Is suicide self-justified?

[AsexualBarbieBoy]

As in, does suicide require any further justification?

If someone kills themselves, they are demonstrating that they cannot handle life. Arguing that someone should not have killed themselves because they could have managed life misses the fact that the person DID the act already. If they were capable of dealing with life they wouldn't have killed themselves i.e. someone killing themselves is proof that they should have killed themselves because if they had the constitution to deal with life they wouldn't have killed themselves.

I hope you get my point.

 

[wendydong1]

I sleep for an hour, wake up trembling and everything flooding back to me...I don't know how long I can handle this...

 

[AsexualBarbieBoy]

I sleep for an hour, wake up trembling and everything flooding back to me...I don't know how long I can handle this...

Why does it all have to be so hard?

 

[GrantMyWish]

I dont really get what you are trying to say.but there is no right and wrong in this world.if you think that suicide is the only option for your current situation,you dont really need to care what other people have to say.

 

[Astral316]

Handle life... deal with life... these phrases mean nothing to me. Why not substitute "life" with "their problems"? I'm certain most people couldn't "handle/deal with" my problems. There is no "life" common to all. Your point is superfluous.

 

[DoesANameEvenMatter]

Suicide is just going to make you reach your eventual destination a couple years in advance. Ones demise is inevitable so what's wrong with retiring early?

 

[wunderwaffle]

In the end everybody dies, doesn't matter if tomorrow or next year.

 

[Can'tStandAnymore]

Arguing that someone should not have killed themselves because they could have managed life

Uhh, these stupid people and their stupid facts.

I believe that doing ctb is much harder than someone is reshaping their life.

 

[Darkhaven]

Yes it is self justified.
Each body belongs to the person inside. It's ours.
Same thing with the life within that body.
If the person decides that it is enough then it should be enough to justify the death of said person.
There is no point in bringing in God's will and the surrounding people's suffering.
It's an individual choice. Our lives should not be considered a public or interpersonal matter. I refuse to be owned by the government.

 

[Jean Améry]

If someone kills themselves, they are demonstrating that they cannot handle life.

That is not necessarily true. The only thing it proves is that they did not want to live anymore. It's entirely possible to be what is conventionally regarded as a succes in life yet refuse to play the game any longer.

As to moral justification: that depends on what moral principles one starts from. Mine is that individuals are autonomous and are thus entitled to do whatever they please aslong as it does not directly harms others.

 

[wendydong1]

That is not necessarily true. The only thing it proves is that they did not want to live anymore. It's entirely possible to be what is conventionally regarded as a succes in life yet refuse to play the game any longer.

As to moral justification: that depends on what moral principles one starts from. Mine is that individuals are autonomous and are thus entitled to do whatever they please aslong as it does not directly harms others.

my greatest concern is indirectly harming others, like my parents and my dog

 

[Kirkscoobz]

In birth we had no say, in death we do, simple as.

 

[Jean Améry]

my greatest concern is indirectly harming others, like my parents and my dog

It's entirely possible to autonomously decide to abstain from suicide in order to avoid indirect harm to others. That the individual is autonomous and morally justified in making the choice to kill themselves does not imply that he or she should.

I obviously can't advise you on your conondrum nor do I want to but it's clear in your case (and many others no doubt) a comparison needs to be made between your current suffering (which would be resolved by CTB) and the future, foreseeable suffering wrought upon your parents by your death.

For that reason I'm a big proponent of rational suicide: carefully weighing the benefits and costs of each possibility preferably involving others' stake in your life aswell.

Imo aslong as one doesn't have children one is free to do as one pleases but it's commendable to care for others and factor in their well-being aswell. I do realize nothing is cut and dried here and there are circumstances where the well-being of others is simply irrelevant due to the enormity of the suffering endured by the individual contemplating taking their own life.

 

[JimFord99]

As in, does suicide require any further justification?

If someone kills themselves, they are demonstrating that they cannot handle life. Arguing that someone should not have killed themselves because they could have managed life misses the fact that the person DID the act already. If they were capable of dealing with life they wouldn't have killed themselves i.e. someone killing themselves is proof that they should have killed themselves because if they had the constitution to deal with life they wouldn't have killed themselves.

I hope you get my point.

People who commit suicide are also committed, determined, truthful and dedicated. Not really a measure of failure.

 

[Worndown]

As in, does suicide require any further justification?

If someone kills themselves, they are demonstrating that they cannot handle life. Arguing that someone should not have killed themselves because they could have managed life misses the fact that the person DID the act already. If they were capable of dealing with life they wouldn't have killed themselves i.e. someone killing themselves is proof that they should have killed themselves because if they had the constitution to deal with life they wouldn't have killed themselves.

I hope you get my point.

Absolutely! It is your ride and you decide when to get off.

 

[JimFord99]

Well said.

 

[Sunset Limited]

These are learned ideas. It is not the conclusions reached by rational reasoning. It is not possible to generalize the case of suicide. Every suicide case is unique.

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