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noname223

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I thought about that after one of my favorite (German) news magazines made a huge research about certain website(s). Maybe you have heard from it but powerful companies (like Mastercard) threatened popular porn websites to stop the cooperation if they don't take content down which was in a grey area. This is why many porn websites removed content of non-verified accounts (which was a huge amount of their videos). Though not all porn websites have took this step. The reason why they threatened to stop the cooperation was: I think there were media researches that proved that a lot of content of private accounts were for example revenge porn, the shown people did not give consent to upload it, the videos were taken by spy cams, some of them would have shown rape, some videos had even shown minors..etc.


The magazine proved the pratices of a website which resisted to take down content of non-verified accounts. They talked with affected people who suffer a lot because their bodies are shown in those videos but the website denies to take it down. Seemingly it is very very difficult to take down such videos. The website owners are often very hidden. As in the case of Amanda Todd nude pictures which were spread without consent can lead to suicide. It is not unlikely that a lot of people feel extremely ashamed about the videos online. Some obivously don't even know it.

Statistically it is not unlikely some videos show people who have committed suicide due to these recorded videos. I know the number is very very low. But with the large amount of videos this fact is probably true. Yeah this is not a very good argument because it is so unlikely. But it is something that came to my mind. (I am quite obsessed by suicidal thoughts.)

Do you think it is the right step to take down all the content of private users? It is very likely that A LOT of their content is uploaded without consent. This is something I evaluate as quite immoral. So many men and women suffer from it. Personally I am not fully sure about banning all non-verified content. Though I am in favor that when it is proven to be uploaded without consent ect. it should be way easier to report it. It is quite evil not to take it down when someone says it was uploaded without consent/ or showed illegal content.) But there remain a lot of videos where it is not known whether there was consent or not ect. It is hard to prove that. Banning all private content is a huge step and will also affect people who gave consent to upload it.

I think another reason why they stopped all non verified accounts was: There is so much video content uploaded that it is really difficult to moderate it. Though I think some websites don't really give a shit about moderation and just want to make money with it.

I think in the future the internet will get way more regulated if we like it or not. There are many grey area on the internet which will be scrutinized. This probably counts for this forum too. This is why I think censorship is dangerous. I am more hesitant on censorship since I know this forum.

Maybe one other remark about pornography. David Foster Wallace wrote a good story about the American porn industry. The circumstances in which even professional porn is produced are very bad. On the other hand one can say adults can choose whether or not to join that business and its consequences. Probably many actors are quite naive when they join that business. I just checked my consideration and yes it is true. The suicide rate of porn actors is increased. It is a tough business. There is a lot of violence no wonder many use to drugs to cope with it.
I wanted to say with that even porn uploaded from official channels can be seen as problematic.

You could use that argument either to say yeah if also official porn can be problematic we should also allow videos of private accounts. On the other hand you could use this argument to say ban all porn. (which would be in my point of view as stupid as to ban prostitution)

What are your thoughts on that? Is most porn there exists immoral?
 
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Ishuzoku Reviewers has ended racism, transphobia and proven that not only porn is morally great, but so is prostitution.
 
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In a better more just world porn should be banned and so should sex work. But this is capitalist dystopia so I can't really blame individuals who have to engage in either to make a living, but it would be lunacy to deny the damaging effects of both.
 
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If I had to guess I'd say the majority of pornography on the internet is stuff uploaded by adults who know exactly what they're doing and intend to have their content out there on the internet. There probably is lots of stuff being uploaded without the permission of one or more persons in the video, but I'm guessing that in most of those situations, the people aren't identified/identifiable because their faces are blurred or not shown or whatever. Generally I wouldn't say porn is immoral and I think anyone who wants to make it/view it should be able to make/view it.
In a better more just world porn should be banned and so should sex work.
What are the damaging effects of these things that warrant them being banned?
 
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In a better more just world porn should be banned and so should sex work. But this is capitalist dystopia so I can't really blame individuals who have to engage in either to make a living, but it would be lunacy to deny the damaging effects of both.
Wouldn't banning them just lead to a renewed interest and an underground market, much like how drug prohibition has done, causing more harm overall?
 
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I think porn is inherently immoral, and degenerative to one's mental and spiritual health.
 
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Wouldn't banning them just lead to a renewed interest and an underground market, much like how drug prohibition has done, causing more harm overall?
In a capitalist society of course it would.
If I had to guess I'd say the majority of pornography on the internet is stuff uploaded by adults who know exactly what they're doing and intend to have their content out there on the internet. There probably is lots of stuff being uploaded without the permission of one or more persons in the video, but I'm guessing that in most of those situations, the people aren't identified/identifiable because their faces are blurred or not shown or whatever. Generally I wouldn't say porn is immoral and I think anyone who wants to make it/view it should be able to make/view it.

What are the damaging effects of these things that warrant them being banned?
There's inherent exploitation in someone selling their body to entertain others in order to make a living.

People watching porn and by extension watching people forced to sell their bodies can not be good for ones mind or society at large.
 
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I think porn is inherently immoral, and degenerative to one's mental and spiritual health.

You probably think that all non-reproductive sexual behavior is a sin, Christian boy. :))
 
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My biggest fear concerning pornography is that it will become regulated to the extent that it will just become some form of ideological propaganda affecting viewers on a psychodynamic level. I don't want massive corporations with teams of people contemplating how to manufacture porn that will make people more "progressive".

In this sense, amateur porn seems much more wholesome to me. I'd much rather know that I'm just watching a couple fooling around with a camera than something that was inorganically put together in a manipulative manner by a corporate team.

It might be worth adding that I'm personally biased on a sexual level too. Scripted porn is sexually offputting to me. But I almost never watch any type of porn. It's just that if I do, amateur is preferable to me.
 
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It might be worth adding that I'm personally biased on a sexual level too. Scripted porn is sexually offputting to me. But I almost never watch any type of porn. It's just that if I do, amateur is preferable to me.

Acrobatic mechanical fucking is extremely boring. I'm interested in erotica.

"Erotica is as different from pornography as love is from rape, as dignity is from humiliation, as partnership is from slavery, as pleasure is from pain."
-- Gloria Steinem
 
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Well you could always try getting into erotic art such as drawings, audio, or literature. The nice thing is no matter how fucked up it gets, there's almost no way any real people could possibly be harmed by whatever the content is. Erotic literature is also better for your imagination than just watching a sex tape would be and supposedly less likely to ruin your expectations that way depending on who the author is.

That viewpoint might be a tad naive though since if the wrong person finds such content it could potentially motivate them to do bad things to real people but to dictate everyone's pornography habits and kinks based on a few bad apples would be treating everyone like children and only pedophiles like to associate children with anything porn related. 😅
 
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Not immoral, exaggerated, treating women like they are not treated in real life. So if you expect a facial, you will most likely get slapped by most girls out there for example. Porn make women be what man wished all women were, sex object slaves, to satisfy their kinky habits, smell the fresh coffee boys. Now our side of the story, we would actually like to have some normal fun with ripped hit guys like those ones in the movies,
 
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This is a classic case where all the people immediately involved can consent, but a detrimental effect still persists for society at large.

Pornography creates unrealistic beauty standards that watchers hyperfixate on, and unrealistic sexual standards. These standards negatively impact the mental health of people.
 
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It's quite disturbing how increasingly violent internet porn has changed what gays are into since I was 18 (22 years ago). Not many guys wanted to be choked & spit at, much less urinated on by someone like me when I was in my early 20s. Not even deepthroating was terribly important. These days every gay guy in his 20s thinks he has to apologize to you for having a gag reflex & every bottom thinks you're sooo turned on when he says he fantasizes about taking two schlongs up his butt at once. 🙄
 
hungry_ghost

hungry_ghost

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You probably think that all non-reproductive sexual behavior is a sin, Christian boy. :))
Well, I'm a woman.

And you don't need to be religious to know porn is detrimental.
 
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Well, I'm a woman.

I apologize for assuming you're a guy, I sometimes forget that women can be very silly too: :ahhha:

Some guy has an interesting theory that this is Putin destroying US-installed biolabs in the Ukraine, in an attempt to stop the US from releasing another bioweapon.

So, are you a good Byzantine Catholic who believes that all non-reproductive sexual behavior is a sin?
 
kappa

kappa

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Apr 2, 2019
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Well, I'm a woman.

And you don't need to be religious to know porn is detrimental.

Yeah. I got told I was "broken" because I didn't behave like a porn star… and they thought girls just get off by penetration alone.

I mean if you can good for you… but lots of women can't. It's fake bro.
 
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Frankly, I'd like to see the age of consent lowered

Really? What should the age of consent be? Would you like to be able to sexually abuse eleven-year-old children with impunity the way they do in Nigeria?🤮🤮
 
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kappa

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There are no objective standards of morality whatsoever. Any advanced are advanced from self-interest only. Frankly, I'd like to see the age of consent lowered and animatronic sex robots permitted for real (prepubescent attracted ) paedophiles.

Yikes...
 
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if any nudity of me got leaked it would probably send me over to suicidality
 
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Why don't you post my lengthy and detailed reply, WhiteRabbit? If my position is so self evidently wrong, then refute it.
 
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Blondi

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Feb 2, 2021
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What argument needs be made? At the bare minimum it must be admitted that standards vary radically across history and by social class:
Value objectivity does not depend on the cultural relativism.
the aforementioned Jefferson taking a teen as his very public lover wasn't regarded as scandalous in Paris in the 1780s (your objection will be that she was a slave, but she wasn't a field slave - she sat in on Jefferson's meetings with French diplomats, died with them, etc.), and the average age of consent in the United States was ten right through the late nineteenth century.
Yes , and it was incorrect and primitive.
"But it's changed!" you say - and it will probably change again. You despise the (prepubescent attracted) paedophile today, but will have little argument with him tomorrow, when there are lifelike animatronics available.
Maybe it will , maybe it will not . Depends on the societal outcome.
 
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I think porn is inherently immoral, and degenerative to one's mental and spiritual health.
How do you defi8ne what is porn? Is a picture of a nude girl always porn? Can a provocative photo in a bikini cross the line? The common answer people say is I can't really define it, but I know it when I see it. It's not easy to know what is a damaging or negative portrayal of sexuality and what isn't.
 
Blondi

Blondi

Iš Lietuvos
Feb 2, 2021
168
Virtually no prior cultures held contemporary Western standards of sexual morality on this subjet. I
Why does opinion of some savages from the stone age matter ?
It is entirely a product of postwar American society and nothing more.
No , it's a product of western intellectuals
and the child protection activists.



What's primitive is the ageist assumptions built into bourgeois feminism and Christianity.
1. Christianity has almost never prohibited
age gaps. There are old men marrying children in Christian countries and church is
not really condemning these marriages.
2. The fact of unfair power balances is not ageism , but a fact . Some 12 year old is not
even close to being mature enough for a 40 year old.
Lo and behold, relativism
Universal welfare is not relativism , it's objectivism.
 
Depressed Cat

Depressed Cat

Mage
Jan 4, 2022
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I simply don't understand why some people view porn, or even prostitution for that matter, as immoral, as long as the ones involved are adults doing it of their own free will. 🤔

In my country (it's a Third World one), those who want the government to completely block access to all porn websites try to argue that relatively easy access to porn has led to "moral decay in society", has caused "an increase in the number of rapes" etc. Such reasons are just absurd and stupid. These people were the very same ones who opposed sex education (as a part of biology) being introduced into the curriculum.

No amount of moral policing by governments is going to stop porn, or even prostitution for that matter. They will merely be driven underground, and continue to thrive.
 
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Lol that was quick. Thank you mods <3 Impressive very nice
 
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