I'm not sure which one to take. I'm leaning more torward the azide as it's more fatal.
I just need to figure out how much to take.
I just need to figure out how much to take.
I would prefer SN it's just more peacefull, but since you have both you know most of this stuff.
SN is much more peaceful tbh, SA is brutal as hell; and I heard that there's a chance of endangering other people.
How is it more peaceful? Im
Curious. I'm just scared the sodium nitrite. Won't work or something.
Curious. I'm just scared the sodium nitrite. Won't work or something.
Just read ppeh and the azide/SN megathread.
Why should SN not work?
Why should SN not work?
I dinno. I just have a feeling. How is n more peaceful?
How is an more peaceful?
How is an more peaceful?
N is the best one of this three. Just read the ppeh the rate every method.
Ashpac
Lost and always will be.
- Jul 22, 2018
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SA if youre certain to end it. SN for more of a peaceful way than SA.
I don't understand how sn is more peaceful than sa. Can come one explain?
Right maybe I can hold off and get the n. I'm just ready to go now.
Right maybe I can hold off and get the n. I'm just ready to go now.
Meretlein
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- Feb 15, 2019
- 1,199
Sodium azide, sodium cyanide, and potassium cyanide are mitochondrial poisons. They inhibit production of ATP and this causes your cells to be starved of oxygen. You will feel yourself suffocating.
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Got. Ya. So sodium nitrite diesnt do that? Maybe I could try to get Nembutal. But what's the point if I'm ginna die anyway. Isn't it fast acting?
Meretlein
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- Feb 15, 2019
- 1,199
Sodium nitrite turns normal hemoglobin (what caries oxygen around your body) into methemoglobin. This means your brain is not getting any oxygen and you will lose consciousness and die. You would not feel yourself suffocating. Nembutal is very quick and painless so it's considered the gold standard for euthanasia. Nembutal is my method.
GeorgeJL
Enlightened
- Mar 7, 2019
- 1,621
Sodium Nitrite is more peaceful according to the PPH.
Maybe I can hold out fir Nembutal next month. Or just try sodium nitrite. I guess Nembutal is good because you loose conciousness first
GeorgeJL
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- Mar 7, 2019
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No need to "try" SN. It will work if you have at least 8 hours of time to yourself which is easily accoplished by going to a motel and putting a do not disturb sign on the door. Or you can go camping with a tent.
Why you order all this stuff if you don't know how it works? You lose conciousness with SN too, but it takes more time and you may feel some headache or other pain before.
I was looking it up. Now I just gotta figure out which one I will do. I have that tome to myself. Does it really take 8 hours? With sn. How much will I need? I don't have a scale so how can I measure grams
i thought from people reporting that u need 30 mins after ingestion SN to pass away?
GeorgeJL
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- Mar 7, 2019
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Yeah that is the general rule of thumb but there are a few cases or one case where it took up to 8 hours.
where do u find that?
if u see on the forum here people who practically use it are gone in 30 mins
GeorgeJL
Enlightened
- Mar 7, 2019
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Both are case studies or anecdotes. And both are probably true. They are not mutually exclusive.
Yes the general rule is likely that most people die in 30 minutes, but in some people that likely have a genetic variance can take up to 8 hours to die. I don't see the conflict. It's not like you have some great source that is contradicting what I am pointing out, like some meta-analysis study that cross culturally studied multipule double bind placebo controlled studies around the world. LOL come on man of course I have some critical thinking, and apparently some intelligence with some humor too. LOL
not thinking critically enough brought me to this position
how can some people die in 30 min while others in 8 hours?
does it make sense to u?
to me it doesnt
and im more to believe people who report live here than a case study that also might be fake
GeorgeJL
Enlightened
- Mar 7, 2019
- 1,621
Yes it does make sense to me. Because I know that some people are very different genetically speaking than others. That is why some people have "rare side effects" from certain medications. If you were to think critically you should ask what is the difference between believing something someone typed on the forum versus something someone typed on the suicide wiki. The answer is there is no difference, because they both are just anecdotes and they don't come from an authoritative study done by some university. They are all just anecdotes, an anecdote is "a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person."
The same is true for Nembutal too. Most people die a few hours after ingestion, but a few people can up to 12 hours. This is because everyone's genetics are different. That doesn't mean that it works the same for every method. Like your probably not going to get that much variance for like inert gas, but even still some people respond very differently to some drugs. I hope that helps you understand this better. I think what could help you understand critical thinking better could be for you to try to look at the world in a much more nuanced way. Nuanced means "a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound." What can help with all this is doubt. The heart of critical thinking and even nuance is doubt. Meaning don't just take things at face value. Anyway I hope that helps you understand this.
- Time to death after oral ingestion of 10-12 grams pentobarbital (261 cases)
| Time To Death | Number of people/percentages |
|---|---|
| 0-15 minutes | 70 people (27%) |
| 16-30 minutes | 115 (44%) |
| 30-60 minutes | 44 (17%) |
| 1-2 hours | 11 (4%) |
| 2-12 hours | 20 (8%) |
| > 12 hours | 1 (0.4%) |
| Total | 261 (100%) |
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