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Jack_Nimble

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Jun 22, 2024
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I am 37 years old. I've smoked weed since I was in my early teens. Quitting occasionally for different reasons that weren't my desire. Such as jobs that random drug tested. I've used THC daily the vast majority of my adult life. This is the first time ever in my life I quit ONLY for myself and my own health. With no one testing me. Practically all employers local to me have stopped drug testing.

Why did I quit? Especially if so many of us view this plant as being helpful. Last summer I was thinking about how when I was in public school they told us marijuana was bad but they knew nothing about it really because it was so illegal they could not study it. I figured with the US legalization lately we've surely studied it and learned much of it. And we have! So while at work I began listening to videos from scientists who study it.

It turns out that it is genuinely unhealthy. Our bodies have endocannabinoid system regulates organs. Our bodies create their own cannabinoids. THC bombards are endocannabinoid receptor system. While there is a variety of ways this affects our health. What really got me was its effects on sleep. Yes it helps nearly everybody fall asleep faster. However, it reduces REM sleep to nearly nothing. This is a very important sleep cycle, where most of your dreams come from. Have you done lately? So I decided to quit for better sleep quality. I know how important sleep is to every aspect of health.

I genuinely feel better without marijuana. It's really nice to not need to use it and the time it consumes to simply feel normal. No quitting hasn't fixed me. No it was not easy. When someone quits there is a temporary REM sleep rebound. In which you dream vividly and excessively. During this time my dreams were so vivid I considered using THC again to stop the disturbing dreams. But I did not, and this time was temporary. My dreams have calmed down. But they are still there on a regular basis unlike when I was using thc. It is theorized that our brains use dreams as a sort of mental therapy with ourselves.

It also reduces gray matter in the brain. It definitely affects the brain in a number of ways.

Here's the tricky way THC and pretty much all substances work when we use them for mental health issues. At first they do genuinely help. But that is only at first until our bodies are used to it. Then frankly it makes matters worse. And we then need the substance to simply feel some level of normalcy. While we are overall worse. But since they make us feel some level of normalcy this tricks us into thinking that is helping when it is not. This is a cycle of most addictions.

The following long detailed podcast/video is what really helped me decide to quit. After learning the topic in depth it took me a couple of months to finally quit. If you do quit, you will feel even worse before you do feel better. Probably about a month.

I also highly recommend looking up videos with Dr Anna Lembke. She appeared on many podcasts and wrote the excellent book Dopamine Nation.

Thank you for reading.

 
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OptingOutSmiling

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Thanks for sharing. I started smoking regularly about mid 2022 and stopped beginning of this year. Not because I had to or even wanted to but because I had to move countries and where I'm now it's not legal. I didn't watch your video, but in all honesty, I feel like smoking had a negative effect on my mental wellbeing. I do miss it though and would still like to be able to smoke on occasion when I want to chill. I don't know if you saw this one, not scientific, but I can relate to how it made me feel sometimes Rafi Comedy (removed from reality even when I was not high).
 
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yowai

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Aug 28, 2024
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I wish I could quit again because I'm back to smoking every day and the high is not that special any more and it probably makes me more sluggish and unmotivated. It helps but only if I don't smoke too often
 
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whywere

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Never tried weed or any street drug in my almost 69 years here and never will. I had friends back in the 1970's who overdosed on everything from LSD to you name it and after seeing what did to them, no thank you.

All these years later, I am so glad that I never tried street chemicals ever.

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DeadEndRoad

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Nov 14, 2023
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One thing I've noticed about weed is that I don't dream, ever. (I know you mentioned it) The only time I stop smoking is when money is tight and when that happens I get the most VIVID dreams you can imagine. I've had horrifying nightmares in my life but none of them have ever been as vivid or potent as the dreams you get when you stop smoking. I love it honestly.
 
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Jack_Nimble

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Jun 22, 2024
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...I'm back to smoking every day and the high is not that special any more...
That's one of the things I'm glad to be without. Def was difficult to quit. But I'm glad I don't need it anymore to feel normal or to be "me." That's how it was for me anyways.
One thing I've noticed about weed is that I don't dream, ever. (I know you mentioned it) The only time I stop smoking is when money is tight and when that happens I get the most VIVID dreams you can imagine. I've had horrifying nightmares in my life but none of them have ever been as vivid or potent as the dreams you get when you stop smoking. I love it honestly.
Interestingly enough using weed to get rid of nightmares is one of I think only two legitimately proven medical uses of cannabis. In PTSD for example, if the nightmares are so disturbing and frequent that sleep is incredibly disrupted that sleeping without REM is more useful/restful. They talk about it in more detail in the vid I posted, but it's almost four hours long. That and childhood epilepsy are I think the only two actual medical uses so far.

I also wanna say I am for THC legalization. Making it illicit only make it more dangerous. More likely to be covered in pesticides or to be laced with other drugs. As well as gives gangs funding. I'm really not in favor of any drug being illegal. I just wish alcohol wasn't so darned socially acceptable. Few substances are more damaging than alcohol.
, but I can relate to how it made me feel sometimes Rafi Comedy (removed from reality even when I was not high).
Lol that was funny. Reminds me of when I was 14&15 yrs old. At that age cigarettes enhanced my THC high. I didn't use THC daily and for a few days after smoking weed whenever I smoked a cigarette I would feel the THC high again.
 
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wheredidyouleaseme

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Dec 9, 2023
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i hope you have an easy recovery journey -and thank you for sharing
 
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Have any hobbies or other vices filled the space left by THC for you?
 
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Jack_Nimble

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Jun 22, 2024
160
i hope you have an easy recovery journey -and thank you for sharing
Thank you.
Have any hobbies or other vices filled the space left by THC for you?
Nope. I mean yeah I have hobbies and vices but for the most part I'd reduced most of them. I had quit porn, cigarettes, caffeine within the same week. Back to nicotine vaping and porn but both much reduced. I am into houseplants and self-improvement. Reduced or eliminated those temporarily. I even quit my job about a 1 1/2 months ago, did some door dashing. Now starting an amazing new job opportunity tomorrow.

I also moved from someone else's smoking house to a non-smoking house 3 weeks after quitting THC. My main motivation in this is the REM sleep loss. I'm sorta a health nut and I understand sleep is at least in the top 3 things vital to health.
 
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wheredidyouleaseme

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houseplants are also something i find really cathartic. as well as cooking. good look for the new job. take each day as it comes!
 
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Chr0nicAnhedonic

So much for stardust...
Oct 1, 2023
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I use cannabis as an escape when work or some other aspect of my life is draining me. I used to have it every other day at the most at the beginning of last year, but now I'm back to every day because life has been pretty intolerable the past few months (usually because of work, but now just existence in general).

How're you able to cope with such immense struggles without feeling like you need to resort to weed to get through?
 
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dragonofenvy

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Oct 8, 2023
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When you quit an addiction, usually you need to have something to replace that addiction. For me, all I do is take edibles and play video games because I have nothing else in my life and have the idea that I will never have anything else in life. So how does someone like me (and you?) successfully quit? As @Chr0nicAnhedonic above me said, what d you do to cope with immense struggles? Because the only thing I look forward to is getting home to take edibles to ignore my shitty emotions for a while because I just spent all day at work fighting against them.

I think I already know the answer to this, it's a pretty straightforward one, but I figured I'd ask a guy who kicked addictions anyway.
 
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Jack_Nimble

Student
Jun 22, 2024
160
How're you able to cope with such immense struggles without feeling like you need to resort to weed to get through?
Okay so I can't say I'm 100% self aware on this. But in large part through learning that no drug helps cope once a tolerance is achieved. They only help cope when there is no tolerance. Once one uses a drug beyond short term it only provides the illusion of coping while actually bringing your mood down overall. I feel that saying being completely clean is the cope. While it does help in short term use, once your body adjusts it brings your mood baseline down. Then when you do use while you have a tolerance when you are high it only brings you back to what normal was before you ever began to use, if that even honestly. Which really tells you that quitting the drug won't be a fix or a cure for your troubles by any means, only a help, only a piece of the large complex puzzle no one fully understands.

Okay so coping beyond that. Lifting weights, reading self help books (currently reading Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents) going for a walk. One I don't use anymore but have is cold showers. Or starting the shower hot and ending it cold.

A little about exercise and cold showers. Every brain has a pleasure/pain balance in which dopamine is involved. No matter whether we feel pain or pleasure our brains will push the opposite direction in attempt to equalize. So frankly whether you seek pain or pleasure both will get your brain to release dopamine. Just in different orders and duration. Pushing on the pleasure side usually maxxes out at an hour of dopamine. But pushing on the pain side with exercise or cold showers can result in several hours of dopamine release.

I hope that answers your question. My understanding is there is absolutely no easy way of going about this. And that trying to do this the easy way will only cause more mental misery. For me this understanding made it easier for me to make this choice, finally.

All that said. After quitting THC YES, my moods are noticably better overall. Also, my struggles and lows are not as bad.
 
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in the end, nothing matters
Sep 17, 2023
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this is interesting. especially the part about dreams- im a heavy thc user, i smoke essentially every day. my whole life even while smoking, ive had very disturbing and vivid dreams. i wake up constantly throughout the night. sleep paralysis and lucid dreaming are very common for me too. but the past few days ive stopped smoking because i got a cold and my throat is sore- and i noticed my sleep has gotten worse tenfold. the insomnia is awful and ive been having nightmares back to back. i do plan to just go back to smoking once my throat feels better, because i really dont care for my health, but it's useful to know.
 
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Jack_Nimble

Student
Jun 22, 2024
160
Insomnia is a common withdrawal symptom for THC and many other addictions. It is interesting that you still dream while using.

Also as for the sleep getting worse from not using temporarily. Quitting any addiction will always first result in feeling much worse. There is no way around that. Usually lasts about month before the body can recover from the addiction and feel better.

This is one reason why addictions are so deceptive in tricking us to think they are helping. Cause we will undoubtedly feel worse physically and emotionally until we fully recover.
 
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Jack_Nimble

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Jun 22, 2024
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Aha I found it. At six minutes in Dr Anna Lembke starts digging into the mental health effects of THC. She mentions there are no RELIABLE studies showing positive mental health effects. Keeping in mind what's considered "reliable" among the scientific community are quite low standards and highly questionable/debatable. See this thread for more information about it.


Dr Anna Lembke wrote two helpful informative books on the topic. Dopamine Nation and The Official Dopamine Nation Workbook. The latter of course being especially geared to engage in helping your customized quitting plan and journey. With different chapters meant to be worked on in different weeks of recovery.



Every brain has a pleasure/pain balance in which dopamine is involved. No matter whether we feel pain or pleasure our brains will push the opposite direction in attempt to equalize.
A little more about this balance and choosing to get prolonged dopamine by pressing on the pain side as opposed to the pleasure side. You can absolutely go to far in pressing on the pain side!! Beyond physical risks from behaviors like cutting (infections, scarring, etc) there are negative mental health effects as well. You can absolutely become addicted to pressing on the pain side. Adrenaline junkies, thrill seekers, sky divers, experience mental health disorders at higher rates. You can become addicted to ice baths.

The key here is respecting the balance and attempting to understand it. It is normal and beneficial to move in both pain and pleasure directions on a regular basis. It's what we've evolved to do. But it is harmful to move too far in either direction on a regular basis.

Summed up. While it is considered healthier and beneficial to get your dopamine by pressing on the pain side. Don't go too far! This is not a license to start or continue cutting by any means.

This is quit complex. Sure yeah one could simply live more naturally and that would be enough. They would be healthier than average. However we've been told but lies in complex ways for longer than most of us have been alive. Largely for the sake of fat cats profiting from our believing in lies. Learning and understanding the complexity of this is what worked for me to finally decide to free myself from the lies. To love a better life.

Thank you all for allowing me to share this in discussion format. I really appreciate it.
 
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Jack_Nimble

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Jun 22, 2024
160
I just want to share my recent experience with smoking weed again after quitting. So like idk maybe about six months now since quitting THC entirely. I decided to get ahold of an ex GF I hadn't talked to in over five years. I still like her and figured she still likes me too. She was down to hang out and asked me if I was still cool with weed. I of course said yes and figured it can't really hurt.

She didn't have any so I went to the store for a thc vape. I thought about giving her the vape when we were done hanging out for the day but I did not. Just one vape cart right? I used it daily after work and before bed. I intended to be done with it when that ran out but bought another. It's been 3.5 weeks and the second cart is nearly gone. Maybe I'll get one more good high out of it today, maybe not. This time I also intend (even more so) to be done with it when this one is out. But we'll see how strong my self control is when the time comes!

In this time frame my mood has def gone down. My motivation is all gone whether I'm high or not. I feel this is due to the notable measurable sleep quality loss from THC use. That's largely why I quit in the first place and I will again. Because I want to be better. I want to feel better. Sleep is vital to practically every aspect of mental and physical health. A note about the loss of REM sleep and dreaming. Of course I'm not measuring my rem sleep at home (sleep tracker watches don't actually know what stage of sleep you are in) I'd say I didn't really lose out on REM sleep from one day of use. I still dreampt nightly for the first three or four days of use. But that's gone now.

I've also in the past few weeks fallen right back into a porn addiction for lengthy periods of time. At age 37 now I've had a porn addiction pretty much since puberty. The porn addiction kinda just went away last fall when I quit THC. Previously I'd consume porn 1-3 hours a day. When I quit THC it reduced to a half hour or less only every other day ish and only during the weekdays NOT the weekends. I was proud of this reduction. Perhaps to the point where I was no longer addicted to porn? But yeah right back into it with THC use. Including weekend consumption too. Aft r quitting weed my weekends became productive. With THC I just wanna get high and sp and hours in my bed with my laptop.

Anywho. To me personally this porn thing confirms what I learned about THC addiction last fall. Which is that THC use causes all addictions to feel more enjoyable and therefore become more addictive.

If you want to quote multiple addictions and THC is one th m I would help though recommend quitting THC first. It's not harmless and it's not an effective coping mechanism by any means.

I really wish govts hadn't implemented such extreme bans to the point THC was illegal to study. I spent most of my life truly believing there wer no health harms from THC use (except the obvious lung damage from smoke inhalation). When I was a t en in school the teachers told us that all they knew was there were no deaths linked to weed and they knew nothing else due to the bans.



If anyone has any questions of course feel free to ask. I'm open to the encouragment orr advice also!
 
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