Perception seems to be a biological invention to help survive better, but the perceptive world seems to be essentially illusory in nature since it is an indirect encounter with reality. for example what do we see? we don't see the object but the light that's reflected off it, infact we don't even see the light but what we actually see is a firing of neurons in our occipital cortex. so the visual perception is indirect and not true, same with other perceptions. Colour exists only in our heads and is not something that exists in reality.
Jon86
Specialist
- Apr 9, 2018
- 369
Huh? I see your post, you used your brain to think it up and your meat machine to write it. I am in pain, I feel pain.
The 'world' that we perceive is a serotonin-modulated electro-chemical model inside the head, synthesized into a unified gestalt by different areas of the brain working together. The end product is reached by a series of transformations and modifications of initial light data which bounce off 'objects' (packets of energy) and onto the retina of the eyes, or sound waves bouncing off objects and onto the eardrums.
We can never actually access the world independent of any brain which perceives it.
In fact, any instrument which is used to access reality necessarily filters and distorts the data which reach its receptor modalities.
There can be no such thing as an objective or neutral perspective on the universe.
Any such theoretical perspective can only be from the point of view of the totality of reality itself, i.e. where there is no distinction between subject and object.
Even the world which we think we perceive constitutes only 0.0035% of the electromagnetic spectrum in the form of visible light.
So, we are at several removes from the pure data of reality, and even the modified data which we do experience in the form of a world model inside the head leaves 99.9965% of electromagnetic energy unaccessed by us.
We are literally living in a dream(nightmare)world.
We can never actually access the world independent of any brain which perceives it.
In fact, any instrument which is used to access reality necessarily filters and distorts the data which reach its receptor modalities.
There can be no such thing as an objective or neutral perspective on the universe.
Any such theoretical perspective can only be from the point of view of the totality of reality itself, i.e. where there is no distinction between subject and object.
Even the world which we think we perceive constitutes only 0.0035% of the electromagnetic spectrum in the form of visible light.
So, we are at several removes from the pure data of reality, and even the modified data which we do experience in the form of a world model inside the head leaves 99.9965% of electromagnetic energy unaccessed by us.
We are literally living in a dream(nightmare)world.
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StuFin
Arcanist
- Oct 21, 2020
- 450
"Everything is an illusion. Especially lunchtime."
That doesn't make the sandwiches less tasty though.
That doesn't make the sandwiches less tasty though.
Jon86
Specialist
- Apr 9, 2018
- 369
How do I do that doc? I got rheumatoid arthritis and years of depression with a bunch of ptsd.
Smoke some meth to balance out the crack.
Can't say about the physical pain due to the illness, but emotional pain is your responsibility.
Jon86
Specialist
- Apr 9, 2018
- 369
Basic self help 101.
That advice doesn't work well when you are constantly deteriorating in the prime of your life. We are animals, sick animals die in nature, we are artificially kept alive today. I've lived a life of desperation, deterioration, loss and rejection because of physical disease(s). I can no longer do the hobbies I once loved, sports, am no longer adequate for physical intimacy, all my desires for life have dampened. At this point, i've been shaped by years of isolation. I am stoic or should I say apathetic to life in general, the entire world could end today and it wouldn't make a difference to me, nor increase my heartbeat. Despite having a six pack most of my life, doing every medication and dietary intervention you could think of, I still deteriorate. I have very little control over my life and little desire for anything that is still attainable.
Should I see value in my life or have desire to live despite my circumstances? Many would say yes, 10 different psychiatric medications, shrooms, lsd, weed, etc. and numerous counselors were never able to change my view of things, my depressed demeanor. Is it wrong for me to be depressed or see the rationality in suicide?
Whatever, no need to respond, it doesn't matter, it's just the same shit repeated ad nauseum.
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Bauhaus
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- Jan 18, 2020
- 388
Well yes, our perceptions are real otherwise 4 billion years of evolution which strongly depend on the environmental condions (perception !) wouldn't exist.
Sorry to say, but I hate these kind of posts, they smell of nihilism (nothing we see is ever real).
I guess you love Plato ?
Sorry to say, but I hate these kind of posts, they smell of nihilism (nothing we see is ever real).
I guess you love Plato ?
Do you mean that our perceptions correspond to/resemble in some way reality independent of those perceptions?
How can we ever know this given that we cannot step outside of our perceptions?
Perhaps our subjective perceptions and 'reality' in the form of energy, particles, nuclear forces etc, are intimately linked in a kind of synergistic dynamic. Certain ways of analyzing the data of quantum mechanics point to that.
I wouldn't say that the idea that perceptions are subjective and dependent on and only take place in a mind is necessarily nihilistic though.
There is a long history in philosophy (not just Plato) in both rationalist and empiricist traditions which considers perception as a subjective surface phenomenon predicated on consciousness/mind and not constituting bedrock reality (what Kant would call the 'thing in itself').
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I wish I could effectively tell my fucked up brain to make better illusions. Reality really is how we perceive it, but we can't control how we perceive it most of the time.
Its true that brain makes illusions. But the way it makes illusions is different. Perception is just a way to get information, this information is incomplete (ignoring the small things) or inaccurate.
Its important to distinguish between human constructs and independent constructs. When someone sees a blue chair, "blue" is a type of information regardless of perception. If someone takes a photo of it, it would be blue and it doesn't matter if someone is looking at the photo or not.
The illusions are actually worse than perception. Perception regardless of its faults is just a way to get information. How people interpret this information is the delusional part.
The brain is contradictory and its capable of creating the illusion and destroying it, its capable of finding the truth or concealing it.
So what are some examples of illusions?
There are many illusions and the way humans live is actually an illusion. The way they deal and think about each other. The superficial thinking. Ignoring how life is bs although the evidence is clear. Cognitive biases. Herd mentality.
This life and biology is so wrong. A delusional and contradictory brain with a body that includes a mechanism of cruel pain. All of that only to trap people into this bs life.
Its important to distinguish between human constructs and independent constructs. When someone sees a blue chair, "blue" is a type of information regardless of perception. If someone takes a photo of it, it would be blue and it doesn't matter if someone is looking at the photo or not.
The illusions are actually worse than perception. Perception regardless of its faults is just a way to get information. How people interpret this information is the delusional part.
The brain is contradictory and its capable of creating the illusion and destroying it, its capable of finding the truth or concealing it.
So what are some examples of illusions?
There are many illusions and the way humans live is actually an illusion. The way they deal and think about each other. The superficial thinking. Ignoring how life is bs although the evidence is clear. Cognitive biases. Herd mentality.
This life and biology is so wrong. A delusional and contradictory brain with a body that includes a mechanism of cruel pain. All of that only to trap people into this bs life.
