I reverted to Catholicism

[OnMyLast Legs]

Perhaps I should avoid this place entirely. But since I encouraged people to ctb it seems like I should make restitution by posting on the recovery board.

Long story short, I think our main problem is sin. That's not to deny that mental illness exists. But I think we medicalize a lot of bad choices (and their effects) to avoid taking responsibility.

The confessional did a heck of a lot more to straighten me out than therapy ever did.

 

[Mr. Silver]

I should give a chance to confession, but being honest about some things that I always try to hide is kinda hard. In the end, good luck bro, happy to hear that you are accepting Christ.

 

[SadFoxDreamer83]

Perhaps I should avoid this place entirely. But since I encouraged people to ctb it seems like I should make restitution by posting on the recovery board.

Long story short, I think our main problem is sin. That's not to deny that mental illness exists. But I think we medicalize a lot of bad choices (and their effects) to avoid taking responsibility.

The confessional did a heck of a lot more to straighten me out than therapy ever did.

I believe that good and evil exist, as energies that fight against each other. Although I am not a friend of religions, I do feel the goodness and strength that Christianity can transmit. Since I bought a Christian cross, I notice that it serves as an amulet and in a certain way gives me strength.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I should give a chance to confession, but being honest about some things that I always try to hide is kinda hard. In the end, good luck bro, happy to hear that you are accepting Christ.

Oh, I had some embarrassing stuff. But the priest's heard it all before. Plus, he's acting in persona christi--you're talking to God.

Remember that Satan is the accuser. And God already knows what you did. Trust me, after you receive absolution you'll be glad you made a confession.

If you're new to all this Catholic stuff do RCIA.

and thanks

 

[dragonofenvy]

Long story short, I think our main problem is sin. That's not to deny that mental illness exists. But I think we medicalize a lot of bad choices (and their effects) to avoid taking responsibility.

I don't think this even needs to be something that's said in a religious context. This is something common sense that a lot of people need to know, but those who need to know it (particularly those who are depressed) despise religion. Why worship God(s) when these benevolent deities made your life, and the lives of billions of other people living in the world right now so shitty?

People don't want to be told that their actions are what caused their problems, and I think they're correct. Sometimes in the moment you ARE doing the right thing. Sometimes you don't know what the future consequences will be. What matters most, is how to overcome your mistakes, which unfortunately, religion doesn't have an answer for save absolution and forgiveness that I am aware of. I don't think a pastor forgiving me for doing things that fucked up my life will make my life better, personally. That being said, I don't think this will apply to people who are objectively mistreated by society at large.

However, there's something to be said about helping others. Devoting yourself to others, for many, fills the gap they have in their life. All religions have this concept, and it seems to work well for those who do it.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

@dragonofenvy I should be clear that I'm not recommending the Catholic religion as therapy if it isn't true. I'm describing my path to thinking it is true. It's my weakness that I have to describe it subjectively in my current state of knowledge; I should be able to mount better apologetics. But I long felt like I was fooling myself as an atheist and that I'd have to do this eventually.

 

[particularrodent]

Long story short, I think our main problem is sin. That's not to deny that mental illness exists. But I think we medicalize a lot of bad choices (and their effects) to avoid taking responsibility.

The confessional did a heck of a lot more to straighten me out than therapy ever did.

i feel like this is both right and wrong. while it is true for some things, it is not true for others, and it all depends on context and contributing factors (hence the little blurb about sin and then levels of culpability in the catechism)

for me personally, a lifetime of trying hard to stick to this outlook on things, that it truly is all my fault (and hey, it probably is), actively made me worse and eventually i ended up... well. on this website. i used to think shame and self blame was the way to betterment, and in some things i still do... but having reached this dark abyss, i find that many times it just digs you deeper. but that's just what i've found. for most catholics, it somehow helps them, but i can't understand it at all

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

@particularrodent the beauty of admitting it's all your fault is that you get forgiven and walk away with a clean conscience. I'm certainly not guilt-ridden now. I was then and I was an atheist. Conscience does that on its own. I'm talking about curing the disease, not infecting you with it.

 

[particularrodent]

the beauty of admitting it's all your fault is that you get forgiven and walk away with a clean conscience. I'm certainly not guilt-ridden now. I was then and I was an atheist. Conscience does that on its own. I'm talking about curing the disease, not infecting you with it.

i sort of disagree with the first part because all that's done for me is make me feel like a helpless fuckhead (which may be true, but doesn't help me improve) but otherwise i don't understand what the rest of this message means (specifically the last part), sry

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

i sort of disagree with the first part because all that's done for me is make me feel like a helpless fuckhead (which may be true, but doesn't help me improve) but otherwise i don't understand what the rest of this message means (specifically the last part), sry

Christianity is all about forgiveness. I'm saying we feel guilty on our own. That's something Christianity takes away, not something it gives you.

I should clarify that I used the phrase "it's all your fault" a little hyperbolically. At least some of "it" can indeed be mental illness, like I said in OP.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I coach high school wrestling and today the state tournament started. I'm really happy to be alive and grateful to my Creator.

 

[LunarEc]

It's good that you found something to hold onto, but for many religion doesn't help. Especially when it's a leading factor to suicide.

 

[endofeverything]

religion is a big reason, possibly even THE reason, why i am the way i am - mentally broken. it's always hard to say in retrospect, but i think it's very likely that if my parents hadn't been religious, i would be living a normal life right now. religion will never be the solution for people like me, only a source of more hurt.

like the poster above me, i don't mean to take away from what helps you, and i'm glad that it's working out for you, but please don't generalize your solution as something that works for everyone. the idea that any of us are in an awful state due to not taking responsibility for our sin is outright disgusting to me. just another way to blame those who suffer.

 

[Jack_Nimble]

The big problem is religions like bible based ones telling us were sinning for simply being human. This causes depression and fear.

Had any human behaved like the supposed god in the bible we'd consem him to prison for abuse.

This is surely toeing the line of forum rules here. Prostelyzing. Telling people they'll be happy once they go into a catholic confession. It's not up to you to tell people what their feelings will be from participating in your false religion. I feel a million times better now that I am freed from the destructive lies of the Bible that held me back. Told me I was evil for simply being born a human. Deserved eternal punishment for being born a human. What a joke. Oh it's cause of my choice to sin? Yet the bible also says all humans will inevitably sin no matter what. So which is it now? Do we have a choice or not? Therein lies the problem. Insisting all humans are terrible and must beg for forgiveness to escape eternal torture.

The bible is littered with inconsistencies and scientific falsehoods. It's quite impossible such a document was inspired by a perfect creator god.

The god who doesn't exist is so much about forgiveness that he orders an entire nation of women children and babies to be killed cause their parents have the wrong religion. 1st Samuel 15:3. Or the law in Leviticus telling women their menstrual cycle is spiritually dirty and they aren't allowed in temple to physical contact with their family. Have you read Leviticus?

Do you know your bible? Have you taken the time to read and listen to what the many pastors turned atheists have to say about their regrets pushing false religion?

People only believe out of fear and repititon. Our brains are programmed by repetition. It's the most basic form of brainwashing. And it's why repetition is used in schooling.

There's even charities set up to help those whose income relies on being religious find new lives and not become homeless by leaving the false Catholic religion

Such a powerful god can't even stop his priests from touching kids swimsuit areas.

Let us talk about what the Bible actually says instead of idealizing only the parts of it we like.

 

[Jorvak]

Good for you, religion is a convenient coping mechanism for you. But please stop the preachiness that your religion is "useful" for everyone else. It simply is not, and in fact it perpetuates a tremendous amount of abuse towards anyone or any group of people deemed "sinful" or 'different' from the 'accepted standards of the church' and chauvinistic mentalities towards marginalized and oppressed people, as well as self-loathing, that end up driving huge numbers of people to suicidal depression.

And besides something being "useful" and non-oppressive, and non-chauvinistic, it has to be True based on a mountain of supporting evidence. You seem to think that if you found religion to be a convenient coping mechanism, that preaching it to depressed people will just make everyone believe it. Do you not even realize how absurd this is? We don't live in an era where you can force millions of people to convert anymore. You can't just appeal to peoples vulnerabilities and force them to convert.

Empiricism is a fundamental view that many people hold that shapes how a person perceives reality and develop conclusions about it. Empiricism means that beings with perception about reality can only learn about it based on data through the senses interacting with our brain. Things aren't true simply because you have a "feeling" they are, it's extremely difficult to obtain the truth about anything to begin with because it requires huge amounts of evidence. I subscribe to empiricism myself and it's one of the core principles of science. I fundamentally believe that we can only learn about reality through a slow progression of empirical data and only develop roughly accurate models of reality and revise them as more evidence is accumulated. maybe you were never an empiricist, making you more susceptible to adopting a religion as a coping mechanism, but don't assume other people are the same way.

By the way, the concept of "sin" is a truly disgusting method of determining what's ethical and unethical. People are not "innately guilty" of things. there is not "universal law" of ethical values. value systems in any society, including ethics, are determined through social goals and priorities, based on material circumstance. If the goal of a society is to minimize harm for as many people as possible, then a logical extension of that would be to form a society that respects and protects human dignity and to create conditions for people to thrive in. if on the other hand, a dominate ruling class wants to enforce their own social goal to perpetuate their class dominance, then they will establish laws and "ethics" that are beneficial to that. They might even utilize a religion, say catholicism, to establish a "divine right of kings", so that they can claim by the grace of an "all powerful entity", that their bloodline is divinely blessed and 'deserves' to be in charge, and that can then be used as a form of abhorrent justification to forcefully convert millions and conquer millions of other people.

What makes "sin" truly despicable as a concept is that it's not based on a consideration of circumstances that cause people to behave the way they do, it's based on "humans are innately sinful and corrupt because they go against gods will", that individuals should 'innately' feel guilty for being who they are or feeling and behaving the way they do. this is reprehensible and completely out of whack with how human behavior works, not to mention it is reductionist in the most despicable way. Everything and everyone having to do with society is a product of their social and material environment, the social goals that society promotes and the societal standards required for acceptance into that society and their physiology and wiring of the brain. Things are not "wrong" or "right" simply because some supposed god suggest it is, they are determined to be "wrong" or "right" in accordance to the social priorities a society upholds. In my view, determining what is 'wrong' or 'right' based on how much 'harm' a certain set of action or policy causes is the best approach.Through this system, evidence can be gathered up to figure out what causes harm to people.

To make this point even more clear, Christianity claims "god has a plan", and knows everything that will happen in the future due to omniscience, and that "EVERYONE" that exist is part of that plan. If that is true, then the christian deity knowingly produces people who will behave in a certain set of ways throughout their life, even if that means it will lead them to a place of 'eternal torture'. What is that supposed to say about your christian god? It's tyrannical. It wants everyone to be "personally accountable" for things that this god sets in motion, and then the god punished people eternally and horrifically for doing exactly what the god being set in motion to begin with. how is that anything less that reprehensible?

 

[takuyablackbox]

To make this point even more clear, Christianity claims "god has a plan", and knows everything that will happen in the future due to omniscience, and that "EVERYONE" that exist is part of that plan. If that is true, then the christian deity knowingly produces people who will behave in a certain set of ways throughout their life, even if that means it will lead them to a place of 'eternal torture'. What is that supposed to say about your christian god? It's tyrannical.

op wasn't even trying to push their religion on anyone... this is a recovery forum and they're talking about what helped them recover. but that's ok, let's talk! i read your argument and i can see your frustration. let me start with saying that I don't like Christianity as an organized religion. i publicly reject it, it's morphed into a system of abuse and greed built off the exploitation off the vulnerable . now with that, i feel that the biggest reason that Christians have become so resented, is because people follow through with Christianity based off how they're taught to. someone else tells them what's "right" and what's "wrong", someone else tells them how they should follow and spread the word of God, and they end up building zero personal interpretations of their religion, working against any real personal relationship with God.


people say there's no evidence to prove god's existence, but i tell them i disagree. did you know that Jesus was a real person, historically proven, to live when he did and be killed the way he was. did you also know that after Jesus's death, all but 2 of the 12 disciples were brutally chased after and killed? slain by the sword, stoned, hanged, and crucified upside down. other than that, judas hung himself after betraying Jesus, and the disciple John was the only one to be historically known to die of old age. to not believe in god is to say that Jesus was a liar, a regular human being, but if by god, nothing else, you truly witnessed this person say they're the prophesied son of man, perform miracles, be executed for them, just for him to resurrect from the grave three days later, would 10 perfectly sane and already respected men not otherwise knowingly throw away their lives for anything else? for anything other than the truth? truly?

yes, God knows everything. he knew how people would use his name to put down their neighbors. he knew my dad, a Christian, was going to die of cancer, he knew i was going to attempt suicide. and he knew he was going to send down his only son, just for him to be sacrificed for the sins of the human race. and he still wept.
but that doesn't mean we don't choose our path. judas willingly (by influence of the devil, as well) chose to betray Jesus, yet Jesus still knew all along and did not avoid it or stop him. even if you're not a Christian, you can agree that yes, everyone presently has free will, but the choices we choose to make are destined to us because it's the path we'd have always chose in the end. no one on this planet is good. not even one. and the bible acknowledges this (psalm 14:2-3). but Jesus was good. and when you read witness testimonies of him in the bible, his personality seems almost alien, surreal and otherworldly, just because he was truly good.

this world sucks dude. god never made anything bad. he made trees, the ocean, the sky, the stars, and humans, to be his companion. but we choose sin. we live in a world corrupted by sin, normalized with sin, and we're destined to sin. but He forgives us. if by god, we can be surrounded in this fucked up, horrible, evil world. and still find the light, the ONLY good that ever touched this planet: Jesus Christ, and believe in him--believe in good. then that's how we redeem ourselves.

i believe that God is real. and like really think about it for a second. i truly believe that God exists. it's insane. it's so fucking incomprehensible. that's why people kill over Him, argue and debate, hate and love. i don't think we truly understand one percent of this shit. it's so much bigger than us, than this life we have on earth. i know someone who converted to Christianity after being agnostic for 38 years. and i'm not trying to convert you now, seriously. i just wanted to help answer the questions you had about a subject that i really care about. you have free will to live however the hell you want. just please, don't put anyone down because of their beliefs, no matter the religion. i think the world would be a much better place if we all just imagined ourselves in the other person's shoes. :)

 

[fallingtopieces]

this world sucks dude. god never made anything bad. he made trees, the ocean, the sky, the stars, and humans, to be his companion. but we choose sin. we live in a world corrupted by sin, normalized with sin, and we're destined to sin. but He forgives us. if by god, we can be surrounded in this fucked up, horrible, evil world. and still find the light, the ONLY good that ever touched this planet: Jesus Christ, and believe in him--believe in good. then that's how we redeem ourselves.

i believe that God is real. and like really think about it for a second. i truly believe that God exists. it's insane. it's so fucking incomprehensible. that's why people kill over Him, argue and debate, hate and love. i don't think we truly understand one percent of this shit. it's so much bigger than us, than this life we have on earth. i know someone who converted to Christianity after being agnostic for 38 years. and i'm not trying to convert you now, seriously. i just wanted to help answer the questions you had about a subject that i really care about. you have free will to live however the hell you want. just please, don't put anyone down because of their beliefs, no matter the religion. i think the world would be a much better place if we all just imagined ourselves in the other person's shoes. :)

well, you are simultaneously saying you/they are not proselytizing, yet you are proselytizing. i don't believe anyone was trying to put op down for their beliefs. but some of things said were pretty much automatic controversial territory. certainly things like sin as the source of problems, confessional vs therapy, taking responsibility vs medicalizing problems.

one person converting, is one person converting. religion on the whole has been greatly on the decline, certainly in America. which is why the same, often cruel, even hateful, organized folks you spoke of are now trying to push religion onto Americans and take away their rights based on their beliefs. unless you're a gun, in which case you have all kinds of rights to be everywhere. it seems jesus would approve of christmas family photos full of ar-15s, capitalist exploitation and wageslavery. religious conservative are certainly all about that. but i agree with you wholeheartedly with the last sentence you wrote.

 

[Jorvak]

op wasn't even trying to push their religion on anyone... this is a recovery forum and they're talking about what helped them recover. but that's ok, let's talk! i read your argument and i can see your frustration. let me start with saying that I don't like Christianity as an organized religion. i publicly reject it, it's morphed into a system of abuse and greed built off the exploitation off the vulnerable . now with that, i feel that the biggest reason that Christians have become so resented, is because people follow through with Christianity based off how they're taught to. someone else tells them what's "right" and what's "wrong", someone else tells them how they should follow and spread the word of God, and they end up building zero personal interpretations of their religion, working against any real personal relationship with God.


people say there's no evidence to prove god's existence, but i tell them i disagree. did you know that Jesus was a real person, historically proven, to live when he did and be killed the way he was. did you also know that after Jesus's death, all but 2 of the 12 disciples were brutally chased after and killed? slain by the sword, stoned, hanged, and crucified upside down. other than that, judas hung himself after betraying Jesus, and the disciple John was the only one to be historically known to die of old age. to not believe in god is to say that Jesus was a liar, a regular human being, but if by god, nothing else, you truly witnessed this person say they're the prophesied son of man, perform miracles, be executed for them, just for him to resurrect from the grave three days later, would 10 perfectly sane and already respected men not otherwise knowingly throw away their lives for anything else? for anything other than the truth? truly?

yes, God knows everything. he knew how people would use his name to put down their neighbors. he knew my dad, a Christian, was going to die of cancer, he knew i was going to attempt suicide. and he knew he was going to send down his only son, just for him to be sacrificed for the sins of the human race. and he still wept.
but that doesn't mean we don't choose our path. judas willingly (by influence of the devil, as well) chose to betray Jesus, yet Jesus still knew all along and did not avoid it or stop him. even if you're not a Christian, you can agree that yes, everyone presently has free will, but the choices we choose to make are destined to us because it's the path we'd have always chose in the end. no one on this planet is good. not even one. and the bible acknowledges this (psalm 14:2-3). but Jesus was good. and when you read witness testimonies of him in the bible, his personality seems almost alien, surreal and otherworldly, just because he was truly good.

this world sucks dude. god never made anything bad. he made trees, the ocean, the sky, the stars, and humans, to be his companion. but we choose sin. we live in a world corrupted by sin, normalized with sin, and we're destined to sin. but He forgives us. if by god, we can be surrounded in this fucked up, horrible, evil world. and still find the light, the ONLY good that ever touched this planet: Jesus Christ, and believe in him--believe in good. then that's how we redeem ourselves.

i believe that God is real. and like really think about it for a second. i truly believe that God exists. it's insane. it's so fucking incomprehensible. that's why people kill over Him, argue and debate, hate and love. i don't think we truly understand one percent of this shit. it's so much bigger than us, than this life we have on earth. i know someone who converted to Christianity after being agnostic for 38 years. and i'm not trying to convert you now, seriously. i just wanted to help answer the questions you had about a subject that i really care about. you have free will to live however the hell you want. just please, don't put anyone down because of their beliefs, no matter the religion. i think the world would be a much better place if we all just imagined ourselves in the other person's shoes. :)

Gosh you are such a hypocrite. you spend no less than four paragraphs proselytizing and trying to play on peoples vulnerabilities "the world sucks dude" to make them believe what you believe, even while claiming this thread is not about proselytization.

You outright ignored my standards for how i form my opinions on things, and continued to proselytize with your biblical BS. That is not respectful to me or what my standards of belief are. I made it extremely clear I'm an empiricist and demand a large degree of evidence to justify any conclusion. no amount of you rehashing biblical stories and making claims about a Jesus figure who was a glorified cult leader out of many in his day, or your claims about the powers of some deity you believe in, is going to convince me, because its simply not evidence. They are literally just claims. Claims are not evidence and therefore can be dismissed.

You can think "God is real" all you fucking want, but proselytizing and trying to take advantage of peoples vulnerabilities to make them believe in things without evidence is disgusting to me, and ignoring my explicitly stated standards for how i think and develop my beliefs is extremely disrespectful.

and yes, this thread is about proselytization, it suggest mental health conditions have to do with "sin", as though people who are suffering are to blame for their own suffering, which is truly disgusting in and of itself and completely incorrect. It's entirely contrary to the evidence and facts that shows that people develop extreme depression due to a variety of economic and social circumstances, how they are treated by other people, to what extent they are dehumanized, ostracized, alienated, rejected, marginalized, humiliated, oppressed, abused by others, traumatized, suffering from severe physical disabilities, chronic pain, dealing with economic disenfranchisement, lack of job opportunities or ability to thrive in society, and so much more, that make a persons life miserable and brings their self-worth to nothing. This also includes the Bigotry, oppression and chauvinism created by your oh so beloved 'christian religion' itself. gosh.

yes, God knows everything. he knew how people would use his name to put down their neighbors. he knew my dad, a Christian, was going to die of cancer, he knew i was going to attempt suicide. and he knew he was going to send down his only son, just for him to be sacrificed for the sins of the human race. and he still wept. but that doesn't mean we don't choose our path.

And this completely misses the point, entirely. These two things cannot exist at the same time. It's impossible to know everything that will ever happen in the future, while people can simultaneously "choose their own path". This is a basic logical contradiction. Knowing Everything implies "Gods plan" is deterministic, and that people cannot chose a path differently from the future that "god knows" will happen. You cannot have a reality where a diety can know the entirety of the future as it will happen and somehow think people have any other choice but to abide by this preconceived future. By the very premise of your own faith, "free will" is a logical impossibility, period, as much as you may want to deny it.

I'm a hard determinist anyways, i believe free will is an impossibility to begin with, due to the fact that everything in the universe is governed by physical laws, including the process by which we make decisions, and its impossible for us to consciously shape reality to our will.

believe in him--believe in good

Bleh, i already went over how "good" and "Bad" are not defined by the authority of a religion, it's defined by social priorities relative to material circumstance. I believe a particularly good set of social priorities to go by is one that is focused on reducing harm and maximizing human dignity and potential for all is a good foundation to base ethics on. Maybe if you actually read my post you would understand that, instead on proselytizing on things i already preemptively presented arguments against , and somehow expecting me to nod along

 

[Jack_Nimble]

If there was a devil, which there isn't. He invented Catholicism

op wasn't even trying to push their religion on anyone...

Oh no. He just told people they'd feel better if they participated in his false religion. And felt sorry for us talking down to us saying if only we understood our suffering is our own fault cause we choose sin. That's not rude. That's not prostelyzing. This isn't a church. This isn't a religious forum. There's lots of places for that.

. Trust me, after you receive absolution you'll be glad you made a confession.

The Bible with all of its false promises as broken down the mental health of many people. And here he is trying to encourage people to follow false religion.

. did you know that Jesus was a real person,

Did you know the founder of every religion, whether they claim to be a God or not, was a real person? So are you trying to tell me that every religion is true?

god never made anything bad.

Actually according to the bible god is creator of everything. Where did Lucifer come from?

Anyone? Anyone at all care to address this so called God ordering the murder of babies, children, and women, just cause their parents have the wrong religion? Read the full book for context. But the baby murder order is 1st Samuel 15:3. The book says plain as day to kill them just cause their parents are pagan. Kill the babies.
Have any of you prostelyzers read the full bible? Most haven't. I was born into the insane religion. Foolishly I believed it cause I was told to. I believed foolishly it was my fault, my son, my choice. Even though the Bible actually says you don't have any choice but you must sin cause you're human.

I've studied the Bible intensely for about two decades. Front to back, back to front. Concordance, dictionaries, indexes, Greek, Hebrew. It wasn't til I grew sick of the mass heresy that I finally learned the truth. The most obvious and stupid heresy is Christians practicing th Sabbath on th first day of the week when the bible says over and over and over and over the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. When you christians refuse to take your own religious text seriously, how can you expect us to take you seriously?

So eventually I finally decided to restart my studies. I started reading the Bible again from front to back this time ignoring everything I've ever been taught about it. Making sense of it on my own with my own mind. There is no sense to be made of it. It's just a system of politics to control you by blaming you. It will break down your mental health for the gain of others.

I truly feel sorry for you falling for such a terrible lies. Praying, waiting, hoping for miracles that never come. So sad.
Funny thing. They cleaned up the bible quite a bit for us English readers. In the Hebrew and Greek it's quite clear this so called god has banned medicines. If you use medicine it's considered witchcraft and says it you use it you won't make it to heaven.
Well they also dirtied it up a bit for the English. Hell for example is an invention of the English writers. There are many Hebrew and Greek words which are not hell that were translated to the English word hell.

If only you christians actually knew what the bible said. If only.

There is also no place in the bible that says a sinner will suffer an eternity. No place at all. Just an invention of the catholic church to scare you for their own power.
Thanks to these disgusting, vile, cruel, greedy religious leaders I get to watch my mom pray for healing that never comes. Both for her depression and physical illnesses. Not only is her false hope broken which worsens her health. christians love to tell those who don't get healed it's their fault. They say if course they must be doing ng something wrong if the all powerful god isn't helping them.

There is no such god. Wake up.