If you are taking benzos or propronolol with SN how much will you take?

[can'tdoitanymore]

Which benzo and how many mg and how many mg for P? How does my plan sound? Any changes you would suggest?

I have ODed on xanax and klonopin several times before (combined with alcohol and other meds). Mostly I passed out unconscious from it but a few times did not. I've taken between 40mg-180mg during an overdose but blacked out so never know how long till I was unconscious and will not be drinking alcohol with SN. I personally feel the benzo will just help relax me a bit but I think it's unrealistic to expect to fall asleep from it. Anxiety will stop that happening. So I can't work out how much to take. I'm thinking maybe 2mg half an hour before just enough to calm me down but not get too sleepy that I can't take the SN and another 8mg a few minutes before the SN (in case it takes longer than normal to go unconscious to reduce SN side effects).

I really don't know for propranolol. My normal dose for anxiety is 10mg. I have low blood pressure so I don't want to take too much and faint before I am able to take the SN. I'm thinking maybe 100-200mg a few mins before SN or should I take it earlier?

How does this sound?

 

[Defenestrator]

Just take as much as you'd normally need to chill you out. This varies from person to person as some people have built up insane tolerances.
Also, with benzos it takes a while for them to work and the SN will knock you out within 15 mins of drinking it anyway.

 

[can'tdoitanymore]

Just take as much as you'd normally need to chill you out. This varies from person to person as some people have built up insane tolerances.
Also, with benzos it takes a while for them to work and the SN will knock you out within 15 mins of drinking it anyway.

I was just confused if some people were taking a benzo expecting to fall asleep from it before the SN kicks in. I don't see how that is possible at least for me. It can make me sleepy but won't force me to sleep in a scary situation unless taken in excess to cause unconsciousness. In my opinion either you have to take a huge amount and risk vomiting or take just enough to calm you down.

And I don't know how much propranolol to take. Too much and you can faint and have hallucinations (before taking SN) and too little and it might not make any difference.

 

[Defenestrator]

I was just confused if some people were taking a benzo expecting to fall asleep from it before the SN kicks in. I don't see how that is possible at least for me. It can make me sleepy but won't force me to sleep in a scary situation unless taken in excess to cause unconsciousness. In my opinion either you have to take a huge amount and risk vomiting or take just enough to calm you down.

And I don't know how much propranolol to take. Too much and you can faint and have hallucinations (before taking SN) and too little and it might not make any difference.

Yeah, I think it's more for it's calming properties to help with the SI.

 

[hershberger]

Since I take 3 mg of Xanax every day (1 in the morning, 2 in the evening), I was thinking I would take 3 mg since I have developed somewhat of a tolerance. Well, I'm just back on Xanax after switching from Klonopin, but at this point I'm talking to myself, which must be awfully boring for the reader.

 

[SuiSqueeze92]

I would think alcohol would help the absorption rate though, as it does with most things. I believe 20% increase of absorbency happens in your stomach when ethanol is introduced and continues down your GI like normal afterward. That's why nighttime cough medicine has alcohol, relax your cough reflex a little and make the meds hit you harder so you sleep faster.

Since I take 3 mg of Xanax every day (1 in the morning, 2 in the evening), I was thinking I would take 3 mg since I have developed somewhat of a tolerance. Well, I'm just back on Xanax after switching from Klonopin, but at this point I'm talking to myself, which must be awfully boring for the reader.

In all honesty... plug the Xanax if you've built a tolerance. When I went down the rabbit hole I was filing down Opana's and mixing it with water in syringes to plug... my life was pretty bad at that point lol but damn the rush and high was great. No take backs though with that route.

I was just confused if some people were taking a benzo expecting to fall asleep from it before the SN kicks in. I don't see how that is possible at least for me. It can make me sleepy but won't force me to sleep in a scary situation unless taken in excess to cause unconsciousness. In my opinion either you have to take a huge amount and risk vomiting or take just enough to calm you down.

And I don't know how much propranolol to take. Too much and you can faint and have hallucinations (before taking SN) and too little and it might not make any difference.

Take about 160mg max at a time, 80mg to see how you feel. I take 80mg three times a day (TID). And sometimes accidentally take one when I wake up, get dressed and then take another, walk out the door and go "oh fuck" lol.


I see nobody else grew up on Erowid or Bluelight as a kid like I did lol. "Swim says this" lol

(Someone who isn't me)

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Since I take 3 mg of Xanax every day (1 in the morning, 2 in the evening), I was thinking I would take 3 mg since I have developed somewhat of a tolerance. Well, I'm just back on Xanax after switching from Klonopin, but at this point I'm talking to myself, which must be awfully boring for the reader.

Lol...not this reader. I like it. Oh sorry...I like what you said...lol. Confusion reigns supreme...blush.

 

[LostBoy33]

40-180mg?!?! thats a shit ton

 

[Quarky00]

I would think alcohol would help the absorption rate though, as it does with most things. I believe 20% increase of absorbency . Relax your cough reflex a little .

NO ... No .. and no .

SN is not 'cough syrup' but strong burning salt . Alcohol would irritate stomach , change pH , decrease SN absorption , slow gastric emptying , and increases chances of severe violent vomiting . Please use site search ("SN Alcohol"; quite simple). Please read guide

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-a-comprehensive-guide-including-method.25148/

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OP , @can'tdoitanymore , do what's best for you . I wouldn't take sedatives or blood pressure x10 or even x4 than used to or prescribed . Could be dangerous and failed ctb . "a few mins before or should I take it earlier" -- consult guide . Use your normal dosage , you may increase a little ( dunno +20% ) for added effect , but don't overdo it .

Same for timing , only you know when it starts to effect you . Don't make benzo or propranolol knock you out . There just to make things more comfortable . They don't make SN more fatal .

"thinking maybe 2mg half an hour before", see FAQ

	Benzos effects vary greatly: Potency, tolerance, onset (how quick), duration (how long) change. Some benzo affects within 10m, others take 1h, and this changes individually Test small dosage beforehand
Which benzo? Is benzo X good? How much to take? What if I have tolerance?	Can't answer that. There are dozens. Anything that affects you more than 4h. See above "Benzos effects vary greatly" Check personally Tolerance – take more than usual

 

[SuiSqueeze92]

NO ... No .. and no .

SN is not 'cough syrup' but strong burning salt . Alcohol would irritate stomach , change pH , decrease SN absorption , slow gastric emptying , and increases chances of severe violent vomiting . Please use site search ("SN Alcohol"; quite simple). Please read guide

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-a-comprehensive-guide-including-method.25148/

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OP , @can'tdoitanymore , do what's best for you . I wouldn't take sedatives or blood pressure x10 or even x4 than used to or prescribed . Could be dangerous and failed ctb . "a few mins before or should I take it earlier" -- consult guide . Use your normal dosage , you may increase a little ( dunno +20% ) for added effect , but don't overdo it .

Same for timing , only you know when it starts to effect you . Don't make benzo or propranolol knock you out . There just to make things more comfortable . They don't make SN more fatal .

"thinking maybe 2mg half an hour before", see FAQ

	Benzos effects vary greatly: Potency, tolerance, onset (how quick), duration (how long) change. Some benzo affects within 10m, others take 1h, and this changes individually Test small dosage beforehand
Which benzo? Is benzo X good? How much to take? What if I have tolerance?	Can't answer that. There are dozens. Anything that affects you more than 4h. See above "Benzos effects vary greatly" Check personally Tolerance – take more than usual

I had said the cough syrup thing about cough syrups in general... not about SN...

I had said the cough syrup thing about cough syrups in general... not about SN...

With the assumption that most things absorb better in ethanol, acts as a carrier across the blood brain membrane

 

[Quarky00]

I had said the cough syrup thing about cough syrups in general... not about SN...

Cool:) This was in context of SN and alcohol is a problem. Sorry if came off too strong

 

[SneekUponIt]

This is highly variable. I keep my benzo tolerance almost at baseline level, so for me 10-20 mg of diazepam or equivalent(0.5-1mg alprazolam or clonazepam etc.)...You don't want to use the benzos to make you too drowsy, just psychologically comfortable. For the beta blocker if I were to use SN I would only be taking a 10 mg pill, maybe one and a half, I'm quite light though. For some people too much gaba-a agonism could increase the risk of vomiting as certain benzos like clonazepam and alprazolam can increase serotonin and dopamine turnover at higher dosages.

 

[can'tdoitanymore]

40-180mg?!?! thats a shit ton

That was for overdose though. I take 0.5-1mg as a normal dose.

This is highly variable. I keep my benzo tolerance almost at baseline level, so for me 10-20 mg of diazepam or equivalent(0.5-1mg alprazolam or clonazepam etc.)...You don't want to use the benzos to make you too drowsy, just psychologically comfortable. For the beta blocker if I were to use SN I would only be taking a 10 mg pill, maybe one and a half, I'm quite light though. For some people too much gaba-a agonism could increase the risk of vomiting as certain benzos like clonazepam and alprazolam can increase serotonin and dopamine turnover at higher dosages.

Thanks. I think I'll just take 1-2mg then. Don't want to increase the chances of throwing up.
And probably max 30mg of proranolol. I think I was overestimating how fast the heart might beat and how powerful propranolol is. What I can't find anywhere in the guides is when to take the P if not crushing the full 2 grams and drinking with the SN which seems a terrible idea to me.

 

[mathieu]

I'm not sure if I'll get propranalol and I'm only doing SN if I can't get N but I would take a lot of Xanax with it. Maybe the whole bottle (50) because my tolerance is so high and I want to be knocked out.