Venting I hate how religious people tell people who are considering suicide that they will go to hell

[Pessimist]

"Your life was so bad that you decided to commit suicide? Great, now you will be sent to hell to burn and suffer forever".

That's so stupid and extremely evil. And then they say that God is good.

 

[Gangrel]

basically the bible was made to control the people, if people were allowed to kill themselves no matter how horrible their lifes were they would have no servants or lower class to control

 

[soonatpeace777888]

Just tell them they are retarded for believing in such a thing. End of story. I thought Jewish people didn't really believe in hell, though? Maybe I'm mistaken.

 

[Pessimist]

Just tell them they are retarded for believing in such a thing. End of story. I thought Jewish people didn't really believe in hell, though? Maybe I'm mistaken.

They believe in hell, it's just more of a spiritual thing in Judaism (your soul experiences endless regret). I think the punishment is temporary. But I'm talking about Christians and Muslims too.

 

[Marco77]

It is important for those who believe in prolonged life.

 

[Olek Messier 87]

I've never understood why non-religious people seem so concerned about who gets sent to hell or heaven according to a religion they therefore don't believe in.

 

[justamirror]

religion is a story made by humans - words. I have came across and studied many many different religions and philosophies. I cannot prescribe to any of them I simply call myself a seeker.

Catholicism, Christianity etc.. are some of the most obviously bullshit ones out there. The amount of murder and racism that built it is astounding. I'm not sure how people can even get into it without being indoctrinated from a young age. All you gotta do is research the history and you will be disgusted. Buddhism is one of the ones that are the most sane and even old Zen Buddhism is some pretty hardcore shit and was wayyyy out there lol.

Catholicism, Christianity, and Eastern Orthodox are all based upon a monarchical structure (like the political/societal structure of the time? how do people not see this) its actually evil. Catholicism is obviously the worse the pope is straight up a king and the pyramid structure goes down from there. I believe religion was created to be used as the ultimate tool to have authority - even kings and queens had to kneel and kiss the hand its wild. It was so very corrupt and evil - these evils still exist today but in a much more passive way i.e. the manipulation it still has over people.

Its all based on stories written many many years ago for an entirely different type of people. These religions offer "relief" from the everyday struggle of the lower class (majority ESPECIALLY back then) a way to ease the mind with words and "belief" and offered the same for the nobility. It's fake lol a tool used to manipulate and guide the cattle. We are the cattle.

I personally cannot settle on literally anything as fact about life, death, the universe etc. .... I don't think I have the capability. All I know is what has been passed down to me and spread to me (thanks internet). These thoughts were all inside peoples heads - the most unreliable source. We still don't even understand consciousness or the emergence of life from the lifeless, how can I really believe I know some crazy ass shit about a god and what happens before life or after death. There were THOUSANDS of years we existed before language and written history its nuts to think of and we know jackshit about anything.

 

[Sgrodolo]

Honestly there are as many interpretations of the afterlife and God's judgment as there are christians, the idea of Hell as this fiery place of eternal suffering isn't even that old, I know the Christian doctrine forbids suicude because you're wasting the gift of life etc but as far as I know you have to violate one of the 10 commandments to get to hell so I wouldn't worry about it
Just I wish people like that who never actually struggled with suicidal ideations would just stfu instead of talking about things they clearly don't understand

 

[SilentSadness]

Yes it's very cultish to me, I think it gives people a power trip to say others are going to burn for eternity. As always, the goal is to push others down and raise oneself up. I think anyone who says that is always to be avoided if possible because they will never act in good faith.

 

[FireFox]

The problem with the bible is that it was written at a time to reflect social attitudes and behaviours.

Things like mental illness and suicide people in biblical times did not understand what these things were because medical science was not advanced.

This is why Religion should not be used as a guide to dictate how people in society should live.

Honestly there are as many interpretations of the afterlife and God's judgment as there are christians, the idea of Hell as this fiery place of eternal suffering isn't even that old, I know the Christian doctrine forbids suicude because you're wasting the gift of life etc but as far as I know you have to violate one of the 10 commandments to get to hell so I wouldn't worry about it
Just I wish people like that who never actually struggled with suicidal ideations would just stfu instead of talking about things they clearly don't understand

@Sgrodolo I was raised to believe suicide is a selfish sin and I always thought people who killed themselves were selfish especially if they were parents to children or had loving families

Only when I developed depression and suicidal thoughts at 21 I finally began to understand how a person can 1 day go into their houses and hang themselves or throw themselves in front of a train or take that fatal overdose.

Being suicidal for me I feel like my mind is a burning building I want to get out of but just can't. Absolutely nothing gives me relief from all the emotional torment I feel.

As time has gone on I realise now Life is not for me. Some of us are not made for living. If life was for me things in my life would have worked out and not constantly going wrong all the time.

 

[Ffaxanadu]

"Your life was so bad that you decided to commit suicide? Great, now you will be sent to hell to burn and suffer forever".
[...]

In fact, nowhere in the Old Testament, in the Gospels, or in the Koran is written something about suicides; except Judas and King Saul.

So basically the idea that suicides go to hell is something that has been deduced by the clergy, based on the theme of the holiness of life.

Based only on the Holy Scriptures, there is no prohibition or prescription of punishment in the afterlife.

This applies to Abrahamic religions. I don't know if suicide is expressly prohibited in other religions.

It must also be said that Dante's "Divine Comedy" helped create the belief that suicides would end in Hell. (See the seventh song of "Hell". )

But according to the Divine Comedy there would also be Purgatory, which instead exists neither in the Old Testament, nor in the Gospels, nor in the Koran.

Evidently certain ideas are useful for the clergy to better manage the masses of the faithful.

 

[hopeless302]

Suicide is the ultimate refutation of whatever supreme deity a religious person believes in. You're basically saying that their god is either unwilling or unable to fix your problems, and they can't handle that.

 

[Sgrodolo]

The problem with the bible is that it was written at a time to reflect social attitudes and behaviours.

Things like mental illness and suicide people in biblical times did not understand what these things were because medical science was not advanced.

This is why Religion should not be used as a guide to dictate how people in society should live.

@Sgrodolo I was raised to believe suicide is a selfish sin and I always thought people who killed themselves were selfish especially if they were parents to children or had loving families

Only when I developed depression and suicidal thoughts at 21 I finally began to understand how a person can 1 day go into their houses and hang themselves or throw themselves in front of a train or take that fatal overdose.

Being suicidal for me I feel like my mind is a burning building I want to get out of but just can't. Absolutely nothing gives me relief from all the emotional torment I feel.

As time has gone on I realise now Life is not for me. Some of us are not made for living. If life was for me things in my life would have worked out and not constantly going wrong all the time.

yeah exact same for me, I guess unless you're in it you can't really get how it feels like

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

The entire concept of "suffering forever" does not make much sense. How would that even work in practice? If there even was a mind to register the suffering, it would probably got either used to it or go absolutely crazy using some kind of a defense mechanism and no longer register any suffering after a finite time. If someone was to be punished, it certainly would not work forever.

Also, if a person decided to die themselves because of unbearable suffering, I highly doubt it should be considered an act of evil worthy of visiting Hell. Even if there existed something remotely similar to Hell, it would be reserved for for the most vile individuals who actually genuinely hurt others.

If someone told me anything like what was mentioned in the first post it would not move with me a bit because none of that seems to be true at all.

 

[FireFox]

yeah exact same for me, I guess unless you're in it you can't really get how it feels like

@Sgrodolo I have suffered from passive suicidal ideation since 21 years old and at 25 in 2022 my life was finally getting better and I really thought I could have a life outside of being suicidal. If NONE of my problems happened last year I was heading for the best years of my life and full recovery. I really tried my best to give myself a good life but last year just broke me.

Last year December passive suicidal developed into active. Last year December everyone was asleep and I was so furious about everything going wrong this year and deeply missing the good times of 2022. It finally became too much because all I could think about was overdosing. In my head all thought was " if I take all these pills all this ends today no more pain ever again," I felt so trapped all by these feelings which have tormented me and couldn't see the pain ever going away. I believed I will never again in my life I will have those great times like I had in 2022. I couldn't see myself ever getting over the man I loved so deeply and the heartbreak was not going away no matter what I did to get over him.

The next couple of days these thoughts became so intense and the only thing that stopped me was the fear of hospitalisation over a failed suicide attempt or the pain on my family if I did succeed.

I now understand how a person can one day decide to kill themselves because the end of last year I was in my living room planning to kill myself.

 

[idontgiveadvicehere]

Honestly there are as many interpretations of the afterlife and God's judgment as there are christians, the idea of Hell as this fiery place of eternal suffering isn't even that old, I know the Christian doctrine forbids suicude because you're wasting the gift of life etc but as far as I know you have to violate one of the 10 commandments to get to hell so I wouldn't worry about it
Just I wish people like that who never actually struggled with suicidal ideations would just stfu instead of talking about things they clearly don't understand

I've been Christian almost my whole life and I've never heard of "violate 1 of the 10 commandments = Hell." I think it's more of a lack of repentence, and a continuing disdain for God and continually not wanting His mercy. For Catholicism, look up "Mortal Sins" requirements on Wikipedia or smth. For non-Catholic Christians, it's a bit different and varies by denomination, for example some believe that once you are Saved, you are always Saved. And some (Universalists) even believe that everyone, even the worst people, will go through purgatory and then go to Heaven. I'm still figuring out what to believe.

 

[kyhoti]

I used to think this same way. Then I found faith, by the grace of God. It doesn't mean that I'm not CTB, it just means I believe I know what happens after.

 

[Sgrodolo]

I've been Christian almost my whole life and I've never heard of "violate 1 of the 10 commandments = Hell." I think it's more of a lack of repentence, and a continuing disdain for God and continually not wanting His mercy. For Catholicism, look up "Mortal Sins" requirements on Wikipedia or smth. For non-Catholic Christians, it's a bit different and varies by denomination, for example some believe that once you are Saved, you are always Saved. And some (Universalists) even believe that everyone, even the worst people, will go through purgatory and then go to Heaven. I'm still figuring out what to believe.

Yeah I know it's not just 'violate a commandment=death', you also have to do it knowingly (so you're not going to hell if you stole a Yu-Gi-Oh card when you were 9 because you weren't entirely conscious about it being wrong) and you also have to not repent at all for entire life
I know some protestants have concepts like the Sola Fide or the Double Predestination but they're mostly interpretations that have no substantial base in the scriptures
I'm not really religious myself but it's definitely comforting to imagine a better afterlife so there's that

 

[TakeMeToHeaven]

i'm familiar with hell

i'm already living in it

 

[Sgrodolo]

@Sgrodolo I have suffered from passive suicidal ideation since 21 years old and at 25 in 2022 my life was finally getting better and I really thought I could have a life outside of being suicidal. If NONE of my problems happened last year I was heading for the best years of my life and full recovery. I really tried my best to give myself a good life but last year just broke me.

Last year December passive suicidal developed into active. Last year December everyone was asleep and I was so furious about everything going wrong this year and deeply missing the good times of 2022. It finally became too much because all I could think about was overdosing. In my head all thought was " if I take all these pills all this ends today no more pain ever again," I felt so trapped all by these feelings which have tormented me and couldn't see the pain ever going away. I believed I will never again in my life I will have those great times like I had in 2022. I couldn't see myself ever getting over the man I loved so deeply and the heartbreak was not going away no matter what I did to get over him.

The next couple of days these thoughts became so intense and the only thing that stopped me was the fear of hospitalisation over a failed suicide attempt or the pain on my family if I did succeed.

I now understand how a person can one day decide to kill themselves because the end of last year I was in my living room planning to kill myself.

Yeah I know what you mean, those two years at uni absolutely broke me
My breakup kick-started my insomnia and anxiety problems and I've always been somewhat passively suicidal as far as I remember but uni definitely pushed me well over the edge

 

[hopscotch]

christians are just like that. ive been told i was gonna go to hell by all my christian friends for not believing since i was like. 8. thank god i somehow already became a firm atheist by then because i probably would have been messed up forever if i took it to heart. anyway pay them no mind a lot of them will decree people doomed to hell for being anything other than exactly what they themselves are

 

[Pessimist]

christians are just like that. ive been told i was gonna go to hell by all my christian friends for not believing since i was like. 8. thank god i somehow already became a firm atheist by then because i probably would have been messed up forever if i took it to heart. anyway pay them no mind a lot of them will decree people doomed to hell for being anything other than exactly what they themselves are

I think that's why they stay Christian. They are afraid of the punishment.

 

[brokeandbroken]

"Your life was so bad that you decided to commit suicide? Great, now you will be sent to hell to burn and suffer forever".

That's so stupid and extremely evil. And then they say that God is good.

I mean the bible doesn't even say that. My biggest gripe is that most are just greedy hypocritical bastards.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Do a Freddy Mercury: 'Think of all the interesting people you'd meet in hell.'



Besides- I'd ask them whether they think I've done enough. Whether they think any of us have done enough to make it to heaven if we die naturally. What makes them think I'm a good enough person without committing suicide to get there?!! How flattering they think I currently qualify for heaven.

If it's because I can still repent and find God or whatever. Then, I'd say- God's no fool surely? I can't pretend to like them! They'll see through that. Plus- if God would rather share the company of (so called) repentant murderers, rapists, child molesters etc. just because they belong to the fan club rather than fairly bland atheists who've really not done a whole lot wrong then- their moral compass defies belief. Why would you want to be lead by someone like that?

Maybe it's foolish but I'd like to think I could stand up for my own principles if there is a God. Even if that meant a lot more suffering. Sorry but- if there is a God, I actively hate a lot of the stuff they've done. Why would I want to be in another world they've created? I guess they created hell too but, maybe they won't be running it.

Maybe Lucifer will be more reasonable. Poor guy really- he gets sent to the underworld forever for having a minor disagreement with God. Why do people think heaven would even be all that great if God is so prickly and easily offended? It would be like living with a narcissist (again.) Forever walking on egg shells- afraid of their response if you happen to displease them.

Of course, if it came to it, I'd likely beg for forgiveness. I don't like pain. It's all pretty sadistic though- right? Why do people even see God as a teacher? Sent to hell forever because of some misdemeanor. What teacher stands a child in the corner or makes them write lines for the entire rest of their life?!! How can they learn from a punishment if the punishment never ends? Nah, either our religions are true and it truly is as f*cked up as all that or, hopefully, our religions are just stories to scare people into compliance.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

This shows me that religion is clearly man made. Why would an all powerful creator care so much about some of their creations (and 'coincidentally' human creation) killing themselves? However, we do know that humans care a lot about preventing suicide as they want people alive for as long as possible.

Not to mention that a religious cop out answer for why a suicidal person shouldn't kill themselves despite the adversity and challenges within their life is because that "life is a test". I also think that this argument is bullshit as I don't see test in this. This argument stems from how humans believe that every suicidal person will be suicidal transiently and will eventually recover if they try hard enough. People can't acknowledge that some suicidal people will be suicidal until they die with no way of recovery. It really baffles me at how religion is still a thing in 2024 when looking at religious responses really proves that religion is man made and is made by humans for humans

 

[hhttt25]

I agree.I hate them toó.