Discussion Is 200ml really necessary?

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

After watching assisted suicide videos using N , all the videos I've seen show a person drinking about 2 swallows of liquid ( slightly more than a shot glass), then drifting off fairly quickly.

Being in the USA Millimeters are not a common measurement of liquid. So I bought a 100milileter cylinder, filled it with water and emptied it into a glass then repeated...

I was surprised how much 200 Milileters actually is. I drank the water as fast as I could and while I'm sure it was around 5 seconds, it took me 5 gulps to get it down... this is with water... it makes me wonder how easy 200ml of N will actually be. I am under the impression that this substance is bitter to a level that we can't compare. My concern here is not the taste, when one is ending their life taste seems of little relevance. My concern would be the gag reflex. Does anyone know why so little of the substance is used in Switzerland? Do they use a more potent substance is 200ml really required or is that just... pardon the expression "overkill"?

 

[Berlin76]

After watching assisted suicide videos using N , all the videos I've seen show a person drinking about 2 swallows of liquid ( slightly more than a shot glass), then drifting off fairly quickly.

Being in the USA Millimeters are not a common measurement of liquid. So I bought a 100milileter cylinder, filled it with water and emptied it into a glass then repeated...

I was surprised how much 200 Milileters actually is. I drank the water as fast as I could and while I'm sure it was around 5 seconds, it took me 5 gulps to get it down... this is with water... it makes me wonder how easy 200ml of N will actually be. I am under the impression that this substance is bitter to a level that we can't compare. My concern here is not the taste, when one is ending their life taste seems of little relevance. My concern would be the gag reflex. Does anyone know why so little of the substance is used in Switzerland? Do they use a more potent substance is 200ml really required or is that just... pardon the expression "overkill"?

Yep the 200ml is necessary because it contains 12,6 grams of N. This is almost what they use at euthanasia.

And from my own experience i failed with N because i did not have thhe right anti emetics. And the taste is what also stopped me because i started gaging.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

The videos use powdered N thats why. 200ml is almost a third of a bottle of booze

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

The videos use powdered N thats why. 200ml is almost a third of a bottle of booze

It almost has me rethinking the SN method 50ml of salty rubber taste is not much liquid and probably has a much lower chance of gagging.

200ml is an awful lot of liquid... N is preferable to me because sleep seems to come in a matter of minutes. While SN seems like it's closer to 20 minutes with possible symptoms of pain and anxiety. But jeez, I'd never be able to down 200ml of anything but water... probably not even coke or pepsi. But with no reliable source of powder its liquid or nothing.

Yep the 200ml is necessary because it contains 12,6 grams of N. This is almost what they use at euthanasia.

And from my own experience i failed with N because i did not have thhe right anti emetics. And the taste is what also stopped me because i started gaging.

@Berlin76 How much were you able to get down? I wonder if the liquid form is diluted perhaps it's not as bitter as the smaller amount mixed with powder. Did you fail from vomiting or you simply could not drink it all?

 

[Farmmaa]

It depends on which concentration it is purchased in.
Veterinarians use small, concentrated vials of injectable.... so a shot glass full of that would suffice.

 

[Berlin76]

It almost has me rethinking the SN method 50ml of salty rubber taste is not much liquid and probably has a much lower chance of gagging.

200ml is an awful lot of liquid... N is preferable to me because sleep seems to come in a matter of minutes. While SN seems like it's closer to 20 minutes with possible symptoms of pain and anxiety. But jeez, I'd never be able to down 200ml of anything but water... probably not even coke or pepsi. But with no reliable source of powder its liquid or nothing.

@Berlin76 How much were you able to get down? I wonder if the liquid form is diluted perhaps it's not as bitter as the smaller amount mixed with powder. Did you fail from vomiting or you simply could not drink it all?

Had a sip and started gaging so i spit it out. And more gaging followed. Had domperidon and that didn't work at all.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

Had a sip and started gaging so i spit it out. And more gaging followed. Had domperidon and that didn't work at all.

Wow... I have found some posts from people from 2018 saying it tastes like toxic rusty chemical waste. I think there must be a huge difference between the powder and the veterinary product. After all the veterinary product is meant to be injected.
That is just so much liquid, glad I saved my money. Going to get nitrogen. Quicker and no taste

 

[Jean4]

Would it be easier to put it in flavored water?

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

Would it be easier to put it in flavored water?

I don't think so, I think it's the additional chemicals in the mixture that make it taste so toxic, and adding flavored water would just increase the amount needed to drink... I think I'll see If I can find the powder or go with Nitrogen or CO

 

[Jean4]

I don't think so, I think it's the additional chemicals in the mixture that make it taste so toxic, and adding flavored water would just increase the amount needed to drink... I think I'll see If I can find the powder or go with Nitrogen or CO

We have something called Hint Water in the USA. I don't think there are chemicals in it.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

We have something called Hint Water in the USA. I don't think there are chemicals in it.

I mean the chemicals added to the veterinary grade N. You see people drink the powder solution and talk about how horribly bitter it is, but no one talks about it tasting like toxic waste also the powder requires so much less volume. I wonder where the swiss clinics acquire it from.

I mean the chemicals added to the veterinary grade N. You see people drink the powder solution and talk about how horribly bitter it is, but no one talks about it tasting like toxic waste also the powder requires so much less volume. I wonder where the swiss clinics acquire it from.

mixing the powder with flavored water would be a good idea

 

[Mud.]

I've tasted N. multiple times (even slept on it) before I brought the bottles to a safety locker.
I used an injection needle to extract the N.
I didn't gag once and I didn't use any metos.

I can understand why some people do gag though.
If it had been sour. I would have had a big problem too.
But it reminds me of medicine and I'm used to taking those.
Think of aspirine melting on the back of your tongue.

I guess it's different for everybody.

 

[Emily123]

Should we mix it with juice ?

 

[Mud.]

Should we mix it with juice ?

I'm no doctor and everybody's different but I'm not mixing it with anything.
It will only increase the volume. The taste of N. is just too strong for that.

I've also decided not to take honey or something before intake.
The aftertaste is the worst imo. It really lingers.

I experimented a little and I I found dark chocolate works the best against the aftertaste for me.
I hadn't expected that. They use it at Dignitas but the feeling to have mass in my mouth after intake never sat well with me.
But I've found Dark Chocolate Custard at my local supermarket. I think I'll go for that :)

(I don't drink Alcohol though. A shot of Alcohol may work just as well.)

 

[Emily123]

I was also thinking that we don't have enough time to drink more than 200 ml before going to sleep so it is better to not mix it . I can drink whisky or vodka very fast . I don't know how is the taste of N in compare to alchol? Eating dark chocolate after it may be a good idea to prevent vomiting

 

[Berlin76]

I'm no doctor and everybody's different but I'm not mixing it with anything.
It will only increase the volume. The taste of N. is just too strong for that.

I've also decided not to take honey or something before intake.
The aftertaste is the worst imo. It really lingers.

I experimented a little and I I found dark chocolate works the best against the aftertaste for me.
I hadn't expected that. They use it at Dignitas but the feeling to have mass in my mouth after intake never sat well with me.
But I've found Dark Chocolate Custard at my local supermarket. I think I'll go for that :)

(I don't drink Alcohol though. A shot of Alcohol may work just as well.)

I already vomit with 2ml of N in november 2018. I do have stomach problems so that can be the reason why i am sensitive.

 

[Death.]

If you weigh under 100lb and have no alcohol/opiod tolerance than 100ml will be enough. Just ensure you have enough time to not be found.

 

[Fragile]

lethal doses go as low as 6 grams of N, and there are ways to make it easier to take, have you consider a funnel?

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

I know me, I would probably be able to get 100ml of just about anything down
I mean I can chew aspirin and caffeine pills with no gagging.

The taste really isn't the worry, its getting the 2nd 100ml down after the horrible taste of the 1st 100ml kicks in. I don't know what kind of condition 100ml would leave me in, probably not good. I weight 150 pounds so 1 bottle would not be enough. Then I'd be in the psych ward...

I think I might try B and see if I can get the powder of perhaps another method is better for me. I also suspect that the toxic waste taste someone else described could be from all the stabilizers added to the liquid and perhaps that taste would change depending on the brand. To many unknowns...

As gross as it might seem to someone i wonder if an enima would work if the person stayed face down.

It's so much money to waste to end up not being able to achieve the goal, and for me having those disease I maybe have 3 or 4 months before things become intolerable. So I better figure it out.

Again for anyone reading this thinking I'm worried about the taste... I am not, when one is ending their life taste is of little concern, I am worried about the gag reflex keeping me from getting it all down. Metro would have no effect on taste buds and the natural gag reflex that I would have no control over.

lethal doses go as low as 6 grams of N, and there are ways to make it easier to take, have you consider a funnel?

Interesting idea

 

[NextBusLeaving]

B is scammer now or has gone no contact. Either way proceed with caution.

 

[Ark]

100ml is enough 99 or more percent of the time. Assuming you are talking about 6gm anyway. Bring over 100 pounds does not change that.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

B is scammer now or has gone no contact. Either way proceed with caution.

Okay thanks for that info... the contact from him seemed very brief with no real details and pretty suspicious.

 

[Ark]

The price is high even for one bottle. But the ease of use and peacefulness it provides for the desired effect was more than worth it for me. I was perfectly content with using one bottle after all my research. The only reason I am using two is because two is how many I am getting and I have no reason to leave a bottle behind of course. Personally I would not be deterred at all about only having one bottle. And last I knew one could get one bottle for $550 shipped.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

The price is high even for one bottle. But the ease of use and peacefulness it provides for the desired effect was more than worth it for me. I was perfectly content with using one bottle after all my research. The only reason I am using two is because two is how many I am getting and I have no reason to leave a bottle behind of course. Personally I would not be deterred at all about only having one bottle. And last I knew one could get one bottle for $550 shipped.

Not sure on the price for 1 but 2 isn't much more. I have yet to find a post on this site or any other similar sites that show any success stories with the veterinary grade. I mean I am sure there are people who have done it... just because it's not on a web site doesnt mean it hasn't happened. It seems most people that post their experiences just can't get down 2 bottles... I imagine I would be one of those people. 1 bottle is 6 grams, and none of the clinics use less than 9, one uses 12. And that is in elderly sick patients. I think people are buying this stuff as a last resort plan, but I have yet to see a success story with the veterinary version of the product... I was set on this method,.I was 100% sure of being able to do it, then I measured 200ml of water...Its a lot

 

[Ark]

Ok. My health is crap, and I will be honest, I tend to hope people will research things a bit before coming to conclusions. If I can manage to get myself to sit up and do the searches I will post all the links that are easily found by anyone for you. There IS data easily found showing that without intervention or vomiting 6gr from a 100ml bottle has almost, if not, a 100% success rate.
Found the first one before I even sat up.

"Is one 100ml bottle of Nembutal enough for a peaceful death?
While there are several florid accounts of failure by people taking a full
100ml bottle of veterinary Nembutal, closer scrutiny shows a much more
complex situation. Exit has examined the details and medical records of
several such cases.
In the vast majority of cases, one bottle (100ml @ 60mg/ml) of Nembutal
will be satisfactory. However, there is a small group (<1%) who may exhibit
a prolongued comatose phase before death (sometimes up to 24 hours).
Outright 'failures' remain extremely rare. Indeed, all of the reported failures
investigated were associated with discovery and medical intervention. This
emphasises the need for careful selection of the place chosen to take the
drugs.
In some of the analysed cases, the long comatose phase is associated with the
prolonged use of anti-psychotic medication, prior to taking the barbiturate.
It is presumed the induction of liver enzymes by these drugs causes some
degradation of the Nembutal before it reaches the brain. In this situation,
increasing the quantity of drug taken (eg. to 2 bottles, 12gm) may not
necessarily hasten the death.
Exit has examined the use of several potentiating drugs which may be
dissolved into the liquid Nembutal, removing any possibility of extended
coma. The results of these tests will be published in future editions of the
eHandbook."

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

Ok. My health is crap, and I will be honest, I tend to hope people will research things a bit before coming to conclusions. If I can manage to get myself to sit up and do the searches I will post all the links that are easily found by anyone for you. There IS data easily found showing that without intervention or vomiting 6gr from a 100ml bottle has almost, if not, a 100% success rate.
Found the first one before I even sat up.

"Is one 100ml bottle of Nembutal enough for a peaceful death?
While there are several florid accounts of failure by people taking a full
100ml bottle of veterinary Nembutal, closer scrutiny shows a much more
complex situation. Exit has examined the details and medical records of
several such cases.
In the vast majority of cases, one bottle (100ml @ 60mg/ml) of Nembutal
will be satisfactory. However, there is a small group (<1%) who may exhibit
a prolongued comatose phase before death (sometimes up to 24 hours).
Outright 'failures' remain extremely rare. Indeed, all of the reported failures
investigated were associated with discovery and medical intervention. This
emphasises the need for careful selection of the place chosen to take the
drugs.
In some of the analysed cases, the long comatose phase is associated with the
prolonged use of anti-psychotic medication, prior to taking the barbiturate.
It is presumed the induction of liver enzymes by these drugs causes some
degradation of the Nembutal before it reaches the brain. In this situation,
increasing the quantity of drug taken (eg. to 2 bottles, 12gm) may not
necessarily hasten the death.
Exit has examined the use of several potentiating drugs which may be
dissolved into the liquid Nembutal, removing any possibility of extended
coma. The results of these tests will be published in future editions of the
eHandbook."

Interesting... thank you... funny because I actually did some real searching on this and could not find any useful info... just a bunch of anti suicide reddit crap. I must be using the wrong search engine.. I appreciate the effort, I really do, thank you. I am sorry you are not feeling well... I guess the 24 hour period is key. This won't be to hard for me since I live alone...I do have a an extremely elevated bilirubin in my liver as a result of my condition, I guess it's impossible to know how that may work for or against me. This is not something I want to screw up. Its also really hard for me to sort out facts from pro life propaganda.

 

[EBEN30]

Would it be easier to put it in flavored water?

No, N is a similar bitterness taste to biting into / chewing a paracetamol/tylenol only worse because more volume.

That's why in the resource thread it talks about practising by chewing on these tablets as it will get you used to the taste.

Adding it to water would be like crushing up some paracetamol and putting them into water / coke / juice / whatever substance, it will only make it worse because it's still going to be bitter and you're going to have to drink a larger quantity of that bitter stuff then.

If you're talking about adding a bit of flavour to the 200 mls of N then again, no, because it's so concentrated there's no escaping that bitter taste, any flavouring will be overshadowed by that bitterness so I doubt it would be of any use.

I've heard of people using a funnel to take it before because it reduces the time the substance is in contact with your tongue and taste buds, I still imagine you'd taste some bitterness but people have said it helps, I suppose one could practice with a funnel and some paracetamol mixed in water.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

No, N is a similar bitterness taste to biting into / chewing a paracetamol/tylenol only worse because more volume.

That's why in the resource thread it talks about practising by chewing on these tablets as it will get you used to the taste.

Adding it to water would be like crushing up some paracetamol and putting them into water / coke / juice / whatever substance, it will only make it worse because it's still going to be bitter and you're going to have to drink a larger quantity of that bitter stuff then.

If you're talking about adding a bit of flavour to the 200 mls of N then again, no, because it's so concentrated there's no escaping that bitter taste, any flavouring will be overshadowed by that bitterness so I doubt it would be of any use.

I've heard of people using a funnel to take it before because it reduces the time the substance is in contact with your tongue and taste buds, I still imagine you'd taste some bitterness but people have said it helps, I suppose one could practice with a funnel and some paracetamol mixed in water.

The funnel idea is a good one
We do have taste buds in our esophagus but not nearly as much as we do on our tongue... I know I can deal with bitter, even extreme bitterness. I'm just wondering if the veterinary grade has a different taste than the powder. It seems there are a lot of stabilizing agents to preserve the liquid. One person on this forum said it was so bad they couldn't get 2ml down without gagging. I guess there is only 1 way to find out... but I can't believe i am actually considering SN... I have made a lot of skeptical and critical comments about that method. But 50ml of salty water vs 200ml of what was described as not bitter but "rusty toxic waste" sure seems a lot easier.

It's the quickness of N that is so appealing, but I'm starting to have doubts on if the veterinary product and powder made for human consumption dont have completely different tastes.

The possible side effects of SN seem horrible and enduring up to 20 minutes of pain... I just dont know...

I guess I'll get the N and if it doesnt work out I'll go with CO. I own a legal and licensed fiream but I could never leave anyone with that trauma...

 

[EBEN30]

The funnel idea is a good one
We do have taste buds in our esophagus but not nearly as much as we do on our tongue... I know I can deal with bitter, even extreme bitterness. I'm just wondering if the veterinary grade has a different taste than the powder. It seems there are a lot of stabilizing agents to preserve the liquid. One person on this forum said it was so bad they couldn't get 2ml down without gagging. I guess there is only 1 way to find out... but I can't believe i am actually considering SN... I have made a lot of skeptical and critical comments about that method. But 50ml of salty water vs 200ml of what was described as not bitter but "rusty toxic waste" sure seems a lot easier.

It's the quickness of N that is so appealing, but I'm starting to have doubts on if the veterinary product and powder made for human consumption dont have completely different tastes.

The possible side effects of SN seem horrible and enduring up to 20 minutes of pain... I just dont know...

I guess I'll get the N and if it doesnt work out I'll go with CO. I own a legal and licensed fiream but I could never leave anyone with that trauma...

I've read SO MANY SN goodbye threads on here and honestly one of them mentioned pain but didn't elaborate.

Pain is pretty subjective as well, like if you have a headache I think we'd all agree a headache even on a scale on 1-10 and the headache being a 1 it's still painful but almost makes little difference or it might have been some slight chest pain, we know SN can give a dull headache and causes a racing heart but from observations nobody has been in any sort of prolonged pain.

The guy who just put the word pain in his post, I'm sure if he was in agony 1) he wouldn't have had time / the focus to reply due to the pain 2) he would have made it clear, don't do this very painful, but he didn't he just wrote the word pain and listed other symptoms / how he was feeling / what he was experiencing.

Personally, I trust EI to be telling the truth, I'm not the biggest fan of their organisation BUT I very much doubt with SN being so cheap and readily available that they'd lie about witnessing 6 people pass by SN and claiming their deaths were peaceful. Exit's membership base consists of a large portion of elderly people, a lot of them couples, some of them terminally ill with partners who support their plans, if a partner witnessed it was painful it would only take 1 or 2 accounts for the whole method to be put at risk and Exit's reputation and credibility be shaken.

I didn't like the sound of SN either when I first found out about it but actually looking into it and researching and studying it more and more I've found it to be very peaceful, I've found no evidence to suggest that it's anything other than peaceful. A lot of the people found are found without vomit but at worst vomiting seems to be the worst and most likely symptom.

I think SN is probably going to replace N as the next best thing over the years that come, the sad thing about that is I think it will become so difficult to get your hands on as there will undoubtedly be a crack down on it, there already has been to an extent.

 

[angie]

I already vomit with 2ml of N in november 2018. I do have stomach problems so that can be the reason why i am sensitive.

I just read that put some peppermint extract into a small cap .pour it into your mouth and coat your tongue with it. spit it out and rinse your mouth with cold water . says your taste buds will now be useless for the next hour . Seems like a mouthwash. but not sure if peppermint extract is stronger .. than usual mouthwash .