Venting I honestly don't think pro-lifers care if we live or die

[slowdance]

They only want us to live because it causes maximal suffering. Notice how cops are always killing innocent people but they're the ones sent in when someone is having a mental health crisis. If you want to live, they kill you. If you want to die, they keep you alive. Whatever tortures you the most and goes against what you would choose for yourself is the thing they most want to force on you. As long as you're suffering, they win.

 

[GoSan1]

Pro-lifer see life as the ultimate gift, that we HAVE to cherish and protect by all costs! There are no bad lives but only bad times! I mean 30 years of hardship for some people on this forum is nothing but a hard time! Things will get better!

But I was the same when I was younger, wanted to help. But I was foolish, and after being inflicted 5+ years of pure pain, hatred, and loneliness, I realized nothing will get better. As for cops, that's mainly an American thing I think, as in Germany cops arent even allowed to pull up their guns in some cases lmao

 

[slowdance]

Pro-lifer see life as the ultimate gift, that we HAVE to cherish and protect by all costs! There are no bad lives but only bad times! I mean 30 years of hardship for some people on this forum is nothing but a hard time! Things will get better!

But I was the same when I was younger, wanted to help. But I was foolish, and after being inflicted 5+ years of pure pain, hatred, and loneliness, I realized nothing will get better. As for cops, that's mainly an American thing I think, as in Germany cops arent even allowed to pull up their guns in some cases lmao

Life as a gift is just something they say. They know that life is suffering. They just want people who "deserve" it more than them to suffer more. Everything they say about hope is utter gibberish and they know it. They're just blurting out whatever they can to justify whatever control they can hang on to. "Life as a gift" is a sick joke to rub salt in the wounds. People are more than willing to stand idly by when people die so long as those people want to live. As soon as you try to take your own power, they have to crush it.

 

[yehxlder.666]

That's a crazy perspective. I feel like pro-lifers want you to live at all costs cause as long as you're alive, you'll produce more, consume more, WORK more. They just want to suck you dry, not really caring about you at all. Maybe there's also some personal belief involved, like religious stuff, so they might see it as disrespectful to throw your life away?

 

[LunarEc]

Suicide in itself causes a lot of damage to the economy. The government doesn't give two shits about you or anyone. You die, they'll lose money, how so? well you wouldn't be slaving away at some desk for some multi-millionaire.

 

[tartvinegar]

whether someone wants to live or die, should be their own decision. And everyone deserves the right to a peaceful, painless death

 

[slowdance]

That's a crazy perspective. I feel like pro-lifers want you to live at all costs cause as long as you're alive, you'll produce more, consume more, WORK more. They just want to suck you dry, not really caring about you at all. Maybe there's also some personal belief involved, like religious stuff, so they might see it as disrespectful to throw your life away?

If you're too disabled to work, then they treat you as a burden on society. You can't work, you can't produce, all you can do is "drain the system". The only thing you're good for is being weaker and more vulnerable and easier to abuse. The religious stuff is just your will defying god's will, which is to punish you eternally of course

 

[OminousDarkness]

Pro-lifers can piss off. I hate them. They are truly disgusting people.

 

[DevonBostick'sAss]

Many pro-lifers oppose suicide because they believe every life has value and want to help people find hope and healing. Their stance often comes from care, not indifference, and many advocate for better mental health resources and support systems to prevent suicide.
I dont think it has anything to do with the economy or work status etc like others said in the comment section. It's just that they don't get it. They think everything can be fixed because they think "if we can they can"
They haven't been through the same thing some of us have been through / even if they did they feel different or think different and that's why they cant understand why would someone choose suicide over life.
Everyone has different lives and everything has different impacts on others. One must understand that and accept that. Pro- lifers cant.

 

[steppenwolf]

Of course pro-lifers don't care that their insistence that life is precious maximizes the suffering of suicidal people. They only care about conforming to being part of their pro-life hobby because it makes them feel like better people than they actually are. But no one outside of the hobby buys it, even if they're not suicidal.

Front line beat cops see every kind of depravity that people do and its consequences, and its not their role to engage with it intellectually or emotionally or else they might become suicidal themselves. Their role is only to maintain some semblance of law and order and keep the public away from the bloodstains whilst someone scrubs them out. Whether someone suffers or not as a result is of no concern to them either way unless law and order is threatened e.g. if someone tries to abuse armed police as a mechanism of suicide.

No one is trying to maximize your suffering. They're just entirely oblivious to it, and don't care if what they do maximizes it.

 

[needthebus]

They only want us to live because it causes maximal suffering. Notice how cops are always killing innocent people but they're the ones sent in when someone is having a mental health crisis. If you want to live, they kill you. If you want to die, they keep you alive. Whatever tortures you the most and goes against what you would choose for yourself is the thing they most want to force on you. As long as you're suffering, they win.

This is always about religion.

People who are religious believe in a PERFECT god that never makes mistakes.

So that means if you are miserable, genetically different, in physical pain, autistic, without a partner, or LGBT, then somehow either you've sinned OR you actually should happy/normal because god intended it and he's perfect.

Our unhappiness wrecks their religious delusions.

That's why they are against abortion, because even sick fetuses who will be doomed to suffer MUST live because god couldn't possibly fuck up, that's why they are against assisted suicide, because if god had wanted someone dead, it would have already happened.

The ultra rich in society control the stupid and poor through religion and force, and without religion they couldn't exploit them the same way. Religion allows the ultra rich to live nice lives. The bulk of religion is whatever most people would want to believe, even if it's not true and makes no sense. The regular masses can't accept reality and the cruelty of nature and need the fantasy, want the fantasy, of religion.


(random shoutout to @nogods4me who has temporarily loaned me his gods, who have helped me to write this reply.)

 

[Forever Sleep]

The weirder thing is, suicide rates are one of the highest amongst police. I thought that when they came round for a welfare check during the whole IC SN thing. As in- you're more statistically likely to do it than me!

To be fair, I think some of the pro-lifers genuinely do care. The more compassionate ones likely would like to see us leading happy lives, rather than dying. What they may not accept though is that some people are very unlikely to live a happy life. It seems highly possible some will only suffer if they keep living.

 

[FuneralCry]

I just see so much cruelty in how the option to peacefully cease existing is denied with suffering seen as to force and prolong no matter what even know this existence was imposed in the first place, more than anything I wish I was never burdened with this existence, I'll always find it so torturous to suffer in this cruel existence.

 

[avalonisburning]

Nope. I'll even go so far as to say it's more cynical and nihilistic than wanting to maximize your suffering, because that would imply that they care about what you think and feel beyond the theater of prevention.

Generally, it's all about the preventers doing whatever they can to let themselves off the hook and give themselves permission to not feel guilty; to not deeply question or closely examine the events leading up to the moment, and why they believe the things they do about existence and the value of life; to not have to possibly question or criticize the structures and systems that bring people to the point of wanting to kill themselves in the first place beyond superficial fist-shaking. It's not enough that you live, but you have to want to live too, and express gratitude for having been saved. That way they can feel validated that they've done the right thing, and once they've taken that from you? "Fuck you, we don't want to see you. Nobody wants to hear you complain."