If people say that suicide is the “easy way out”, are they acknowledging the fact that life is a struggle?

[sserafim]

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And yet they seem to enjoy their struggle.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

... and so what if some decides to take the 'easy' way? none of their business.

 

[sserafim]

... and so what if some decides to take the 'easy' way? none of their business.

Literally. Yet they shit on them and call them a "coward". It's messed up

 

[Dayrain]

Yea, pro-life logic.

 

[4am]

also what's the point in taking the hard way? if you want an apple, you just go to grocery store and buy it, instead of planting your own tree and waiting for years. the result is the same after all

 

[rozeske]

Yes, they say life is a struggle and everyone else is fighting a much harder battle than you. In their eyes anyone who commits suicide is weak and taking the easy way out. Too bad no one notices the fight you fought before your decision.

 

[sserafim]

Yes, they say life is a struggle and everyone else is fighting a much harder battle than you. In their eyes anyone who commits suicide is weak and taking the easy way out. Too bad no one notices the fight you fought before your decision.

The strange thing is that most people seem to love life, they enjoy their struggle. Normal people are happy and never even think about committing suicide

also what's the point in taking the hard way? if you want an apple, you just go to grocery store and buy it, instead of planting your own tree and waiting for years. the result is the same after all

Literally. I'd rather take the easy way. The destination is the same anyways

 

[Relic]

People say. First of all, it's none of their business, and what is the "hard way" supposed to look like? Dying of exhaustion in a forced labor camp? Most of the old-age "natural" deaths are agony. It's easy to stand by the beds of dying relatives and think that letting go is hard.

 

[R_N]

Life and death just are. Sometimes things take more effort and sometimes they don't. Everyone picks both even in life so I don't see why death should be different.

But that phrasing is always used to manipulate someone and deter them from suicide. I realised long time ago how we use words as tools to manipulate even when we are not aware. Labels especially. Be this don't be that etc.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I guess they are but they won't ever admit it as they are conditioned to think that life is so beautiful to where it isn't a struggle. Something that pro lifers do a lot is cognitive dissonance and they are doing it here too

 

[DreamEnd]

Suicide is technically the easy way out theoretically because it is the most effective, quick and less resource consuming solution to one's problems. That however doesn't acknowledge the fact that actually going through suicide and committing it fully is one of the most brave and desperate acts one can do.

 

[sserafim]

Suicide is technically the easy way out theoretically because it is the most effective, quick and less resource consuming solution to one's problems. That however doesn't acknowledge the fact that actually going through suicide and committing it fully is one of the most brave and desperate acts one can do.

Most normal people seem to love and enjoy their life though. They're happy. They willingly continue their struggle and endure their problems with a smile on their face, yet they shame others for ending it early or wanting out. I don't understand this cognitive dissonance.

 

[Malaria]

Some people do like the struggle that life gives them. The issue comes when they refuse to understand that not everyone likes the struggle, and not everyone has the same kind of struggles. It's incredibly subjective after all, for some people struggling is much worse and a lot more intense than for others. Some people may have the "same" kind of struggles, but experience them in a completely different way.

 

[sserafim]

Some people do like the struggle that life gives them. The issue comes when they refuse to understand that not everyone likes the struggle, and not everyone has the same kind of struggles. It's incredibly subjective after all, for some people struggling is much worse and a lot more intense than for others. Some people may have the "same" kind of struggles, but experience them in a completely different way.

Why do you think they like the struggle that life gives them? Stockholm Syndrome from life?

 

[Malaria]

Why do you think they like the struggle that life gives them? Stockholm Syndrome from life?

Good question. I can't speak for everyone, but I've heard some people say that it feels rewarding to them when they overcome life's struggles. Kinda like beating a video game or winning a sport, I guess.

 

[Fktw0rld]

People love giving their input on situations that don't apply to them. And they don't do it by way of reasoning and logic. Or even take the time to research before giving their 2 cents. They just jump on the side with the bigger following for acceptance by others. They lack identity, their voice isn't heard and they're part of nothing bigger than themselves, they never have been. They're quick to jump on any artificial team they can, as temporary as it may be. Only the ones with a sense of dignity and self worth are willing to speak up and go against the masses of blind leading the blind. Like the old saying goes, "the loudest boo's come from the cheapest seats."

 

[sserafim]

People love giving their input on situations that don't apply to them. And they don't do it by way of reasoning and logic. Or even take the time to research before giving their 2 cents. They just jump on the side with the bigger following for acceptance by others. They lack identity, their voice isn't heard and they're part of nothing bigger than themselves, they never have been. They're quick to jump on any artificial team they can, as temporary as it may be. Only the ones with a sense of dignity and self worth are willing to speak up and go against the masses of blind leading the blind. Like the old saying goes, "the loudest boo's come from the cheapest seats."

Why do you think they do that? Look for acceptance from others?

 

[strangelife]

Yes I did really enjoyed the struggle of life, it is interesting process, struggling for money, in sports, in investing.

 

[sserafim]

Yes I did really enjoyed the struggle of life, it is interesting process, struggling for money, in sports, in investing.

The struggle seems so meaningless to me though. Do you think it's worth it in the end?

 

[strangelife]

The struggle seems so meaningless to me though. Do you think it's worth it in the end?

Of course, yes, if you are healthy physically and mentally, then as a result you get satisfaction from the successes you have achieved and get the opportunity to do your favorite things. This is all very important for personal growth

 

[Homo erectus]

Are humans better served by Uber Eats robots or by fellow humans. I think those robots are quite inefficient as they are. Humans are a doing better job consuming less energy and producing less waste. But I think the efficiency of human is not due to consciousness, the source suffering. Why can't scientists make biological robots without consciousness? Perhaps they have. That's why many "people" don't mind living.

 

[TheSpookyNameGuy]

I don't understand "struggle satisfaction"

When i do a huge workout or finish a big task/job it's just done, i don't feel anything afterwards, no pride or joy.

Just nothing, i don't understand normies, that species is alien to me.

 

[strangelife]

I don't understand "struggle satisfaction"

When i do a huge workout or finish a big task/job it's just done, i don't feel anything afterwards, no pride or joy.

Just nothing, i don't understand normies, that species is alien to me.

It's like a game, you struggle and you get some bonus: money, power, satisfaction. But suicide is not an easy way out, you need courage, it can be easy when spontaneously under emotion. But it's not easy when deliberately.

 

[Z-A]

Those people have stockholm syndrome without even knowing it.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

They say it's the easy way out because in a sense it's harder to face and deal with your problems than to die. But judgment based on that implies that there is some inherent value to persevering. You can't make people place more of a premium on living than they are willing to do so themselves.

Also a lot of people feel a sense that we are all in this mess together and that people who suicide betray that kind of social covenant.

 

[bestroper]

i hate normies

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Society likes to promote the idea that life is a struggle that's worth it. I don't think it's that most people enjoy said struggle since, while some do, most don't. Rather, I think people try to forced themselves to endure the struggle. It's either that or suicide, and with suicide being so stigmatized and hard to succeed at it ends up not being an option that most people consider. Along with that, not everyone wants to die and some people also have others who rely on them so death isn't an option.

I personally don't understand why if we as a society can acknowledge that life is a struggle then why don't we put more effort into making life better for others. People seem to prefer advocating for shit that screws us all over and makes life even harder to endure for the vast majority of the population in comparison to creating real change that actually benefits us.

Along with that, with life being such a struggle to get through, people should have the right to opt out of it. I didn't consent to endure this struggles and I shouldn't have to endure if I don't want to. Why is it that if I want an "easy way out" of all of this I have to do a bunch of risky shit in the hopes that it kills me and doesn't just leave me severely disabled?

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

That is exactly what they are saying. That stress and suffering is much better than simply not exisisting and having no worries at all. They are also implying that there is no such thing as survival instinct. Thats suicide is pretty much just some simple thing anyone can do, at anytime, without a second thought.

 

[Fktw0rld]

Why do you think they do that? Look for acceptance from others?

No idea tbh. Jealousy, low self esteem, loneliness. Gives a sense of empowerment when in reality they live their lives powerless and unseen. It's very strange. I never understood it. Take social media for example, someone is charged with a crime. 10,000 people commenting, "hang them, kill, them, let them rot in prison!" knowing nothing about the situation. They just want to be on the team they think is winning; to feel included. Then there's always that 1 or 2, "how do we know they did what they've been accused of? Innocent till proven guilty." That's the difference between pro lifers and pro choice. Pro lifers are like those thousands of little fish that band together and swim around underneath the sharks. Each and everyone of those sharks is identifiable by their battle scars and unique characteristics. But those little fish, not one any different from the rest. They're all just looking for a safe place to blend in, live off scraps and not get eaten.

 

[theboy]

yes