowardice, and indulgence

Maybe we cannot truly shut off because we still feel possible dead/empty inside , to me that's still a feeling .

Could it be just acceptance of life and good and bad and not being so attached to things, people and outcomes

I guess it's not easy. People for example can be very difficult and hurtful. For example childhood trauma changes for brain chemistry so learning to deal with that first and not being triggered needs to be worked on first.

I don't know just my thoughts I could be talking cr*p lol
 
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Alcoholism...
 
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Quality cannabis is the most effective thing for me. Antidepressants make me disconnected, almost like I'm living life in the third person.
 
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If you blindly take whatever the doc prescribes to you without further research or questions then you are an idiot.

Or maybe... you just don't give a fuck. :wink:

Also, to answer @randomz 's question, I think there probably is a way, but I don't really know what that is. As far as short term solutions, I've found that smoking a joint can help to not give a fuck after the fact, but it doesn't really help during a stressful situation. That is the best solution I can offer, unfortunately, but hopefully you can find something that works better.
 
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My "Give A Fuck" button broke a few years ago. I never bothered getting it replaced.
 
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I think possible a way to maybe do this is to be stoic. This is a philosophical idea.

Stoic (ive pasted the following from online)- Being stoic is being calm and almost without any emotion. When you're stoic, you don't show what you're feeling and you also accept whatever is happening. The noun stoic is aperson who's not very emotional.

The Stoics differentiated between 'good', 'bad', and 'indifferent' things. The good things include the cardinal virtues wisdom, justice, courage, and self-discipline. The bad things include the opposites of these virtues, namely the four vices folly, injustice, cowardice, and indulgence

Maybe we cannot truly shut off because we still feel possible dead/empty inside , to me that's still a feeling .

Could it be just acceptance of life and good and bad and not being so attached to things, people and outcomes

I guess it's not easy. People for example can be very difficult and hurtful. For example childhood trauma changes for brain chemistry so learning to deal with that first and not being triggered needs to be worked on first.

I don't know just my thoughts I could be talking cr*p lol

The problem I see with such a philosophy is it's kinda cartoonish. To become totally emotionless, indifferent. It's an oversimplification. Sometimes it's healthy to be indifferent/emotionless/calm, sometimes it's not. To accept whatever is happening is a good idea. But to never show what you're feeling? I mean sometimes you need to hide what you're feeling, like when you're in some hostile enviroment where showing what you're feeling can get you killed or something. But being genuine and not hiding anything is great and to hide and pretend for no particular reason, like when you're with a friend, is not a healthy thing to do.
 
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Different things work for different people, there never is a one size for all for any given problem like this. Psychological problems can be caused by physical things like lack of sleep or inadequate quality of diet or wrong exercise habits, just as well as psychological factors like social environment and doing the kind of job that's not your calling.

Symptomatic solutions like pills are good for coping and staying on surface to wait for better times, but that's a gamble. Addressing the root causes is more stressful and takes more effort, but you come out stronger and happier once you get it right. To get it right, you gotta see the root cause clearly, and to find the appropriate cures and be consistent about taking the steps to cure it. There are different root causes for any given problem, though there's usually the same underlying pattern behind them, which you could call the same root cause. And same root causes different sets of symptoms with different people, depending on your individuality. Excessive chronic stress = psychosis to some, anxiety to some, bipolar to some, depression to some, internal organ failure to some, neurological symptoms to some, etc.

Getting the basics right, like sleeping and eating well and living the kind of basic life that satisfied your physical and psychological needs, covers a lot of bases. Oftentimes people look for fancy solutions and technology and easy solutions but don't fix the basics nor things that are wrong in their life, and that is what causes non-optimal function of mind and body to persist in one form or another, which in turn causes the feeling of unhappiness.

TLDR: you gotta find what works for you long-term and doesn't just make you settle but improves things, if you want to get an improvement and not just live the same crap until you die.
 
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randomz

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Quality cannabis is the most effective thing for me. Antidepressants make me disconnected, almost like I'm living life in the third person.

The part about ADs making you feel "disconnected" sounds fine to me. I'd love something like that but what I take - venlafaxine and chlorprotexine seem to not work in such way - I hardly feel a change anymore.
Different things work for different people, there never is a one size for all for any given problem like this. Psychological problems can be caused by physical things like lack of sleep or inadequate quality of diet or wrong exercise habits, just as well as psychological factors like social environment and doing the kind of job that's not your calling.

Symptomatic solutions like pills are good for coping and staying on surface to wait for better times, but that's a gamble. Addressing the root causes is more stressful and takes more effort, but you come out stronger and happier once you get it right. To get it right, you gotta see the root cause clearly, and to find the appropriate cures and be consistent about taking the steps to cure it. There are different root causes for any given problem, though there's usually the same underlying pattern behind them, which you could call the same root cause. And same root causes different sets of symptoms with different people, depending on your individuality. Excessive chronic stress = psychosis to some, anxiety to some, bipolar to some, depression to some, internal organ failure to some, neurological symptoms to some, etc.

Getting the basics right, like sleeping and eating well and living the kind of basic life that satisfied your physical and psychological needs, covers a lot of bases. Oftentimes people look for fancy solutions and technology and easy solutions but don't fix the basics nor things that are wrong in their life, and that is what causes non-optimal function of mind and body to persist in one form or another, which in turn causes the feeling of unhappiness.

TLDR: you gotta find what works for you long-term and doesn't just make you settle but improves things, if you want to get an improvement and not just live the same crap until you die.

You are absolutely right. I think I know my root cause - my job which is a major stressfull factor. BUt due to some complications and the fact that I have no idea what I could be doing if I leave it, I can't just quit. The very idea of quitting fills me with so much fear and dread that it sends me down the spiral of depression big time. Staying on my job is a hell each day though. I feel like a complete and utter failure in life for feeling this way.

P.S Thank you again to everyone who answered my thread.
 
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When you wake up every morning say, "Today I will give one less fuck than I gave yesterday." When you notice it's working, start the following morning with, "Today I will give two less fucks than I gave yesterday." Etc.

:heart:
 
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I wouldn't say I've given up worldly cares, but they're slowly losing their hold.

That couldn't have happened until two things:
  • I saw, very clearly, the nonsense in any worldview other than nihilism.
  • I came to appreciate the home that I've built for myself by finding comfort all my life in solitude, and I suddenly realized that my home is really the ultimate solitude: death itself. And my home of solitude has a timeless quality where regrets don't exist.
 
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