Is ctb sometimes the only way

[Bruces]

When mental illness is a factor is there no other way but ctb

 

[Acerakis]

I think so. I have found that any work I do to improve myself can get reduced to nothing so easily that it is not worth trying to fix any more.

 

[FriendofDeath]

No, as there are some mental illnesses that will respond to treatment, like therapy or medications. But it's very individualized, since one drug might work for you and not me. Also, even if nothing seems to be working, you might be comfortable with a survival mode, which is where I am at the moment. It helps that mentally I am fairly numb at the moment.

 

[SpottedPanda]

No, it all depends on your mental illness. Of course suicide isn't the only way. If you have doubts like this, please reach out more and talk to people, tell them how you're feeling. There should never be any pressure from anybody or from within your own mind to commit suicide.

There's therapy, medication, there's a myriad of changes you can make.

I've had periods of severe mental illness and periods of stability.

 

[Acerakis]

No, it all depends on your mental illness. Of course suicide isn't the only way. If you have doubts like this, please reach out more and talk to people, tell them how you're feeling. There should never be any pressure from anybody or from within your own mind to commit suicide.

Problem is many of use don't have anyone to reach out to. My parents have way too much going on so I can't burden them with it and I don't really have any friends I am close with that it would be reasonable to ask for support.

 

[Taraxias]

If you have incurable illness that doesnt let you leave even a lets say normal life and do the simple things by yourself nothing else can take you out of your misery

 

[SpottedPanda]

Problem is many of use don't have anyone to reach out to. My parents have way too much going on so I can't burden them with it and I don't really have any friends I am close with that it would be reasonable to ask for support.

Are you not in touch with psychiatric services, or access to support groups in your area?

I know the psychiatric services are akin with Satan himself on this forum, but sometimes, if you just look at it like another human being with concerns, it can change things for the better, assuming you're somewhat open to some minor upheaval or change to your life.

 

[Acerakis]

Are you not in touch with psychiatric services, or access to support groups in your area?

I know the psychiatric services are akin with Satan himself on this forum, but sometimes, if you just look at it like another human being with concerns, it can change things for the better, assuming you're somewhat open to some minor upheaval or change to your life.

It is quite hard to access any services here at the best of times unless you are known to be actively suicidal, which if I was found out would ruin my uni course. But things look to be even more awkward at the moment due to the lockdown. I have a lot of anxieties that make using things like phone services hard to use.

 

[SpottedPanda]

It is quite hard to access any services here at the best of times unless you are known to be actively suicidal, which if I was found out would ruin my uni course. But things look to be even more awkward at the moment due to the lockdown. I have a lot of anxieties that make using things like phone services hard to use.

I can relate. I hate using the phone due to paranoia, awkwardness and anxiety, and my care coordinator has missed my last two appointments. Still, this lockdown won't go on for too long

 

[Acerakis]

I can relate. I hate using the phone due to paranoia, awkwardness and anxiety, and my care coordinator has missed my last two appointments. Still, this lockdown won't go on for too long

My main problem at the moment is I am feeling completely touch starved and its doing a serious number on my mental health. There's not even any mention of being able to touch people from other households being on the horizon so it feels like its going to be at least 2 months.

 

[SpottedPanda]

My main problem at the moment is I am feeling completely touch starved and its doing a serious number on my mental health. There's not even any mention of being able to touch people from other households being on the horizon so it feels like its going to be at least 2 months.

Although I generally don't touch anyone, I can imagine that could be tough

 

[Acerakis]

Although I generally don't touch anyone, I can imagine that could be tough

Its rare for me as well, but 0% chance over the usually not very often seems to be an unbearable change for me.

 

[SpottedPanda]

Its rare for me as well, but 0% chance over the usually not very often seems to be an unbearable change for me.

Well let New Zealand be an inspiration to you. They're going back to normal now. It won't be too long a wait before everyone else follows suit

 

[Acerakis]

Well let New Zealand be an inspiration to you. They're going back to normal now. It won't be too long a wait before everyone else follows suit

UK unfortunately have bungled the whole thing. We are second or third hardest hit in the world depending on how screwed Brazil is.

 

[SpottedPanda]

UK unfortunately have bungled the whole thing. We are second or third hardest hit in the world depending on how screwed Brazil is.

We're currently number two, as far as I'm aware. I'm in the UK

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I wouldn't say ctb is the only way, but it is a rational response. I posted about this elsewhere, slightly modified here:

Here are the Stoic's rational reasons for leaving the party (suicide):

1. In service of one's country, i.e., an old friend shows up to the party and requires your services.

2. The arrival of rowdy revelers, i.e., tyrants who force us to say or do disgraceful things at the party.

3. Protracted illness that prevents the soul from the use of its tool, the body, i.e., spoilage of provisions for the party.

4. Poverty, i.e., scarceness of party provisions.

5. Madness, i.e., drunkenness at the party. In Buddhist terms, intoxicants lower one's inhibitions against doing no harm to others and, by default, the self, or in Stoic terms, lower the inhibitions against practicing virtue, or the ability to practice it. It would be a dangerous party for the wise and virtuous one who practiced moderation.

Source: Griffin, Miriam. "Philosophy, Cato, and Roman Suicide I," Greece and Rome, vol. 33, no. 1, 1986, pp. 64-77. Original source cited by Griffin, Stoicorum Veterum Fragmenta, a 1903-1905 collection by Hans von Arnim of fragments and testimony of the earlier Stoics.

This article and article II are available for free online viewing at JSTOR.

 

[FriendofDeath]

It is quite hard to access any services here at the best of times unless you are known to be actively suicidal, which if I was found out would ruin my uni course. But things look to be even more awkward at the moment due to the lockdown. I have a lot of anxieties that make using things like phone services hard to use.

There might be some online options at no cost. I found a peer to peer group and I used to be part of a site called Patients Like Me, but I don't know if you can use that one anonymously. I just got out of the habit logging on there. Might go back. Hope you can find some relief.

I wouldn't say ctb is the only way, but it is a rational response. I posted about this elsewhere, slightly modified here:

Very interesting.