The thread wasn't mine. I enjoy talking to people with views different from my own (assuming they are written in good faith, which isn't always the case). Showing and learning different perspectives can be helpful.
I'm assuming good intentions of the developers of this site, and good intentions of people trying to help suicidal people.
Anyway, here is a reply I wrote, almost verbatim. Didn't want it to go to waste.
Best reply in this thread that actually answers the question instead of attacking OP. - I understand their frustration, but I don't think that's the way to communicate. If that isn't the answer they were looking for, there are plenty of easy to find resources here.
Plenty of people would like to live their lives (in a way that doesn't hurt others, just minding their own business), including myself, if it wasn't so miserable for often unsolveable reasons.
Removing ways to commit suicide doesn't solve their problem. Throwing them into a mental hospital (and patting yourself on the back for doing good work) doesn't solve the undelying issue either.
I knew somebody who was forcebly put into a mental hospital for suicidal thoughts. Not sure how that helps them. Taxpayers pay for that person and keep them miserable instead of letting them die peacefully. If we are being pragmatic, letting them die would allow him to donate his organs (if they wishe to), instead of wasting everybodies money. There are cases where this is helpful, but if the person just sitting their for no reason why their problems are not being fixed - they would stay there forever, unless they lie.
How to fix "solve the problem that makes them suicidal"? That depends on the reason.
I see so much evil go unpunished or even rewarded. So many lies, so much misinformation. How do you even start fixing that, when there are people who willingfully benefit from that, from diving others, blaming orhers, breaking stuff intentionally, deliberately keeping people hopeless.
And those brave enough who attempt to fix that are threatned or destroyed in one way or another, just to keep going and benefit from implicting misery on people, who would love to just live their lives. Fix that.
When I was younger I found history lessons boring. I still do, but at least now I see somebenefit from learning it.
Keep people educated, informed. Stop believing people who constantly lie. Teach people about manipulation techniques so they can be aware when it is used upon them. Maybe that should even be taught in school. Raise empathy of others, somehow. Stop being selfish, greedy. Sometimes people are in terrible situations which was not their fault; and they tried to fix that several times, unsuccessfully.
I hope you, OP, aren't and will never have to be in such position like many of people here are.
I'm assuming good intentions of the developers of this site, and good intentions of people trying to help suicidal people.
Anyway, here is a reply I wrote, almost verbatim. Didn't want it to go to waste.
Best reply in this thread that actually answers the question instead of attacking OP. - I understand their frustration, but I don't think that's the way to communicate. If that isn't the answer they were looking for, there are plenty of easy to find resources here.
Plenty of people would like to live their lives (in a way that doesn't hurt others, just minding their own business), including myself, if it wasn't so miserable for often unsolveable reasons.
Removing ways to commit suicide doesn't solve their problem. Throwing them into a mental hospital (and patting yourself on the back for doing good work) doesn't solve the undelying issue either.
I knew somebody who was forcebly put into a mental hospital for suicidal thoughts. Not sure how that helps them. Taxpayers pay for that person and keep them miserable instead of letting them die peacefully. If we are being pragmatic, letting them die would allow him to donate his organs (if they wishe to), instead of wasting everybodies money. There are cases where this is helpful, but if the person just sitting their for no reason why their problems are not being fixed - they would stay there forever, unless they lie.
How to fix "solve the problem that makes them suicidal"? That depends on the reason.
I see so much evil go unpunished or even rewarded. So many lies, so much misinformation. How do you even start fixing that, when there are people who willingfully benefit from that, from diving others, blaming orhers, breaking stuff intentionally, deliberately keeping people hopeless.
And those brave enough who attempt to fix that are threatned or destroyed in one way or another, just to keep going and benefit from implicting misery on people, who would love to just live their lives. Fix that.
When I was younger I found history lessons boring. I still do, but at least now I see somebenefit from learning it.
Keep people educated, informed. Stop believing people who constantly lie. Teach people about manipulation techniques so they can be aware when it is used upon them. Maybe that should even be taught in school. Raise empathy of others, somehow. Stop being selfish, greedy. Sometimes people are in terrible situations which was not their fault; and they tried to fix that several times, unsuccessfully.
I hope you, OP, aren't and will never have to be in such position like many of people here are.
