Discussion i just watched a very cool video on suicide and the afterlife

[snowman626]

so this girl talks about what she thinks about suicide and afterlife. her opinion has weight because she travels out of body and talks to people who commited suicided, you can choose to believe that or not but i have had out of body travels myself and know its real, and many people in the out of body field tells the same thing about the afterlife. basically theres an afterlife and its good, and suicide is not going to send you to hell and that its just something made up by archons to scare us into staying here on earth so they can continue using us as their slaves.

 

[Alec]

Sounds interesting, I'm gonna watch this but tomorrow, I really should go to sleep right now

 

[Lost4toolong]

I fIgure. Back in ancient times. Before modern religion. And even in some modern religions. While there may be a hell suicides never been a criteria for it. I mean back in the day a samurai might take his own life if all his brothers fell on the field and he was to proud to fall to the enemy. They new nothing of our "hell" would they be punished with it still? Idk. Just my speculation

 

[Indieblue]

What does archon mean? Does it mean a sort of god?

 

[theguineapigking]

so this girl talks about what she thinks about suicide and afterlife. her opinion has weight because she travels out of body and talks to people who commited suicided, you can choose to believe that or not but i have had out of body travels myself and know its real, and many people in the out of body field tells the same thing about the afterlife. basically theres an afterlife and its good, and suicide is not going to send you to hell and that its just something made up by archons to scare us into staying here on earth so they can continue using us as their slaves.

Hey. I'm curious,how do you know it's real. I am very open minded. I'm genuinely curious how you know it's real rather than a lucid dream. Does it feel more real? Have you verified things in different places?


I would be very interested to hear back from you.

Thanks

 

[Imustbefree]

May I post what my personal opinion is of the afterlife? This is just based on what I've read and on other sites (mostly spiritual). Again, you are free to reject my views and they are only my views. I just don't want to get banned for posting an opinion.

 

[Skyview]

Interesting video , can you describe the afterlife for us and have you met people who have died wether it be natural death or suicide and also , did they appear in a physical body ? Did you see fields / countryside or perhaps cities when you experience out of body travels ?
Archons are demonic and only a hop skip and jump from Earth's realm though some claim that Archons are actually "grey's" also known as Reptillians .
Dualism ; dark and light , are there no protective entities out there to combat these Archons or could it be that you are on your own , fight or flight scenario ?

 

[theguineapigking]

What does archon mean? Does it mean a sort of god?

I think it means spirits such as spirit guides or higher ups. Not Gods. Some people believe spirits can mask their identity and try to make you feel comfortable(for evil reasons or not). A spirit guide(spirit assigned to you while you're in a human body..perhaps a friend)for example may appear as Jesus or a family member(whichever would make you feel most comfortable).



This is based on my research. I myself haven't had any spiritual experiences. That's why I'm so curious if these are lucid dreams or truly obe. Even out of body experiences dont prove spirits exist. It could be the brain is telepathic. Who knows?

 

[Indieblue]

I think it means spirits such as spirit guides or higher ups. Not Gods. Some people believe spirits can mask their identity and try to make you feel comfortable(for evil reasons or not). A spirit guide(spirit assigned to you while you're in a human body..perhaps a friend)for example may appear as Jesus or a family member(whichever would make you feel most comfortable).



This is based on my research. I myself haven't had any spiritual experiences. That's why I'm so curious if these are lucid dreams or truly obe. Even out of body experiences dont prove spirits exist. It could be the brain is telepathic. Who knows?

Yes, even ghosts, it could be stone tape theory :) i am also open to all possibilities.

 

[Imustbefree]

Okay, these are just my views and my views only so feel free to reject them :)

My personal opinion is you don't stop existing when you die. I don't believe every death experience is exactly the same but for the vast majority you do go to a white light. Those that do not go to a white light are usually Earth bound but that is temporary (temporary could mean centuries, though lol). Every Earth spirit eventually goes to the white light, tho.

That demon thing apparition that pretended to be a dead relative could theoretically happen, but that is a very, very rare experience, though, from what I've read. Usually when a soul dies in a traumatic fashion, they receive immense amounts of healing upon arrival once they enter the white light. You don't get that demon thing.

Again, these are my views and my views only, so feel free to reject, accept, or just take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Skyview]

Okay, these are just my views and my views only so feel free to reject them :)

My personal opinion is you don't stop existing when you die. I don't believe every death experience is exactly the same but for the vast majority you do go to a white light. Those that do not go to a white light are usually Earth bound but that is temporary (temporary could mean centuries, though lol). Every Earth spirit eventually goes to the white light, tho.

That demon thing apparition that pretended to be a dead relative could theoretically happen, but that is a very, very rare experience, though, from what I've read. Usually when a soul dies in a traumatic fashion, they receive immense amounts of healing upon arrival once they enter the white light. You don't get that demon thing.

Again, these are my views and my views only, so feel free to reject, accept, or just take it with a grain of salt.

I find it refreshing when someone states they are open minded , it leads to interesting discussions whatever the subject matter .
Some of your premise I agree with though I would like to add to it , when death occurs everyone travels to a destination and no one is left behind to meander on the earth in any shape or form . This stone theory is interesting, residual energy captured within buildings or rocks to explain supernatural experiences yet no one suggests demonic occurrences as opposed to ghostly activities. If someone has a mind to call on a demon using whatever means by incantations that demon is now free to roam the earth and not all demons are dangerous, some are manipulative others are mischievous and could they be ghosts as opposed to human spirits .
Interesting thoughts on the video suggesting demons taking the form of relatives to manipulate spirits is how do demons know your relatives or friends , short answer is they don't, it's impossible . Demons cannot claim your spirit nor can they coerced someone to follow them , intervention will be swift to allow the spirit to travel and this is where spirit guides come into play , their sole purpose is to allow safe passage .

 

[Indieblue]

I find it refreshing when someone states they are open minded , it leads to interesting discussions whatever the subject matter .
Some of your premise I agree with though I would like to add to it , when death occurs everyone travels to a destination and no one is left behind to meander on the earth in any shape or form . This stone theory is interesting, residual energy captured within buildings or rocks to explain supernatural experiences yet no one suggests demonic occurrences as opposed to ghostly activities. If someone has a mind to call on a demon using whatever means by incantations that demon is now free to roam the earth and not all demons are dangerous, some are manipulative others are mischievous and could they be ghosts as opposed to human spirits .
Interesting thoughts on the video suggesting demons taking the form of relatives to manipulate spirits is how do demons know your relatives or friends , short answer is they don't, it's impossible . Demons cannot claim your spirit nor can they coerced someone to follow them , intervention will be swift to allow the spirit to travel and this is where spirit guides come into play , their sole purpose is to allow safe passage .

Can you elaborate what "could they be ghosts as opposed to human spirits ."mean for me? I am a little bit confused and your theory is also interesting

 

[TheSuicidalEccentric]

Lmao

 

[Proto]

I also think it's bullshit that you go to hell when you commit suicide, it's just to prevent you from doing it because the opportunistic powers profit of you living. Especially the pharmacist industry.

 

[itsmeagain]

so this girl talks about what she thinks about suicide and afterlife. her opinion has weight because she travels out of body and talks to people who commited suicided, you can choose to believe that or not but i have had out of body travels myself and know its real, and many people in the out of body field tells the same thing about the afterlife. basically theres an afterlife and its good, and suicide is not going to send you to hell and that its just something made up by archons to scare us into staying here on earth so they can continue using us as their slaves.

I sure hope that there's something.

 

[Skyview]

Can you elaborate what "could they be ghosts as opposed to human spirits ."mean for me? I am a little bit confused and your theory is also interesting

It's extremely rare for a human spirit to remain on Earth after death , each soul travels to another realm along pathways irrespective of where you die on Earth the soul always follows these pathways . It matters not if someone is religious or spiritual or an atheist , after death the soul will travel to a destination and it is only through death that this will occur and not by a near death experience or an out of body experience. Interesting story of a boy who claimed he went to Heaven , he had a NDE experience and his book was on the New York Times bestseller list , turns out it was all lies , he made it all up to garner attention and obviously made some money .
Those that have a NDE do experience a floating sensation and some can look down on their own body watching others trying to bring the body back to life , if they succeed the soul enters the body .
With NDE why doesn't the soul continue on its journey since it has already left the body , a timeframe where the soul observe it's surroundings and confirms death before departing . If other forces come into play who control the soul's journey , do they differentiate between NDE and actual death and if they do it points to a higher intellect than Earth beings .
It has been stated that "ghosts" are souls that have been trapped on Earth through some terrifying experience and that they haunt their place of death , this begs the question "do souls have a choice wether to stay on Earth or continue their journey, " the obvious answer is no , souls don't have a choice , death occurs and the soul travels to its destination, however , there is one exception , demonic interference.
The demonic realm is in close proximity to Earth and at times demons will try to thwart the souls journey and I would add that this is a very rare occurrence, they may hinder the soul yet they cannot stop the passage as others come to the aid of the soul to allow safe passage to its destination.
Ghostly experiences may indeed be minor demonic entities rather than a powerful entity such as a djinn and no one on Earth has the power to bring one through yet they try nevertheless by using a pentagram , incantations and ejaculating on the cross of the crucifix .
Minor demons , for example, can be channeled through ouija boards and once they are summoned they stay within the confines of the Earth often inhabited within structures and can cause chaos if disturbed by throwing objects or slamming doors . They are invisible to the human eye and one could easily describe them as "ghosts" when in fact they are not !
It's interesting to note that the Catholic Church has all but ceased its exorcism program , I believe they are only a few priests in the world who can perform exorcism, does this mean fewer and fewer demons are being summoned, I certainly hope so !

 

[snowman626]

Hey. I'm curious,how do you know it's real. I am very open minded. I'm genuinely curious how you know it's real rather than a lucid dream. Does it feel more real? Have you verified things in different places?


I would be very interested to hear back from you.

Thanks

Its hard to verify things because I only stay out like a few seconds at a time and then I'm forced back in the body. If I could stay out for like 20 minutes then I could try to do some experiments.

However sometimes in the morning after just waking up I could see with astral vision. One time I put my hand in front of me and I could see it through closed eyes. When I saw my hand I knew it wasnt my physical hand because it was blue and it glowed, I think I was looking at my astral body.

I looked around my room and saw it in it's astral form. It was very real. It's hard to imagine that the brain can make me see through my eyelids like this. So I think there really is something on the other side, but I think of it as different frequencies and not some magical dimension of the unicorns and fairies.

Interesting video , can you describe the afterlife for us and have you met people who have died wether it be natural death or suicide and also , did they appear in a physical body ? Did you see fields / countryside or perhaps cities when you experience out of body travels ?
Archons are demonic and only a hop skip and jump from Earth's realm though some claim that Archons are actually "grey's" also known as Reptillians .
Dualism ; dark and light , are there no protective entities out there to combat these Archons or could it be that you are on your own , fight or flight scenario ?

Yeah the out of body places look like this one. These worlds look the same. The difference is that over there thought and manifestation is instant and this brings cool abilities like being able to fly, teleport, think of a house and a house appears, etc.

I dont think of the afterlife as a soul leaving the physical body and going somewhere. I think the consciousness just tunes into a different frequency. I believe there are different frequences of realities out there and our consciousness is like a radio that picks them up. these different realities have different rule sets. For whatever reason we are tuned into the physical world station, and when you lucid dream or have an out of body experience you are tuning into a different station. I think we tuned to this physical world station because some of us were tricked into doing so. (by the archons?)

I think we can fight archons and win easily, over there you are very powerful and can just manifest anything with thought. I dont know how they'd be able to harm you. They can't muscle you around, the only way they can harm you is by deception. They use your emotions and trick you into agreeing to do certain things like incarnating into a world like this one. They make you believe that you're here to "learn love" and whatever bullshit.

 

[theguineapigking]

Its hard to verify things because I only stay out like a few seconds at a time and then I'm forced back in the body. If I could stay out for like 20 minutes then I could try to do some experiments.

However sometimes in the morning after just waking up I could see with astral vision. One time I put my hand in front of me and I could see it through closed eyes. When I saw my hand I knew it wasnt my physical hand because it was blue and it glowed, I think I was looking at my astral body.

I looked around my room and saw it in it's astral form. It was very real. It's hard to imagine that the brain can make me see through my eyelids like this. So I think there really is something on the other side, but I think of it as different frequencies and not some magical dimension of the unicorns and fairies.

Hey. Thanks for the reply. I don't want to doubt you or upset you. But I've had similar things happen in lucid dreams. I roll out of my body and move around my room. I can see through my eyelids in normal dreams sometimes or lucid dreams .But it's never as real as this reality and I don't think it's astral projection(in my case). It always feels dull or fake and my awareness decreases after some time. Maybe dreams are spiritual and your spirit leaves the body. But it could also be flashing images in your brain. I really don't know. Sometimes when I wake up from a dream or lucid dream I will see a figure in my room that fades away as I wake up. I think it's a static image created by my brain.


Is there anything else that convinces you? Did it feel ultra real? Were you fully aware? Can you have your family member draw a number in the triple digits on a board in a different room at night then try to see it when you project? Maybe a few second would be enough(few being 20?)


I'm really not trying to dismiss you or make you upset. I'm just genuinely curious. I've heard a lot about people thinking it's astral travel when it is probably just a lucid dream. But technically it's possible that dreams and astral travel(if it exists-from my perspective) are 2 sides of the same coin.


Thanks again.

 

[Majin K.]

so this girl talks about what she thinks about suicide and afterlife. her opinion has weight because she travels out of body and talks to people who commited suicided, you can choose to believe that or not but i have had out of body travels myself and know its real, and many people in the out of body field tells the same thing about the afterlife. basically theres an afterlife and its good, and suicide is not going to send you to hell and that its just something made up by archons to scare us into staying here on earth so they can continue using us as their slaves.

Such bullshit.

 

[sellfish]

Such bullshit.

I think I totally agree with you

 

[Pan]

I agree; it is nonsense, particularly the garbage about the archons.

 

[deflagrat]

I agree; it is nonsense, particularly the garbage about the archons.

People like this, including people who writes books about some "amazing afterlife full of souls filled with love for eachother" prey on people who believe this kind of crap and take money from them in exchange for "information" about their private life as an "eternal being". I know because back when I was just as naive I thought about it too, and they had me ALMOST convinced about that nonsense. It's when you start to think about it that you realize it's just a scam. The brain makes up stories when it's in hypnosis, and it's all an elaborated story just like any dream. People are desperate, both the victims and the scammers, and when both people meet, that only spells disaster for the victim, even if they are somehow "relieved" of their problem, it's like taking a placebo pill.

 

[Jumper Geo]

Interesting video , can you describe the afterlife for us and have you met people who have died wether it be natural death or suicide and also , did they appear in a physical body ? Did you see fields / countryside or perhaps cities when you experience out of body travels ?
Archons are demonic and only a hop skip and jump from Earth's realm though some claim that Archons are actually "grey's" also known as Reptillians .
Dualism ; dark and light , are there no protective entities out there to combat these Archons or could it be that you are on your own , fight or flight scenario ?

Don't trust no one in life and no one in death, don't exactly sound like heaven or paradise. I'm sure there's nothing to fear if there is an afterlife we came from there, we are just returning.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

I think it means spirits such as spirit guides or higher ups. Not Gods. Some people believe spirits can mask their identity and try to make you feel comfortable(for evil reasons or not). A spirit guide(spirit assigned to you while you're in a human body..perhaps a friend)for example may appear as Jesus or a family member(whichever would make you feel most comfortable).



This is based on my research. I myself haven't had any spiritual experiences. That's why I'm so curious if these are lucid dreams or truly obe. Even out of body experiences dont prove spirits exist. It could be the brain is telepathic. Who knows?

There isn't significant evidence of afterlives or outer body experiences. I don't buy it. This gals opinion carries zero weight as personal experience may be evidence to that person, isn't evidence to anyone else. Hell falls under the same scrutiny. The only evidence seems to point that once the brain is completely dead, conciousness ceases entirely.

 

[theguineapigking]

There isn't significant evidence of afterlives or outer body experiences. I don't buy it. This gals opinion carries zero weight as personal experience may be evidence to that person, isn't evidence to anyone else. Hell falls under the same scrutiny. The only evidence seems to point that once the brain is completely dead, conciousness ceases entirely.

Chances are high that she's delusional.

I am Simply open to the idea of anything being possible. The astral world sounds more logical than religion.

I think the op just had a lucid dream. It is impossible to know if something is real or not when someone else tells you. Even if you yourself have the experience,it could just be a vivid dream or lucid dream.


We are all individuals. There is no way to know for sure anyone else is real outside of one's own mind. Awareness is very low in humanity. We are only consciously aware of our existence. Everything and everyone else we perceive is external. This also contributes to a fear of mine called solipsism. So it's very true that nobody can prove it to you. Even if someone verifies information by traveling into another room and reading a number that someone else wrote down, it still doesn't prove spirits exist. It could just be telepathy rather than spiritual.

There's no way to know for sure what comes after, if anything. It's possible that dreams project the consciousness to a low awareness reality. It's also possible that it's flashes of light and the brain sends and receives signals that resemble the ones it receives from your physical body.


But yeah. Every time you press someone for details, they dodge answering. The girl in the video was going on about spirit tricksters without talking about how she knew it was real vs a lucid dream.

 

[Jumper Geo]

There isn't significant evidence of afterlives or outer body experiences. I don't buy it. This gals opinion carries zero weight as personal experience may be evidence to that person, isn't evidence to anyone else. Hell falls under the same scrutiny. The only evidence seems to point that once the brain is completely dead, conciousness ceases entirely.

Maybe there's sod all but I like these two NDE cases because you get to hear from the surgeons who are shocked as they confirm they must have been floating above them.



The link below with Ryan just intrigues me, how could he have known so much about his life as it wasn't available on the internet.



Just hope it's not groundhog day or happy death day.

REPLY

 

[Broken Chimera]

I know her. She usually does videos with Rich (who does archon agreement revocation for a fee. Lol). I used to listen years ago but both of them come off as BS pushers. I'm not attacking what anyone here believes, just don't let anyone claiming they have the truth scam you.

There isn't significant evidence of afterlives or outer body experiences. I don't buy it. This gals opinion carries zero weight as personal experience may be evidence to that person, isn't evidence to anyone else. Hell falls under the same scrutiny. The only evidence seems to point that once the brain is completely dead, conciousness ceases entirely.

There's only one hell and we're living in it.

 

[Rider66]

Okay, these are just my views and my views only so feel free to reject them :)

My personal opinion is you don't stop existing when you die. I don't believe every death experience is exactly the same but for the vast majority you do go to a white light. Those that do not go to a white light are usually Earth bound but that is temporary (temporary could mean centuries, though lol). Every Earth spirit eventually goes to the white light, tho.

That demon thing apparition that pretended to be a dead relative could theoretically happen, but that is a very, very rare experience, though, from what I've read. Usually when a soul dies in a traumatic fashion, they receive immense amounts of healing upon arrival once they enter the white light. You don't get that demon thing.

Again, these are my views and my views only, so feel free to reject, accept, or just take it with a grain of salt.

How do you know this?

 

[Imustbefree]

How do you know this?

I don't know this for a fact. I could be wrong. But I formed these opinions based on reading spiritual books, spiritual blogs, my own discernment, and my own intuition. I cannot prove these views empirically, though. Nor is it my intention to impose my views. These are just my opinions. If these views don't vibe with you, feel free to reject them. :)