Discussion i think that the main reason that society and governments restrict suicide so much is because they want people to work and pay taxes

[emptymiku]

title says it all, am i right on this?

 

[sserafim]

title says it all, am i right on this?

Yeah, I agree. They want people alive as labor and to be exploited, and they want to make money off of us. They basically want to profit off of us. After all, dead men pay no taxes…

 

[Darkover]

everyone is slave to their governments this isn't freedom how can you say your free if you don''t have the right to leave at any time of your choosing, this isn't what freedom looks like it what enslavement looks like

 

[sserafim]

everyone is slave to their governments this isn't freedom how can you say your free if you don''t have the right to leave at any time of your choosing, this isn't what freedom looks like it what enslavement looks like

Literally. Society is also one big pyramid scheme, new people buying in to pay out the old. There needs to be fresh labor and young people entering the workforce every year to pay out the old people who've finally reached the stage of retirement.

Work is modern-day slavery. I hate the fact that governments and societies enslave us in this fashion and they don't even let us leave or escape. They make ctb so difficult and inaccessible. This world is truly dystopian. I hate the fact that after college, we're expected to work for 50 years of our lives. I hate the fact that it costs money just to exist on this hellish planet. Why should existence have to cost money? Why does everything in this stupid world run on money? And why is everything about money and why does everything depend on money? I hate it so much.

 

[Shiva_Story]

it could spread as a virus if it wasn't restricted and stigmatized, no vaccines for it available.

 

[Dying Knight]

I doubt that suicides have a considerable impact on economy. I think, their attitude mostly comes from the "everyone can be like me and should share my values" syndrome. Some people think that if they are happy, then such a happiness or at least a satisfaction with life must be possible for everyone else and suicidal people can be easily "fixed" like broken coffee machines. Lucky people don't accept anything that contradicts their beliefs on this matter.

 

[LonelyFerret]

The world revolves around the all mighty dollar..

 

[Death is my goal]

it's because most people gonna kill themselves

 

[sserafim]

The world revolves around the all mighty dollar..

I hate it so much

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, and this can explain why there is so much brainwashing into trying to make people believe that suicide is "irrational" despite the fact that it could never be as one cannot suffer from not existing. In fact wanting to die in order to prevent all future meaningless and unnecessary suffering is all that feels rational to me, existence just creates problems there was never a need for.

 

[tiredone]

I agree. As well even if you do not work, by existing you give work to others. You have to eat, shit and sleep. All that requires work to make it possible, so tje system keeps going. Death by ctb is consider shameful - to get everyone on board to prevent it. Why? Because deaths like that cause damage to well working community of slaves, damaging efficiency and productivity, possibly causing further deaths by ctb. Gov's cant have that.

 

[SVEN]

Well, if the thesis is correct, I wish they would allow the elderly or the long term unemployed access to N, or another gentler way of ctb than hanging or stepping off a building.
After all, if the government isn't making money off us, why not let those who wish to depart in peace.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yes, I agree. Plus- parents vote. A lot of suicide prevention and outrage seems to be aimed at youngsters. Parents want governments to make it as hard as possible for their children to kill themselves. When they do- they look to blame authorities and legislation and basically anything other than what likely caused their child to feel that way in the first place.

 

[sserafim]

Well, if the thesis is correct, I wish they would allow the elderly or the long term unemployed access to N, or another gentler way of ctb than hanging or stepping off a building.
After all, if the government isn't making money off us, why not let those who wish to depart in peace.

They want us alive as consumers though. They want us buying things…existence costs money, so they can still profit off of our existence. Look at all the bills we have to pay. We have to pay for food, shelter, and water on this sick planet. Everything costs money and one more person alive is one more consumer they can make money off of. One more person alive is one more slave to the system, one more person to charge for the costs of existence.

People make massive amounts of money off of the elderly, look at all the hospitals and nursing homes. They make mad bank. It's more profitable in keeping you alive than for you to be allowed to die. At the end of the day, everything is a business and money and profit > people's quality of life. If society really cared about people's wellbeing, they wouldn't force them to stay alive

 

[Blue Elephant]

i think that the main reason that society and governments restrict suicide so much is because they want people to work and pay taxes

@emptymiku Gee, You think? : )

dead men pay no taxes…

Too right!

Society is also one big pyramid scheme, new people buying in to pay out the old. There needs to be fresh labor and young people entering the workforce every year to pay out the old people who've finally reached the stage of retirement.

This! @ifeelthelight you know, in Prague there are these statues of toddlers with barcodes stamped on their faces. Do you have a barcode @ifeelthelight ? I have a barcode in my ID card. Why do humans have barcodes @ifeelthelight ? : )

I doubt that suicides have a considerable impact on economy.

Because deaths like that cause damage to well working community of slaves, damaging efficiency and productivity, possibly causing further deaths by ctb. Gov's cant have that.

@Dying Knight wrong! Exactly what @tiredone said. Also why do you think we have police, and teachers etc? It's to keep everything not necessarily stable but in a state that works for them. Have you ever see cattle or sheep herds just running free on the fields? : )

They want us alive as consumers though. They want us buying things…existence costs money so they can still profit off of our existence. Look at all the bills we have to pay. We have to pay for food, shelter, and water on this sick planet. Everything costs money and one more person alive is one more consumer they can make money off of. One more person alive is one more slave to the system

People make massive amounts of money off of the elderly, look at all the hospitals and nursing homes. They make mad bank. It's more profitable in keeping you alive than for you to be allowed to die. At the end of the day, everything is a business and money and profit > people's quality of life. If society really cared about people's wellbeing, they wouldn't force us to stay alive

And did you notice that prices are not controlled at all? : )

 

[sserafim]

@emptymiku Gee, You think? : )


Too right!


This! @ifeelthelight you know, in Prague there are these statues of toddlers with barcodes stamped on their faces. Do you have a barcode @ifeelthelight ? I have a barcode in my ID card. Why do humans have barcodes @ifeelthelight ? : )




@Dying Knight wrong! Exactly what @tiredone said. Also why do you think we have police, and teachers etc? It's to keep everything not necessarily stable but in a state that works for them. Have you ever see cattle or sheep herds just running free on the fields? : )


And did you notice that prices are not controlled at all? : )

All I know is that prices are increasing every year…it's inflation. Everything is getting more expensive. The cost of everything is rising but salaries aren't increasing to match. It's getting more and more expensive to live each year.

 

[Blue Elephant]

All I know is that prices are increasing every year…it's inflation. Everything is getting more expensive. The cost of everything is rising but salaries aren't increasing to match. It's getting more and more expensive to live each year.

Yes but there is no reason for prices to increase. Reasons are supperficial, lies, fabricated. The work that I do, I ask the same price every year. Why can I do that and poor corporations can't!? One reason is greed, another reason is that it keeps the little people constantly under the boot, in other words dependent and easy to control.

 

[dragonofenvy]

They know nobody wants to work those shitty jobs so they lie and say that if you just keep trying you'll move up. It's true for the minority. Do you really think that the billions of people who work shit factory jobs can move up? They're the majority. There aren't enough places for them to move up to. They don't have the opportunity. I make a bit above the median income where I live in the US and that's barely enough, and what's horrifying is more than half the country makes below my income. Millions of people in the richest country struggle feeling a modicum of financial security, and because they don't have money they can't go to college to find an opportunity. If you want to escape you're shamed, told you have a chance where none exists, told that the next 50 years will be worth it, told you're broken and can be fixed.

I know I'm broken. The broken world broke me. Neither can be fixed.

 

[Mäximum]

Why else would they want to keep us alive? Because they love us all so much and care about us? No, of course they don't. It's all about money. Work your ass off until you're 60 and in the meantime pay your funny little taxes, or you become homeless. And even that becomes nearly impossible because of the rising real estate prices.

 

[sserafim]

Why else would they want to keep us alive? Because they love us all so much and care about us? No, of course they don't. It's all about money. Work your ass off until you're 60 and in the meantime pay your funny little taxes, or you become homeless. And even that becomes nearly impossible because of the rising real estate prices.

Literally! I hate the fact that everything in this sick world is about money. It's honestly absurd. I hate society and capitalism!

Yes but there is no reason for prices to increase. Reasons are supperficial, lies, fabricated. The work that I do, I ask the same price every year. Why can I do that and poor corporations can't!? One reason is greed, another reason is that it keeps the little people constantly under the boot, in other words dependent and easy to control.

Yeah true, there isn't any reason for prices to increase. All of it is just arbitrary. I think that they're just arbitrarily assigning a value and cost to things. And I agree, prices aren't controlled or regulated. The cost of things differs between different places. I think everything getting more expensive also has to do with capitalism and infinite growth…

This! @ifeelthelight you know, in Prague there are these statues of toddlers with barcodes stamped on their faces. Do you have a barcode @ifeelthelight ? I have a barcode in my ID card. Why do humans have barcodes @ifeelthelight ? : )

Because we're all slaves to the system…

 

[Chr0nicAnhedonic]

This is absolutely the case. Societies and economies are built on slave labor ever since the advent of feudalism, where we decided that we everything should be given to lords and kings instead of having it being given back to the community. This carries all the way into modern day capitalism, where everything revolves around markets and the whims of the ultra-wealthy.

Of course, you can't give the people beneath the wealthy what they need, because they would no longer be desperate enough to accept the conditions they're in. The systems we have today are designed to grind you down enough that you're desperate, but have juuuuust enough hope that you can escape it. If you just work hard and bootstrap yourself, you too can be successful! Just make sure you don't think about the system you're in too deeply, otherwise you may want to change it, and changing it would be catastrophic. Suicidal people do not make for very good slaves, it turns out.

The rates of mental health decline and suicide have only gone up because of how dire everything is. Fortunately, capital found a way to individualize these issues via the billion-dollar mental health and psychiatric industry. You're not undergoing distress because of how much you have to work for so little, your brain chemicals are just mismatched and causing you to be depressed. Just take these pills, do some yoga, and for the love of god stop thinking about it. If you don't, we'll have to put you in a psych ward until you start thinking correctly. You'll be footing the bill for this, of course.

I don't blame anyone who wants out from such a cruel, careless world.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

title says it all, am i right on this?

You are damn right about this. Without wageslaves these people are nothing.

 

[sensenmann]

You are dead-right.

 

[DEATH IS FREEDOM]

In that case, people should have eternal life. How old are you? Do not you know that there are people who lie tortured to death for several years? How much money does it cost the taxpayers ìn these countries when a patient lies tortured to death for five years in heathcare?

 

[Kasumi]

I don't agree with this. Perhaps if I was American this would make a lot more sense but in places like Europe or other countries where health and social insurances aren't optional but mandatory, they don't gain anything by keeping us alive.

If I think about how much I or other people like us cost the state / insurance providers I honestly wonder why they're not pushing harder for suicide legalisation.

Also what @Dying Knight said, compared to the whole, there aren't a lot of people taking their lives as that it would have an impact of the economy.
Especially since those people who take their lives are mostly not big contributors to the economy in the first place.

I think the real reason comes down largely to religious beliefs, as well as the trend in our society to only look at positive things and pretend that negatives don't exist.
In reality I don't think "the state", or in other words the people who make up the government, do personally care much what happens to some random suicidal people,
but they feel forced to follow that trend since openly stating that you don't actually care / mind if some people take their lives is frowned upon.
While they also don't really care much about supporting suicide legalisation on the other hand, in short, they don't really care either way since it doesn't affect them or even a large part of their countries population.
So it makes perfect sense for them to keep doing what keeps them personally out of trouble the most.

 

[nood11]

Literally. Society is also one big pyramid scheme, new people buying in to pay out the old. There needs to be fresh labor and young people entering the workforce every year to pay out the old people who've finally reached the stage of retirement.

Work is modern-day slavery. I hate the fact that governments and societies enslave us in this fashion and they don't even let us leave or escape. They make ctb so difficult and inaccessible. This world is truly dystopian. I hate the fact that after college, we're expected to work for 50 years of our lives. I hate the fact that it costs money just to exist on this hellish planet. Why should existence have to cost money? Why does everything in this stupid world run on money? And why is everything about money and why does everything depend on money? I hate it so much.

You're absolutely right. In our capitalist system we need money for everything. We have to have money just to exist in an existence we never asked for. And no one is allowed to kill themselves to escape. This world makes no sense to me.

 

[Blue Elephant]

You're absolutely right. In our capitalist system we need money for everything. We have to have money just to exist in an existence we never asked for. And no one is allowed to kill themselves to escape. This world makes no sense to me.

You've just made sense of it! : )

 

[Praestat_Mori]

The number of suicidal people and the number of people who would actively commit suicide in the end, even if N was available is such a small minority compared to the whole population of avg. countries and the world population. That wouldn't have any measurable effect imo.

The number of people reaching here are already broken, this is only the top of the iceberg and how many are still really "productive" for the system, paying taxes and that stuff? Ig not a lot.

 

[letsmakeitagoodworl]

Nah it works better for our govt if suicidal non functioning well people are dead, they then need less mental health services, it means less stays in mh units for "hopeless cases", it means less benefits to pay, it means less police time, it means less housing.