is it selfish to ctb while the corona is still going around

[akrasia]

I'm sorry to bring the corona virus to this forum. But as most of you already know there is a virus going around that's spreading at a rapid pace. School, states, countries, and stores are being shut/closed down. Hospital are filled with anxious people that are scared that they are infected. Soon they will be filled with infected people in every room. Supplies would be running out in every hospital. Toilet paper, water bottle, hand sanitizer, soap is already running out in stores right now. Some people are actually fighting over toilet paper! People are acting like it's an apocalypse. It's quite scary to think that it's actually going on right outside our door right now.
But let's supposed that we decided to ctb and were placed in the hospital taken up a room that could be use for someone else. Supplies that could be used for someone else.
Well maybe it's a good choice to ctb right now since we don't have to suffer about dealing with corona. And I'm pretty sure it would get worst over time. (I'm not promoting anyone to ctb)

Just my thoughts

 

[Abaigh]

I'm sorry to bring the corona virus to this forum. But as most of you already know there is a virus going around that's spreading at a rapid pace. School, states, countries, stores are being shut down. Hospital are filled with anxious people that are scared that they are infected. Soon they will be filled with infected people in every room. Supplies would be running out in each hospital. Toilet paper, water bottle, hand sanitizer, soap is already running out in stores right now. People are acting like it's an apocalypse. It's quite scary to think that it's actually going on right outside our door right now.
But let's supposed that we decided to ctb and was in the hospital taken up a room that could be use for someone else. Supplies that could be used for someone else.
Well maybe it's a good choice to ctb right now since we don't have to suffer about dealing with corona. And I'm pretty sure it would get worst over time. (I'm not promoting anyone to ctb)

Just my thoughts

Ye I needed to go hospital a few days ago to keep myself safe from ctb but I just couldn't I felt like i was taking resources away from people who need it and want to live. I also agree that it would be a good time to do it because we would be saving ourselfs and it wouldn't be such an isolated event and wouldn't impact as much on family( the way I explained it probably sounds weird but I hope you get what I mean.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I feel like I am the only one who seriously doesn´t give a shit about it I am not scared to get it because I most likely won´t and still don´t care if I do and feel like the media blows it completely out of proportion it´s the only thing they talk about despite so few people have died from it and I am quite frankly tired of it being the only thing on the news all the time when I couldn´t care less it doesn´t affect me one bit except piss me off seeing it being mentioned everywhere.

 

[charlottewilts]

it's honestly incredible how fast hysteria spreads nowadays with social media. i'm gonna vibe in my urn while everyone else fights over the last can of beef ravioli

 

[akrasia]

I feel like I am the only one who seriously doesn´t give a shit about it I am not scared to get it because I most likely won´t and still don´t care if I do and feel like the media blows it completely out of proportion it´s the only thing they talk about despite so few people have died from it and I am quite frankly tired of it being the only thing on the news all the time when I couldn´t care less it doesn´t affect me one bit except piss me off seeing it being mentioned everywhere.

I totally agree with you. I couldn't care less that I could get the virus. There's a slim chance since I'm young and pretty healthy.
The flu has killed way more people than the corona, it's just how fast the corona is spreading that's scaring people. Social media is overreacting as well.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

Funny thing is all people is scared and I am "happy" because I could catch it. Being suicidal makes me be fearless.

 

[TVtrays]

There's very few cases in my area right now, so in 2 days when I get my SN, it won't take too many resources from people. I'll be long dead before the pandemic affects my area greatly.

 

[Mr2005]

I'm sorry to bring the corona virus to this forum. But as most of you already know there is a virus going around that's spreading at a rapid pace. School, states, countries, and stores are being shut/closed down. Hospital are filled with anxious people that are scared that they are infected. Soon they will be filled with infected people in every room. Supplies would be running out in every hospital. Toilet paper, water bottle, hand sanitizer, soap is already running out in stores right now. Some people are actually fighting over toilet paper! People are acting like it's an apocalypse. It's quite scary to think that it's actually going on right outside our door right now.
But let's supposed that we decided to ctb and were placed in the hospital taken up a room that could be use for someone else. Supplies that could be used for someone else.
Well maybe it's a good choice to ctb right now since we don't have to suffer about dealing with corona. And I'm pretty sure it would get worst over time. (I'm not promoting anyone to ctb)

Just my thoughts

Don't feel bad. There's people enjoying this with not a second thought for anyone else. I wouldn't miss them. Neither would I miss the ones hoarding all the supplies that they don't need. Are they really that worried this is the apocalypse? If so why would they want to survive? Just seeing it on the news makes me wonder why I'm still here. This really does seem like hell. It's a shame though to lose people that actually give a damn

 

[Throwmyselfaway]

Honestly all I thought about driving around today was should I use the sn or my gun. The virus is just there. There will always be something. It just seems worse because of the amount of things being shut down because of it. Hell Disney hasn't shut down since 9/11, they didn't even shut down after the measles issue they had.

 

[ljyip]

In the event that you are able to guarantee your ctb and don't require immediate hospitalization, it is not selfish at all.
Even if you end up in critical condition, I still don't blame you. Anyone going through the same conditions as you are would do it with reasonable thought. Accusing you of selfishness is the least of everybody's concerns when it's chaos in every hospital. Doctors and nurses just want everybody to stay healthy, no matter if you are tested positive.

 

[Mm80]

Imo as long as someone has made a properly researched, serious attemp to ctb, i dont thimk its selfish at all. If it fails the person was unlucky and deserves treatment like anyone else.A deliberate and obvious cry for help may be a little selfish as before doing it the person knows they will be in a hospital bed at some point. But if they are crying for help it means they need it.
I think this virus has shown a dark side to human nature, a human nature i dont like living around. People stock piling, while poorer people cant afford to. Panic, fear, greed,scaremongering, and a desparation to cling on to life at all costs, everybody wanting answers from the authorities to confirm their lives are safe. Thats selfish imo.

 

[Darkhaven]

Unless you´re killing yourself because of the virus, i can´t see why commiting suicide would have anything to do with the covid19 pandemic...
Don´t worry too much about it... Yesterday the beaches in my country were filled with people and parks in the bigger cities were flooded with university students all bunched up camping and drinking bear. (most schools and universities are closed). I actually tell people to do it their way if they feel like it. As for myself i have been on "quarantine" (socially isolated) for 10 years so, for me, this just means that i have my classes via skype calls instead of having to travel 2 hours per day on a train filled with, possibly, sick people in order to go to university. Fine by me.

 

[Grandexit]

I'm fucking spun about it . It won't be safe for my parents to come get my carcas, and I don't think post mortum crap can be done over the phone with a credit card. I do know if my parents don't pull through, fuck it, I'm setting the houses on fire and checking out on the spot.

 

[Beautiful_Disgrace]

It's not selfish. The world is still spinning, regardless of whether or not a new virus is around. I think it's pretty silly how much people are freaking out about it. Doesn't matter how much toilet paper and hand sanitizer you buy. If you get it, you get it.

 

[TheEndof]

I don't think so. Everyday life isn't going to stop. Our pain and suffering isn't going to stop because a virus is going about. Just like life will go on for others once we pass on.

 

[Sans]

CTBing is never selfish, regardless of the situation.

 

[All an illusion]

Fear and anxiety will always rule the roost....or in this case the sheeple.

 

[Jean Améry]

The real effect will probably be a drop in suicide-rates worldwide: it''s been well-established that in times of crisis less people kill themselves. It has been the case in times of war, economic upheaval...

As to one's personal choice: I cannot and will not be the judge of that. It would stand to reason that from society's viewpoint the public resources (ambulances, police) would be better spent dealing with this outbreak than dealing with the aftermath of a CTB. Whether that measures up to the personal cost and agony of staying alive is something only the individual in question can answer.

 

[DownToGo]

If you choose to go now, you are at your own discretion.

The real effect will probably be a drop in suicide-rates worldwide: it''s been well-established that in times of crisis less people kill themselves. It has been the case in times of war, economic upheaval...

As to one's personal choice: I cannot and will not be the judge of that. It would stand to reason that from society's viewpoint the public resources (ambulances, police) would be better spent dealing with this outbreak than dealing with the aftermath of a CTB. Whether that measures up to the personal cost and agony of staying alive is something only the individual in question can answer.

 

[rntmss]

My area has declared a state of emergency and they won't even allow funerals of over 50 persons.

I don't want to sound full of myself or anything, but I don't want my funeral to be a thing where people can't attend because of a pandemic.

 

[PillowSia]

I don't think its selfish.

I do think that depending on what your plans or hopes are for after the deed is done should be taken into account however. If you're alone, social distancing is likely going to make it take longer for your body to be discovered, especially with how tight emergency services are likely to be. Speaking of, if you want to try and then decide part way through that you've changed your mind, those same services might not only fail to reach you in enough time, but upon doing so depending on severity and location at the time, they may opt to decide not to help you in favor of someone who is healthier if they're overburdened. Covid spreads through liquid, last I heard, so if you do decide to do so with say, SN, and you're contagious (according to Italy contagiousness is about 2 weeks?), throwing up and sweating is likely going to give it a much easier time to spread to people who may discover you, or roommates and family you might be staying with. Symptoms don't show right away as soon as you're contagious, so you may decide to CTB without ever knowing you have it and are spreading it. Plus there's the what if's that might happen as a result. Economy issues after might make funerals or storage more difficult on certain families or certain businesses, blah blah blah. It requires a bit more thought around this time, I think, if you care about that kind of stuff.

No, again, I don't think its selfish. I think people should go when they feel its time, regardless of circumstances. They suffered enough to want this, I'm not going to judge them for wanting out, and I dislike it when people judge me for wanting out too. When someone feels they're ready, they should go. I myself had planned to go two weeks after Animal Crossing's release, so I could enjoy something peaceful and pretend I was wanted/important before I left. Then people started panicking and what not, and I figured, eh, I've made it this long, waiting a month rather than 2 weeks won't be that much more pain. Gives me an excuse to sit and home and spend the last of my time just enjoying what few things make me feel a bit better with no consequence if I decide to back down for some strange reason. It's not that long of wait when you struggle with time issues anyway, lol. Have I been sitting here for 5 minutes or 5 hours? Heck if I know.

 

[Kumachan]

corona is just a cherry on a huge pile of shit that is life on earth, why even single it out? Corona, wars, economy, stupidity, heartbreak, aging... theres no end in sight

 

[X.Pseudonym.X]

Nah, why would it be selfish? Just make sure everything works so you don't end up in a hospital.

 

[sleepless]

I think depends on your region, and as long as you don't fail, I don't think it's selfish. If your area is badly hit by the virus, hospitals may be overwhelmed. And if you inadvertently fail, you might be taking away a space, equipment or resources from an affected person who needs it. Hospital staff may not give you the time of day too, given the current situation.

 

[Mooshi]

I feel like I am the only one who seriously doesn´t give a shit about it I am not scared to get it because I most likely won´t and still don´t care if I do and feel like the media blows it completely out of proportion it´s the only thing they talk about despite so few people have died from it and I am quite frankly tired of it being the only thing on the news all the time when I couldn´t care less it doesn´t affect me one bit except piss me off seeing it being mentioned everywhere.

I feel the same, the only thing it's doing to me is making me annoyed

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I feel the same, the only thing it's doing to me is making me annoyed

Same I went shopping today and there are glass barriers between cashiers and customers and you have to use hand sanitizer several times in the stores, I also waited like 20-30 minutes outside the pharmacy since they only would let one in at a time only to find out they didn´t have my prescription I ordered yesterday.

I am so annoyed by all of this they act like it´s the plague even though way more people die to influenza and the word annoyed is even an understatement is pisses me off beyond belief it´s not the plague, ebola etc. and on social media 90% of all posts is about that stupid virus I can´t scroll past two posts before there is another article about that stupid virus (btw I am deliberately not saying its name because I am so tired of hearing about it all the time)

 

[Jessica5]

I feel like I am the only one who seriously doesn´t give a shit about it I am not scared to get it because I most likely won´t and still don´t care if I do and feel like the media blows it completely out of proportion it´s the only thing they talk about despite so few people have died from it and I am quite frankly tired of it being the only thing on the news all the time when I couldn´t care less it doesn´t affect me one bit except piss me off seeing it being mentioned everywhere.

Yeah. The whole 161 deaths, out of 320 million Americans. It's ridiculous.

Anyway, I'm wondering how I can purposefully get coronavirus. If I got coronavirus, I'd self quarantine, but I'd purposefully not tell anybody I had coronavirus and would hope I died without medical care.

 

[a.h]

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I'm sorry to bring the corona virus to this forum. But as most of you already know there is a virus going around that's spreading at a rapid pace. School, states, countries, and stores are being shut/closed down. Hospital are filled with anxious people that are scared that they are infected. Soon they will be filled with infected people in every room. Supplies would be running out in every hospital. Toilet paper, water bottle, hand sanitizer, soap is already running out in stores right now. Some people are actually fighting over toilet paper! People are acting like it's an apocalypse. It's quite scary to think that it's actually going on right outside our door right now.
But let's supposed that we decided to ctb and were placed in the hospital taken up a room that could be use for someone else. Supplies that could be used for someone else.
Well maybe it's a good choice to ctb right now since we don't have to suffer about dealing with corona. And I'm pretty sure it would get worst over time. (I'm not promoting anyone to ctb)

Just my thoughts

In my country it's the opposite. Stores are full, nobody wears masks and most think it as same as any flu. It seems only people in risk group fear it. But people don't like hospitals and government control here. So when Corona spreaded people stopped going to doctors for flu. Only people who go to doctor with flu are tested. But here sick stay home in any case and get full paycheck.

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Videos in link above made me first very angry but then I realised that most people care just about the same doing injustice and hurting others in this world. I cannot understand how humans could be seen as morally superior to animals.

 

[Jessica5]

I

In my country it's the opposite. Stores are full, nobody wears masks and most think it as same as any flu. It seems only people in risk group fear it. But people don't like hospitals and government control here. So when Corona spreaded people stopped going to doctors for flu. Only people who go to doctor with flu are tested. But here sick stay home in any case and get full paycheck.

Chinese Intentionally Spread Corona Virus — Spit On Food, Elevators, Park Benches | The Red Elephants

Dozens of videos have emerged of Chinese citizens intentionally spreading the Corona Virus by spitting on food, inside of elevators and wiping saliva on park benches. Some of the videos shown display Chinese citizens spitting directly on strangers. Meanwhile in Stockton…Did we mention San...

theredelephants.com

Videos in link above made me first very angry but then I realised that most people care just about the same doing injustice and hurting others in this world. I cannot understand how humans could be seen as morally superior to animals.

Are you in Sweden?

 

[a.h]

I'm sorry to bring the corona virus to this forum. But as most of you already know there is a virus going around that's spreading at a rapid pace. School, states, countries, and stores are being shut/closed down. Hospital are filled with anxious people that are scared that they are infected. Soon they will be filled with infected people in every room. Supplies would be running out in every hospital. Toilet paper, water bottle, hand sanitizer, soap is already running out in stores right now. Some people are actually fighting over toilet paper! People are acting like it's an apocalypse. It's quite scary to think that it's actually going on right outside our door right now.
But let's supposed that we decided to ctb and were placed in the hospital taken up a room that could be use for someone else. Supplies that could be used for someone else.
Well maybe it's a good choice to ctb right now since we don't have to suffer about dealing with corona. And I'm pretty sure it would get worst over time. (I'm not promoting anyone to ctb)

Just my thoughts

I think that people should think for long and hard and try everything else first. If they are 100% sure they want to leave this life on earth then they should do it with fail proof method. There are those.

I think some choose methods that don't work well so they can back out while they do it (meds, bleeding etc.) which happens in most attempts especially with many meds since it hurts too much and is too slow. It can ruin their life's in many ways in future and make them suffer much more.

I think it's better to think before so that there is no regrets when dieing to natural or other way.

There was article telling how people succeed in suicide. By it a lot of thinking about it and some testing and taking risks in life numbs people to fear and to the idea of dieing. It becomes a normal thing in their mind then. I think that to rational suicide people must also go through the same processes (fear, grief, sadness,praying, bargaining with God etc. until acceptance without fear or intense sadness) than when they get terminal disease. I have almost passed them all.

But I don't think it is selfish to die or try and fail while Corona lockdown. If one fails it's fine. Most people with terminal diseases and days or weeks to live spent last days in hospital too. Many do slow suicide by life habits and end up dieing slowly or fast in hospital.

Those who clean after deaths get good paycheck in many countries. I would have taken that job any day when I was fine. Others handle and see dead people often and blood with low paycheck. People who get traumatized by dead people don't choose that profession. I didn't find it distressing. You can see that the person is not in that pack of meat anymore. So it's just that. Though loved ones corpses can be seen serene looking and beautyfull after all the makeup and care before the funeral. But still it seems very obvious they aren't in that body anymore. They are somewhere else in better place.
For me seeing dead animals and people took away all my fear of dieing even as a kid. Somehow it gave me inner certainty that they are in some better place and it still gives me the same feeling with certainty of it. Nature is good by origin. There is cruelty in many humans but not in nature and animals.

So only thing that seeing dead people in my work did to me was that it took my fear of death away and gave me certainty that death as part of nature is definitely good and life goes on in some better place. Though of course there is nothing bad about nothingness either. :)

There are several studies that say that people didn't fear death in times when many died young and most saw dieing and dead people at home.