Discussion Is everything predetermined?

[oxymoron]

That we suffer so much each day. Mentally, physically and emotionally. Was all of this predetermined? Was our fate sealed when we were born?

 

[Baskol1]

Not exactly, i dont really believe in fate.

 

[Donewith_]

Sometimes..i wonder the same ..
How all things led to the place that i am in in now.. with no reasonable answer.

 

[IveHadEnough]

That we suffer so much each day. Mentally, physically and emotionally. Was all of this predetermined? Was our fate sealed when we were born?

I think yes... After all, 'choice' is just a chain of biochemical reactions in your brain.

 

[Ratbat]

That we suffer so much each day. Mentally, physically and emotionally. Was all of this predetermined? Was our fate sealed when we were born?

I believe that yeah
Yeah we have no choice we think we do thats the illusion

I think yes... After all, 'choice' is just a chain of biochemical reactions in your brain.

 

[thrwaway99]

I guess. God wouldn't let our world leaders own nuclear weapons if hard determinism wasn't true.

 

[wanttodie.nz]

Perhaps not the finer details but broad ideas certainly. I seem to be destined to fail no matter how hard I try.

 

[Bagger]

At quantum level from our world emerge there are only weighted probabilities, and this is fundamentaly random thing, so i do not believe in any predetermination of our fate. Our fate came to be at present.

 

[Rocksandsand]

That we suffer so much each day. Mentally, physically and emotionally. Was all of this predetermined? Was our fate sealed when we were born?

Suppose that it is... Then why worry about it? If it's already determined then it's not worth stressing about? I mean this in a kind way - there is freedom in the belief of predeterminism

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Physically I can say yes because all my physical problems and illnesses isn´t something that could´ve been avoided they just developed or got worse over time so unlike other people on this forum I can´t say that if I had done something different I wouldn´t be in this situation because since my body is defect I was always predetermined to end up with all my physical problems they simply couldn´t be avoided.

 

[Letmego. Please]

I dunno, the logical part of me says no the universe is just random.

But then sometimes i get to thinking about all the forks in the road, where you take one path or another & so on, but i always get the sense that whatever path i'd taken i would've always ended up at this same point. But i don't think that is some universal predetermined thing, more just a default of who i am & the wonky wired brain I've had along for company.

It is what it is..

 

[Kornyboyo]

There is a theory that we choose the life we live based on karma from previous lives. However, are memories are erased when we are born. That's why people are born disabled etc because we choose that life to erase past life karma.

 

[Dreamcolleger]

I think yes... After all, 'choice' is just a chain of biochemical reactions in your brain.

Yeah and technically technically, if there's no free will, there really isn't anything. Nothing exists.

 

[NotMemorableEnough]

There is a theory that we choose the life we live based on karma from previous lives. However, are memories are erased when we are born. That's why people are born disabled etc because we choose that life to erase past life karma.

That theory is so dumb
Let's say u're Born a psychopath in ur first life and have an extreme urge to kill someone.
In ur next life you'll suffer without memories(and build a whole new persona) just because you were unfortunately born with a mental desease before?
My point is there is no evil your decision have a reason how dumb it may be so there is no point in a karma system from my point of view.

 

[TheFinalCountdown]

Existence is really just a chain of cause and effect so yes.

 

[capitalJ]

To me, this depends on what you mean. I don't think some higher being sat down and deliberately designed it so that person X will have depression, and person Y won't. I believe that minor events weren't predetermined, but the ones that have an actual effect on the world all ultimately build on what's already established, so they are pretty much set.

 

[pole]

That we suffer so much each day. Mentally, physically and emotionally. Was all of this predetermined? Was our fate sealed when we were born?

i definitely think so, like a prewritten destiny. it just makes you wonder, why me? why you? why'd me get the shitty side of the coin. i feel sometimes like im punished for my past life, or something; but yeah, when so many things just happen and happen, pile and pile onto each other, it just stops being these occasional occurences and makes your mind think if its something more than that.

 

[oopswronglife]

I asked Multivac and it said: "INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER."

 

[Intelligent_Lobster]

A part of me wants to say absolutely.

Another part wants to say absolutely not.

I think we are born with a plan, and move further away from that plan, into entropy, every second we are alive.

 

[alizee]

Yes there is no free will and everything is predetermined.

If someone dies by suicide that was their natural death and it wasn't going to happen any differently. Similar if someone gets hit by a car, then dies and same goes for someone that just dies of old age. All just natural deaths and it wasn't going to be any differently for that person Everything is cause & effect and nothing could have happened differently. The life you're born into with genetics & environment factors are what set your life story from start to end. Every event is factored from the preceding event.

People that understand "determinism makes no free will" are called hard determinists. People who think "free will can work with determinism" are called compatibilists.

People that are interested in this can study physics, neuroscience and even computer science for understanding systems. You are like an object inside a system and whatever happens is based on the system you reside in.

 

[dustintech]

I think a couple of bad decisions in my youth sent me to this timeline where suicide will be the end result.

 

[veren4h92l]

Nope, it's not...everyone and everything is free. Late humankind a poor hazard anyway.

 

[Fizzy92]

This is something I have though about a lot recently.
There are some very interesing claims made that it might be physically impossible for something like free will to exist, and that we are caught in an endless loop of repetetion until the end of the universe.
I think there is comfort in that. What is supposed to happen will happen. We are nothing more that bags of water resticted to our predetermined path of entropy increase.

 

[Dawn0071111]

I hope not.

 

[HGL91]

I believe that life is random, and that our decisions play a large part in how our lives are...

But there are also outside sources that affect us, like natural disasters, or another car crashing into yours because they were overly tired and fell asleep, the boss that decided they didn't like you after all and fired you, or the rapist that goes after the young woman that decided to wear a crop top and high waisted short shorts.

I don't think it's predetermined though. A person may be negatively affected if they decided that day to walk around the area that happened to be close to the natural disaster. They may become injured in the car accident because they didn't turn quickly from the reckless driver. A young woman may have not been targeted by a rapist if she decided to dress more humbly (it's not an excuse for rapists to go after women that wear short, tight clothing and heels, but unfortunately, it'll attract them.)

It's anxiety provoking but each choice we make affects our lives.

 

[alizee]

I believe that life is random, and that our decisions play a large part in how our lives are...

But there are also outside sources that affect us, like natural disasters, or another car crashing into yours because they were overly tired and fell asleep, the boss that decided they didn't like you after all and fired you, or the rapist that goes after the young woman that decided to wear a crop top and high waisted short shorts.

I don't think it's predetermined though. A person may be negatively affected if they decided that day to walk around the area that happened to be close to the natural disaster. They may become injured in the car accident because they didn't turn quickly from the reckless driver. A young woman may have not been targeted by a rapist if she decided to dress more humbly (it's not an excuse for rapists to go after women that wear short, tight clothing and heels, but unfortunately, it'll attract them.)

It's anxiety provoking but each choice we make affects our lives.

Everything is cause & effect and also known as determinism.

You or I, cannot imagine a colour we haven't seen before because we needed the variable (what a colour resembles) from our input sensors (in this case our eyes) and to then process the properties of colours.

Random is just a word, used for human expression and for sharing one human expression to another person. People perceive something to be random when they cannot follow the cause & effect with their knowledge or capabilities as a human. You can read up on chaos theory if my simplistic overview isn't good enough for you.

We don't choose the family we're born into (our life) and or the genetics & environmental factors that come with the starting point of our birth. It's naive that humans think what follows birth is any different.

Birth is the starting point but also sets how our ending will be as well. Every event that follows from birth is based on the preceding events. Humans are fundamentally different because of genetics but also because the variables (received & processed) are in different orders and resulting in vast differences.

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

It's pretty clear to me that everyone has free will to do whatever they want. Pretty scary if you think about it.

 

[alizee]

It's pretty clear to me that everyone has free will to do whatever they want. Pretty scary if you think about it.

Explain. It's wishful thinking that a person can make a choice or decision that's truly their own. Especially when they're in a system (the universe) and where cause & effect is the outcome for everything. People understand their preferences, desires, and dreams but typically don't think about how they came to be. Free will is an illusion and it doesn't exist.

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

Everything that has been happening with all the school shootings and random massacres seems like free will. I cant see all this being predetermined. Who is pulling the strings deciding all of the horrible things i see on a site like bestgore? If someone or something is sitting back deciding all this thats just messed up.

 

[alizee]

Everything that has been happening with all the school shootings and random massacres seems like free will. I cant see all this being predetermined. Who is pulling the strings deciding all of the horrible things i see on a site like bestgore? If someone or something is sitting back deciding all this thats just messed up.

Predetermined doesn't necessarily mean a "deity is pulling the strings" to decide everything going forward from now. Predetermined means that everything follows a chain back to the start. I guess if you believe a God exists, you could say God is responsible for everything and keep in mind the action of creation of the universe is the responsible the action that triggered everything to come. So basically the creation of the universe is where all blame should be.

Now someone that goes and shoots up a school is the result of the cause & effects upon them at birth. All the events that made them into a person capable of the act and where they ended up doing it.

Also just because we think it's messed up doesn't mean that's not reality. It's not logical for free will to even be able to exist. All scientific evidence exhibits that we don't have free will.