Is a happy suicide possible?

[Lookoutbelow]

Most of us here are living in shear pain, misery and despairation. We long for death, but most of us have not been able to complete that mission yet. We are stuck living with the pain. As humans we are programmed to avoid pain and move towards pleasure. We have decided that CTB is our best option to avoid pain, but when most of us think about CTB it creates more pain. Even if we say we look forward to doing it. Psychologically we are not looking forward to it. CTB is just an avoidance of pain. We need to somehow look at CTB in a positive pleasurable way. Then both requirements are covered. We avoid pain (life) and move towards pleasure (death). I catch glimpses of feeling pleasure when I think about CTB. I just can't sustain it. I believe if I can CTB with a positive attitude it will help overcome SI. Asking for your thoughts.

 

[アホペンギン]

Yes! A peaceful and happy ctb is actually possible, you just have to be mentally ready (basically destroyed mentally) to be able to enjoy your ctb. And of course if you don't have a good pain tolerance a peaceful method is necessary to achieve this peacefulness that you seek for during ctb, but, of course all peaceful ways of ctb are having restrictions placed on them and even being banned.

 

[Darkover]

if i had access to a peaceful reliable method i'd be long gone and it would be a happy ending to a terrible lifetime

 

[Alpercino]

Isnt it all about suicide methods & aftermath?

Magic pill + no kids etc. and it wouldnt take much to overcome SI imo

 

[Is0lated]

A happy ctb may be different for every single person. For example, I'd be so happy if I ran away and died with someone, anyone. There's just something comforting about it

 

[FuneralCry]

I do see suicide as something positive and relieving as it's the way to find peace from all future suffering and if I had a method like Nembutal that lead to guaranteed death, I would only feel relieved. I just think the problem is that suicide is so unnecessarily difficult, especially as we exist in this anti-suicide society where peaceful method options are restricted, if it's more straightforward to cease existing then suicide would always be a comfort.

 

[HAL 9000]

There are a myriad of methods in order to achieve contentment and happiness before crossing the threshold. For one to achieve this state of being they would have to destroy most of the notions that were instilled in them from adolescence. The individual in question would have to completely redefine what it means to be Human. Furthermore, reconciliation with the past, those around you and the very nature of the Universe is crucial for this development to take place. Even then there's no guarantee that all of this won't turn to shit when the day arrives to CTB.

 

[Lys_C15H25N3O_d3]

Yes! A peaceful and happy ctb is actually possible, you just have to be mentally ready (basically destroyed mentally) to be able to enjoy your ctb. And of course if you don't have a good pain tolerance a peaceful method is necessary to achieve this peacefulness that you seek for during ctb, but, of course all peaceful ways of ctb are having restrictions placed on them and even being banned.

"You just have to be mentally ready (basically destroyed mentally)"
10000% agreed. being "mentally destroyed/ready" doesn't give you worries your second-guessing... doesn't bother if you have or doesn't have a "philosophical/religious insight" I even think that 5 to 10min is time enough to think.


Mr Cat (sorry i'm unable to comprehend kanji) raised a very valid and important issue indeed...
If you need to be at peace, to achieve the mental readiness needed to go through. (high pain tolerance usually ends up in impulsive acts that have a high probability of failure of permanent-self injury (dont want to be tied to a chair)



Not going over politics, but if theres so much talking about abortion, why restrict ban and even in some cases "outlaw" attempts ? (yeah if the person survives its jail, either public disturbance or potential "threat"


Even enshrouded in deep dark troubled thoughts, some of us aren't as selfish to put other ppl at risk too. traffic accidents or traumatize cops (a young corporal deeply got disturbed after acting in "self defense" against someone wielding a toy. i heard he got sloppy (or just HUMAN to think twice before pulling) and that costed his life when faced by underage drug crazed kids pulled iron on him.. (of course for kids in this type of life, they couldn't care less that's why the morgues are filled with jonh doe's.. on the other hand , there's the "stereotype : shoot first ask questions later"


what really left me curious... was in a business trip to another state. i keep seeing cops who had 2 holsters (one on the waist the other on the chest) the waist held the corporation's standard-issue semi-automatic pistol. the holster by the upper chest, held a snub nosed .38
"why you guys carry 2 weapons?"


"rapáiz é o seguinte, a quadrada eh da corporação o revórve é pra uso pessoal mermo" - roughly: "its simple, the handgun is the corporation's weapon, and this second one here "its for our personal use"
So, is it "okay" to carry law-enforcement restricted ammo for use in police-military ops, and also ok to carry "ammo allowed for civilians with permit (you have to spend a lot of money here to legally own a weapon, and in my humble opinion thats just an incentive for people acquiring through non-legal ways (neglecting precious training and knowledge about firearms)


ALso i remember a standoff.. some dude went over the edge and wanted to give a b-day gift to his daughter.. divorced mother panicked, called lawyers, who called the cops and hours after everybody lost their patience with the desperate guy on the roof (no hostages) no one will never know if he "shot himself or if "the spec ops team" engaged in gunfire (interestingly, those "swat-likes" teams are known to have access to every caliber unavailable to civilians as well as submachine guns and armor piercing bullets..
How did the guy ended up dead with 3 shots to the neck? in a third-world country there ain't no such thing as "ballistics exam" / use of force in proportion to the threat" (even though he worked in a busy corporate building. didn't take hostages but went totally nuts when was denied the right to talk to his daughter.

"None of you will take me alive " - my daughter means everything to me and you have taken it!"
For obvious reasons nobody took him down while there were cameras pointing at him.. for (un)known reasons on the way down to meet his lawyer and turn himself in, "The crazed man started shooting at the rescue team inside the building (yes no evidence was ever released nor needed. just another madman who put people's lives at risk and "a reminder of the danger of firearms"



TL DR: (as usual. but nor for long)


Restricting,banning making it impossible for someone who's "had enough" will only lead to desperate attempts and even anger at authorities (which are not to be blamed. they're just "carrying out orders" right?)



It would be demographically catasthropical if kids/teens started offing themselves everywhere... but thats a matter of upbringing, and it starts at home . The last generation seems to not have paid enough attention and now that everyone is troubled "its a state matter" its a "pill problem" There are "more experimental treatments coming"
if a A LOT OF PEOPLE are struggling, maybe they aren't the ones really sick. Its a taboo. in 11 hours and 33 minutes i will have failed myself again. just wanted a quick exit. no hassle, no blood, no broken glass, no news...


WELL THANK you state. pharmaceutical companies will lose a big % of their income if people stop insisting in unsuccesfull tested treatments ..... Can you imagine being a guinea pig for decades? is this living? Why would someone wanna to "give up"? i assure most of these pre$cribed meds by doctor$ have seriously aggravated peoples wellbeing

 

[manuel1056x]

I think it is possible when you have an painless method and no reason to be alive. In my case, I have my family that I will more than just disappoint when I do suicide. So, an happy suicide is not possible for me.

 

[Lookoutbelow]

Y

There are a myriad of methods in order to achieve contentment and happiness before crossing the threshold. For one to achieve this state of being they would have to destroy most of the notions that were instilled in them from adolescence. The individual in question would have to completely redefine what it means to be Human. Furthermore, reconciliation with the past, those around you and the very nature of the Universe is crucial for this development to take place. Even then there's no guarantee that all of this won't turn to shit when the day arrives to CTB.

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You speak the truth.

 

[Death is my goal]

it's subjective

 

[conarc]

SN is called the new Nembutal. Peaceful pill handbook may help.

https://www.rcpa.edu.au/getattachment/18007b50-56ac-4001-8fa3-1cfc5e063997/Forensic-E-Poster-PathUpdate-2021.aspx&ved=2ahUKEwil_vjAq8aBAxUuwAIHHQOtDFMQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1elEcf224jHohMjGdmu9X4

 

[Davey36000]

Yes it's possible. You can get happy drugs involved that will give you a high, and then suicide. You can combine that drug to whatever activity you enjoy.

 

[HAL 9000]

Y

You speak the truth.

I merely attempt to speak from my limited experience. I wish you the very best in all your endeavors. Be well.

 

[Dying Knight]

I think, some N2O users actually had "happy end", but this gas may be difficult to obtain.

 

[outlook56]

Will it make a big difference?
I mean, it's a bad hole for me. I mean planet Earth. There were many more bad days than good days. I won't find a difference if you're sad or happy.

 

[sserafim]

if i had access to a peaceful reliable method i'd be long gone and it would be a happy ending to a terrible lifetime

Same! The issue is that there's always a risk you'll end up surviving, and to make matters worse, you might even be left with permanent damage. The uncertainty of it all is what's stopped me from doing it already

I think, some N2O users actually had "happy end", but this gas may be difficult to obtain.

They probably went out laughing right

 

[LonelyKitten]

On a psychological level, I personally doubt it is possible in practice.
Survival instinct is insanely powerful, no matter how rationally convinced you are that death is better for you.
It will disrupt you, either mentally (grasping at parts of your life to still love even if you discounted them mere moments prior, intrusive thoughts of how gruesome death/a potential afterlife is etc.), or physically (involuntary disruptions to your attempt like calling for help against your will, thrashing out of hanging etc.)

So I believe it will make you think in whatever way is required for you to try to stop your attempt - if happy thoughts make your attempt possible, it will attack those.
Remember, at the end of the day, all is relative and we can believe anything we want - especially once our brain goes off the rails (which it will during extremes like immense suffering or a ctb attempt)

That's why people seek methods like SN or N, as they are further removed from many of the psychological factors that survival instinct can use to hold one back from pulling through.
The fact that this can be invaluable for a completed attempt, let alone a "happy" one, highlights the power survival instinct has over one's psyche in spite of one's suffering and yearning for relief.

Maybe mind-altering drugs can help induce some form of euphoria in final moments, though it would be "fake", if you want to think of it that way.

 

[HAL 9000]

On a psychological level, I personally doubt it is possible in practice.
Survival instinct is insanely powerful, no matter how rationally convinced you are that death is better for you.
It will disrupt you, either mentally (grasping at parts of your life to still love even if you discounted them mere moments prior, intrusive thoughts of how gruesome death/a potential afterlife is etc.), or physically (involuntary disruptions to your attempt like calling for help against your will, thrashing out of hanging etc.)

So I believe it will make you think in whatever way is required for you to try to stop your attempt - if happy thoughts make your attempt possible, it will attack those.
Remember, at the end of the day, all is relative and we can believe anything we want - especially once our brain goes off the rails (which it will during extremes like immense suffering or a ctb attempt)

That's why people seek methods like SN or N, as they are further removed from many of the psychological factors that survival instinct can use to hold one back from pulling through.
The fact that this can be invaluable for a completed attempt, let alone a "happy" one, highlights the power survival instinct has over one's psyche in spite of one's suffering and yearning for relief.

Maybe mind-altering drugs can help induce some form of euphoria in final moments, though it would be "fake", if you want to think of it that way.

I was thoroughly convinced of this until I watched the video of that Monk self immolating. It's more than possible to ride off into the sunset if an individual conditions themselves properly. It is however a HUGE investment that may not pay off when the moment arrives.

 

[Bacon and Baseball]

Most of us here are living in shear pain, misery and despairation. We long for death, but most of us have not been able to complete that mission yet. We are stuck living with the pain. As humans we are programmed to avoid pain and move towards pleasure. We have decided that CTB is our best option to avoid pain, but when most of us think about CTB it creates more pain. Even if we say we look forward to doing it. Psychologically we are not looking forward to it. CTB is just an avoidance of pain. We need to somehow look at CTB in a positive pleasurable way. Then both requirements are covered. We avoid pain (life) and move towards pleasure (death). I catch glimpses of feeling pleasure when I think about CTB. I just can't sustain it. I believe if I can CTB with a positive attitude it will help overcome SI. Asking for your thoughts.

I see more thoughtful comments on this website than any other discussion type of forum I've ever come across

 

[turntechGodhead]

personally i think so since a ctb like that would not be influenced by emotions yk?? like it won't be an impulsive decision especially if the person considers death as the only way they can find peace

 

[SVEN]

Only if I succeed. It's the destination I seek, not the journey.

 

[outlook56]

There are a myriad of methods in order to achieve contentment and happiness before crossing the threshold. For one to achieve this state of being they would have to destroy most of the notions that were instilled in them from adolescence. The individual in question would have to completely redefine what it means to be Human. Furthermore, reconciliation with the past, those around you and the very nature of the Universe is crucial for this development to take place. Even then there's no guarantee that all of this won't turn to shit when the day arrives to CTB.

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Tolerance and reconciliation is fk Bullshit !!!!
Don't tell me be happy and forgive everyone For tolerance!!

I will not tolerate my lover who left me alone in the swamp, or my brother who beat me, or the person who raped me! The ant is an animal that defends itself!!
What you call tolerance I call injustice to myself, gagging and silencing the truth...!!

 

[Praestat_Mori]

A Happy suicide is possible in my opinion. It's subjective but when someone is absolutely ready to go then I think there can also be a feeeling of happiness of being relieved from all the pain and suffering in life.

 

[HAL 9000]

Tolerance and reconciliation is fk Bullshit !!!!
Don't tell me be happy and forgive everyone For tolerance!!

I will not tolerate my lover who left me alone in the swamp, or my brother who beat me, or the person who raped me! The ant is an animal that defends itself!!
What you call tolerance I call injustice to myself, gagging and silencing the truth...!!

I am not saying you have to approach these people and say you forgive them. If you wish to CTB in a state of serenity or joy then you have to reconcile with the fact that certain things transpired that you had no control over because we are bereft of it. Hate them, love them or feel neutral about them. Own your feelings so Eternity can come naturally.