If you could choose one of the two which one would you pick. Sodium Nitrite or Sodium Azide? Why?
anonbpdgirl
Student
- Aug 31, 2019
- 111
Literally everyone will say SN. If we can believe the reported deaths, it causes way less pain than SA.
Agreed. But reliability of SA is much higher. Less chance of vomiting, no antidote, almost No one survives. SN much higher chance of vomiting, much higher dose and if you puke then reliability kinda goes out the window and you can end up in bad shape?
anonbpdgirl
Student
- Aug 31, 2019
- 111
You make some good points. I think people are often more preoccupied with pain rather than reliability. Especially when considering that there are so many measures to prevent SN failure such as anti-emetics and ensuring that you can be alone for a long time. Also, it's reported that the effects of SN are highly reversible if you're found fairly soon.
My concern is what if I vomit am not found cause I don't call paramedics and it doesn't end up being lethal but leaves me with a lot of brain damage?
Then don't use that method. Every post I see from you seems to be saying something against SN, warning of complications, mentioning pain, unreliability. If you don't like that method then don't use it, use something else.
CrushedHopes
Ex-narcissist that is looking to end himself soon
- Nov 3, 2019
- 471
SS has elaborated many, many, many times on how one could lower the chances of vomiting with SN. It's not 100% foolproof, but we're talking about suicide here. It's okay to be concerned, but you have to accept the potential risks if you are committed to CTB.
One antiemetic can cause in some an irreversible horrible movement disorder. Even after a few doses. You never know. Yes meto is a strong antiemetic nonetheless. But as Stan showed there are alternatives and there is no best antiemetic.
N is pretty much foolproof and so is SA if not found. But N is hard to get and SA can be quite painful maybe agonizing.
anonbpdgirl
Student
- Aug 31, 2019
- 111
Likely if you vomit, it won't have been in your system long enough to do any permenant and serious damage like that to your brain. I seriously wouldn't stress about that with it... it's like alcohol poisoning. When you vomit, it gets it out your system. You feel a little clearer, a little more sober. Your body will feel like that with the SN, oxygen will return to your blood, etc.
At least, that's my best guess.
Woah seriously? Had no idea anti-emetics had such dangerous side effects...
That's kinda reassuring. And if you don't call for help and that's not the case then you CTB anyway? There's kinda no in between?
trynacbt
Arcanist
- Sep 28, 2019
- 476
Pretty darn sure that's not true about meto after a few doses. Long-term use can cause permanent side effects. As in, you shouldn't be on meto for more than 12 weeks. 12 weeks, OP.
I experienced EPS from 5 doses of other meds that don't have black box warnings. Thank god it was temporary
search for the thread here "meto fucked me up" he had TD symptoms after like 2-3 doses. If your tongue is moving on it's on constantly and blocking your breathing that's tardive dyskinesia. On drugs.com many reviews say they had persistent akathesia after a few doses that lasted for months and did not stop
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trynacbt
Arcanist
- Sep 28, 2019
- 476
Every case is different that's what's scary. He said his symptoms kept returning and he had to get pumped with Benadryl for 12 hours on and off. He had to go to ER just cause of meto regiment......
It has a black box warning for A reason. I may do a test dose with 5mg but I'm scared as hell cause I have Domperidone which in some studies is just as effective
DyslexicForeigner
Student
- Dec 27, 2018
- 135
I'll choose Sodium Azide. No antidote therefore you can't be saved even if you're found minutes after ingestion. It makes you lose consciousness fast but might also be painful as hell. My question is do you need to fast for at least 8 hours (like SN)?
You don't lose consciousness super fast. Many people didn't have severe symptoms until 2-3 hours later. You get your lungs filled up with fluid, your heart starts dying, your brain starts being killed by the azide through necrosis. Eventually a deep coma but one of the first signs is vomiting and vision loss. It is harmful to others the second you put it in water. Your vomit can be explosive. It can explode randomly imo cause it's shock sensitive. There is no antidote but it seems brutal and it is not fast.
DyslexicForeigner
Student
- Dec 27, 2018
- 135
DyslexicForeigner
Student
- Dec 27, 2018
- 135
I think they took much more than lethal dose
Sources, please. PPH says it's a fast death but does not specify the time.
And as for the OP, nitrite seems the way more popular method, but azide certainly has some positive elements, namely speed (probably) and the nonexistence of an antidote. Antiemetics might not be necessary, as the lethal amount is so small. I suggest making up your own mind and research on the subject instead of asking others.
Read the medical literature case reports. It's all there.
PPH is uncertain of the speed of both azide and nitrite.
DyslexicForeigner
Student
- Dec 27, 2018
- 135
Azide. Best score on reliability.
I don't want to take any chance of surviving.
I don't want to take any chance of surviving.
BlackCatTalk
StrayCat
- Apr 28, 2019
- 198
I was trying to choose between those too, my conclusiion was SN.
1) SA it's too painfull, yeah Its more It is more effective but not faster (5 min up to 40 hrs) and if you document yourself well, here in ss there is a lot of documentation of that, I did my own research, if there is a chance to survive, the cases are less los than with sn but if there is and the sequelae are with damage to organs and brain, with sn collateral damage is very little.
2) It is a major risk for those who find you, and emergency services, even for the coroner, sa is a very unstable chemical.
1) SA it's too painfull, yeah Its more It is more effective but not faster (5 min up to 40 hrs) and if you document yourself well, here in ss there is a lot of documentation of that, I did my own research, if there is a chance to survive, the cases are less los than with sn but if there is and the sequelae are with damage to organs and brain, with sn collateral damage is very little.
2) It is a major risk for those who find you, and emergency services, even for the coroner, sa is a very unstable chemical.
