Venting I don't wont to work or study.

[fox_wannabe]

I don't want to study or work
because I do not see reasons to sustain myself.

I am just inside and imprisoned in a fat, wet, whining pulp of grey matter that sits inside even shittier meatsuit. I need to eat piss and shit everyday, communicate with other self sustaining robots and work for them. I am imprisoned in this lower realm with no chance of real change or escape without having to destroy my prison. My parents fucked and now I have to sustain myself, find reason to live, find meaning to my life, work, study, suffer, seek pleasure. Bullshit.

And I have to live in decaying, degenerate society. Things that are good are not guaranteed, only shown as reward, so you think there is something worth sticking around for. Pussy, money, good food, friends. I wouldn't need all of that things. It is just now that I have to play along or suffer. There in no real freedom here. There is no greater goal here, and god is not here. People do not get that. When I look at civilization and large all I see is aggressive tumor on the surface of earth, cities growing like mold on apples, all the same, uniformal, ugly, full of people who just do not reflect and only mindlessly reproduce and act in a trance. I was there in ugliest of places where humans live on top of each other in souless blocks. Commie blocks can be written down as one of the reasons for my suicide.

I will to be dead and never born again. To go into woods and be gone and not be disturbed as I die. I am sick of this shit and I will never be in a body again. This world shall perish, not because I am sad, but because people deny their misery. Life is too risky game.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

I wish I was born a century or two later when we don't have to do any work anymore and instead we're free. I hope that when I die I get to be reborn in that future. Perhaps I'm already living in that world and this life is just a simulation I put myself in for fun to experience all the negative things my true self forgot about long time ago.

 

[fox_wannabe]

I wish I was born a century or two later when we don't have to do any work anymore and instead we're free. I hope that when I die I get to be reborn in that future.

Please do not. I ma free from work but I am still suffering. Maybe we just die and that is it.

Besides there is always somebody who has to do all the work. There are always animals who die so you can eat them. Besides not having a body is biggest pleasure of them all. That is what people feel when they leave the body during NDEs and monks who lose any body sensation during meditation. Even having body is a heavy burden. Having mind is even greater. Having soul and believing in karma or destiny is the greatest.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

Please do not. I ma free but I am still suffering.

Not sure if I understand. How are you free if you're forced to work or study? How are you free in the world of scarcity? You're also bound by time. The future I'm dreaming of, has none of these issues.

Maybe we just die and that is it.

No matter how hard I think about it, that doesn't seem like a very likely scenario. That's because we're not a soul with a unique ID assigned to it by the ruler of the Universe who erases the said soul from the database of the Universe once he determines that we died in the objective sense. We're much more dispersed than that and we're continuous with the entire Universe. Waves on the ocean is a nice analogy.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

Maybe I'm being simplistic but if there was more love in the world and more fairness, none of that would matter, I don't think. Kinda like drowning a turd in sprinkles until you can't see or smell it anymore.

 

[Hurt]

When you are depressed everything becomes more difficult to do. I understand. Sometimes I am surprised that I manage to wake up and going to work or study.

 

[Molded foundation]

If I worked at my old job still, I would've surely an hero'd.

 

[Snake of Eden]

I studied enough and it all went to waste. I dont want to work either. Any job I will get will pay very low salary anyway so why bother when I dont have any goals or ambitions. It is all a waste of effort which I rather use towards something else or not use it at all

 

[Darkover]

Perhaps I'm already living in that world and this life is just a simulation

mathematics can't create heat or cold or happiness pain love emotions smell taste , i think you'll find this place is real that we live in a chemical soup, that's not to say mathematics isn't a fundamental.part of the universe no doubt maths can create super intelligent machines and alot more beside, i i love programming and learn new things but i don't want to have to work for a living i just want to be free to work and learn things at my own rate and maybe get rich from the process

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not want anything to do with life, I simply do not want to participate in it. Working is just being a slave to society. Jobs can be stressful and can send people into despair. The way I see it, we were all perfectly fine not existing until we were forced to live. All I want is to be nothing. Existence is a horrible thing as there is unlimited potential for suffering.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'm in the exact same boat although I have my degree already. People keep telling me that getting a job will make me feel less depressed but considering the types of jobs out there that literally makes no sense. I'm not some insane masochist who gets pleasure out of intentionally putting myself into situations that will stress me out.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

mathematics can't create heat or cold or happiness pain love emotions smell taste , i think you'll find this place is real that we live in a chemical soup, that's not to say mathematics isn't a fundamental.part of the universe no doubt maths can create super intelligent machines and alot more beside

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

There is nothing in the laws of physics that prevents creation of a fully immersive virtual world. It should also be possible to temporarily limit someone's memories and or perception. Dreams exist after all. Imagine that we could make someone dream a dream that lasts decades.

In other words, what I'm talking about is possible. It's possible even from within our Universe, let alone from within a hypothetical wider, more real Universe.

 

[fox_wannabe]

Not sure if I understand. How are you free if you're forced to work or study? How are you free in the world of scarcity? You're also bound by time. The future I'm dreaming of, has none of these issues.

No matter how hard I think about it, that doesn't seem like a very likely scenario. That's because we're not a soul with a unique ID assigned to it by the ruler of the Universe who erases the said soul from the database of the Universe once he determines that we died in the objective sense. We're much more dispersed than that and we're continuous with the entire Universe. Waves on the ocean is a nice analogy.

You are right with the free part. I am not free at all. I meant I have a lot of free time. And yeah being bound by time do suck.

Waves in the ocean is ok analog, but tbh I do not think being in a body is natural. There are no real boundaries between any living being. Only programming created egos, and identities. They are all ego construct and malfunctioning adaptation to the outside environment. We would not be if we weren't told that we are individuals. We have been given names and told we gonna die. That is what created separation and fear. I know I am freak of nature, I am frankenstein, animated dead matter.

But I am also consciousness, which is not an object and is fundamental. What I was referring to was the theory that consciousness is from flesh. I do not buy into that. I am gnostic, i believe world was created by fake jealous, god. I believe we are manipulated to reincarnate by fake angels and guides, because we are like food for them. They can exist because we are consciousness with infinite creative power. World is just a dense thought, trapping us. We created prison for ourselves as well as guards. We just cannot wake up from this insane dream. This is a lot of mental gymnastic. No less than is required to believe that nothing created everything in huge explosion.

ID is good analog for soul. Truth is soul is terrible thing, better to be one with everything and everything to be in one. To see entire universe in a grain of sand, to see entire universe as you, to live and die as one with It, as It. To go back to being child, a little, little baby. Not knowing his name or age. To just be. Now I was born and has to die, but everything that dies is an illusion. True things will always exist. Illusion has to kill itself. I cannot be true here, If I were I would suffer greatly and die because society is build on lies, I cannot be true in general because I earnt word "I" and to associate with it.

Every spiritual person rejects suicide, I will embrace It and be free.

I do not want anything to do with life, I simply do not want to participate in it. Working is just being a slave to society. Jobs can be stressful and can send people into despair. The way I see it, we were all perfectly fine not existing until we were forced to live. All I want is to be nothing. Existence is a horrible thing as there is unlimited potential for suffering.

I am sorry to hear that. I really wish you to be in peace. Please tell me what made you think this way

 

[Darkover]

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

i doubt you'll be able to understand as your not a enginger or computer scientist but be free to have a look

Universal Turing machine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Equations for a falling body - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Halting problem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fibonacci sequence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Inverse-square law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Coulomb's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[fox_wannabe]

Perhaps I'm already living in that world and this life is just a simulation I put myself in for fun to experience all the negative things my true self forgot about long time ago.

mathematics can't create heat or cold or happiness pain love emotions smell taste , i think you'll find this place is real that we live in a chemical soup, that's not to say mathematics isn't a fundamental.part of the universe no doubt maths can create super intelligent machines and alot more beside

We have very limited idea what simulation is. This might be simulation made in higher dimensional plane, or other dimenion in general. We cannot possibly prove existence of those "dimensions". We can experience something similar on psychedelic trips in which we experience other worldly geometry, fractals, 3d fractals, 4d fractals and time. The idea that there is some computer somewhere that simulates this reality is not possible. The fact that wave becomes determined only when conscious 'observer is present points to that. The fact that we have subjective experience is something very unusual for strict material world we live in. Imo we are in Plato's cave, looking at shadows we call matter, laws of physics, colors and tastes. It doesn't make it less real or painful.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

Waves in the ocean is ok analog, but tbh I do not think being in a body is natural. There are no real boundaries between any living being. Only programming created egos, and identities. They are all ego construct and malfunctioning adaptation to the outside environment. We would not be if we weren't told that we are individuals. We have been given names and told we gonna die. That is what created separation and fear. I know I am freak of nature, I am frankenstein, animated dead matter.

I didn't comment on that part of your original post but I think some of the things you're saying are just unreasonable. There are no unnatural things, humans aren't cancer of Earth anymore than trees or water are, and you're not a frankenstein or a freak of nature. And a lot of the things you hate about people won't be there in the future when we evolve more.

But I am also consciousness, which is not an object and is fundamental. What I was referring to was the theory that consciousness is from flesh. I do not buy into that. I am gnostic, i believe world was created by fake jealous, god. I believe we are manipulated to reincarnate by fake angels and guides, because we are like food for them. They can exist because we are consciousness with infinite creative power. World is just a dense thought, trapping us. We created prison for ourselves as well as guards. We just cannot wake up from this insane dream. This is a lot of mental gymnastic. No less than is required to believe that nothing created everything in huge explosion.

I don't think we have good reasons to believe in angels, let alone angels that feed on us.

ID is good analog for soul. Truth is soul is terrible thing, better to be one with everything and everything to be in one. To see entire universe in a grain of sand, to see entire universe as you, to live and die as one with It, as It. To go back to being child, a little, little baby. Not knowing his name or age. To just be. Now I was born and has to die, but everything that dies is an illusion. True things will always exist. Illusion has to kill itself. I cannot be true here, If I were I would suffer greatly and die because society is build on lies, I cannot be true in general because I earnt word "I" and to associate with it.

Ok, this part I don't really understand.

 

[Darkover]

We have very limited idea what simulation is. This might be simulation made in higher dimensional plane, or other dimenion in general. We cannot possibly prove existence of those "dimensions

The world as we know it has three dimensions of space—length, width and depth—and one dimension of time, i don't believe adding anymore dimensions makes for a richer a simulation in fact if there was four dimensions of space x, y, z, and w or more i think things start to breakdown very quickly with the more dimensions you add, i don't belilve in any higher plane of existance in another dimensional realm other than what these universe already provides

 

[NaughtyGirl]

i doubt you'll be able to understand as your not a enginger or computer scientist but be free to have a look

Universal Turing machine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Equations for a falling body - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Halting problem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fibonacci sequence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Inverse-square law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Coulomb's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I mean, apart from the fact it's quite mean of you to say something like this, it doesn't really answer my post.

I said that it's possible to create a fully immersive virtual world that a conscious mind could experience. Dreams exist and technically, we could stripe the brain of the rest of the body, put it in a vat and feed it the signals correlated to particular sensations. In other words, we don't need eyes to feed brain with visual signals.

That's not really a controversial concept but you seem to disagree. So I explained to you why nothing I say is really disputable to which you respond with a bunch of wikipedia links which aren't even related to the subject.

We have very limited idea what simulation is. This might be simulation made in higher dimensional plane, or other dimenion in general. We cannot possibly prove existence of those "dimensions". We can experience something similar on psychedelic trips in which we experience other worldly geometry, fractals, 3d fractals, 4d fractals and time. The idea that there is some computer somewhere that simulates this reality is not possible.

It is 100% possible. Just think about dreams.

The fact that wave becomes determined only when conscious 'observer is present points to that.

That's misunderstanding of what observer is in physics.

 

[Darkover]

I said that it's possible to create a fully immersive virtual world that a conscious mind could experience.

no doubt we can simulate a AI mind that experience a world built from mathematics but what i am saying is no amount of mathematics can create emotion, maths is devoid of emotion, that this universe is the real deal and not just some simulation, that you will need chemicals to experience emotion.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

no doubt we can simulate a AI mind that experience a world built from mathematics but what i am saying is no amount of mathematics can create emotion, maths is devoid of emotion, that this universe is the real deal and not just some simulation.

But why do you think you need to create any emotions in any special sense. This tells me we're talking about two different things. I'm not saying that I'm a simulation. I'm saying that I may be inside a simulation. A simulation which is like a very long and vivid dream or a perfectly immersive video game. That simulation would create emotions in the same sense as watching movies does. In other words, it would merely stimulate the brain to produce them.

 

[fox_wannabe]

I didn't comment on that part of your original post but I think some of the things you're saying are just unreasonable. There are no unnatural things, humans aren't cancer of Earth anymore than trees or water are, and you're not a frankenstein or a freak of nature. And a lot of the things you hate about people won't be there in the future when we evolve more.

I don't think we have good reasons to believe in angels, let alone angels that feed on us.

There are non unnatural things, but not everything natural is good. Like creating 8 billion highly conscious and capable of suffering beings is evil. Because suffering is cause for good and evil to exist. It is objective measure of evil because thing that cause suffering we call evil or bad. (with few exceptions resulting from selective processes). We will not evolve because evolution is blind. It only favours most adaptive species, not the happiest ones. If humanity can only survive under dictatorship; that is how future will look like.

About angels and such) Good point, I do not believe in them either. I have studied many Near Death Experiences ( nderf.org contain collection of 5000 NDEs) and I have read many instances of those beings. There are more like projections, they usually want you back on earth asap. There is entire story about reincarnation, soul trap, source, separation, etc. I won't get into that. It is very deep rabbit hole.

I cannot explain last post here because It comes from non dualism as well as reflection on Lacan's mirror stage, or rather what was before It. I mean before language kid does not have identity. There is just subjective experience and primal needs. This is what I call being one with universe as you are pure expression of It.

That's misunderstanding of what observer is in physics.

Sorry you can disregard my point than. I will have to look into that.

e world as we know it has three dimensions of space—length, width and depth—and one dimension of time, i don't believe adding anymore dimensions makes for a richer a simulation in fact if there was four dimensions of space or more i think things start to breakdown very quickly with the more dimensions you add, i don't belilve in any higher plane of existance in another dimensional realm other than what these universe already provides

The universe you talk about does not need more dimensions. But If it is simulation It would have to be simulated using higher dimension. The simulation machine would have to be in "higher dimension" to contain this one. This is your belief there are no other planes than this. I believe there are because of my experiences.
Besides we must think about our experiences, because they are crucial. The fact that we have experiences does not fit the strict material model.

no doubt we can simulate a AI mind that experience a world built from mathematics but what i am saying is no amount of mathematics can create emotion, maths is devoid of emotion, that this universe is the real deal and not just some simulation, that you will need chemicals to experience emotion.

We can't. Ai sees world through data that is simplified to set numbers that are each put into input nodes, to be later manipulated in neural net, than to values be put in the output. There is no experiencing, not even decision making. Just calculative process. We will never simulate Ai that experience world, we can simulate mind, but never experience. The universe is not "real deal", this is quite of a closeminded view. The fact that you perceive something does not make things that you not perceive, or cannot perceive invalid.
I am talking instantaneous action at distance, light, senses and tastes, fields, quantum probabilities, out of body experiences, psychedelic experiences, subjective experience, near death experiences. This is all real important stuff and we cannot explain it with Newtonian mechanics.
We do need chemicals but they not the entire story. Oxytocin is not in itself love, it needs brain and experiencer.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

The world as we know it has three dimensions of space—length, width and depth—and one dimension of time, i don't believe adding anymore dimensions makes for a richer a simulation in fact if there was four dimensions of space x, y, z, and w or more i think things start to breakdown very quickly with the more dimensions you add, i don't belilve in any higher plane of existance in another dimensional realm other than what these universe already provides

Physicists postulate the existence of extra dimensions regularly. String theories require up to 26 dimensions, super string theory requires 10 and M-theory requires 11. And there are even mentions of infinite-dimensional spaces to be found

Multiverse - Wikipedia

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Adding extra dimensions doesn't necessarily break anything, it's actually a requirement to make certain theories work.

Also, when it comes to simulation theory or stuff like heaven, hell, etc., those are different sort of dimensions and it's not the same as extra dimensions physicists talk about.

Sorry you can disregard my point than. I will have to look into that.

To be fair, it's not entirely obvious what role consciousness plays in quantum mechanics but when physicists talk about observers what they mean in is generally any sort of interactions that causes the collapse of the wave function. I think I saw a poll or something that showed that some 95% of physicists don't think consciousness plays a fundamental role in that process. Maybe that will change but right it's not what consensus is.

 

[fox_wannabe]

To be fair, it's not entirely obvious what role consciousness plays in quantum mechanics but when physicists talk about observers what they mean in is generally any sort of interactions that causes the collapse of the wave function. I think I saw a poll or something that showed that some 95% of physicists don't think consciousness plays a fundamental role in that process. Maybe that will change but right it's not what consensus is.

I watched one video explaining It like that and stating that observer needs to be there to collapse wave function and It used human eye as an example. So maybe I misunderstood that or video was misleading. I will research It and post answer later. Also I have something cool to watch If you want link

 

[Darkover]

you can be dead and alive at the same time

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[fox_wannabe]

you can be dead and alive at the same time

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Does it work for humans too? Just asking

 

[Darkover]

Does it work for humans too? Just asking

i have no idea it's to complex for me to comprehend but i hope to god i get to be a super intelligent machine one day, it might all be transcendental.

 

[ClownMe]

The only reason i work is so that I can stay off the streets (i imagine a lot of people are in the same situation as well), I don't understand how this is "living", life has no meaning and if I could then I wouldn't participate in society whatsoever.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

Does it work for humans too? Just asking

Quantum suicide and immortality - Wikipedia

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The idea is that since there is always a version of you surviving any imaginable death scenario your consciousness simply jumps into those alternative worlds seamlessly.

It's actually kinda creepy if you think about CTB because it basically guarantees that you're going to fail. We may see a dead body, but from your perspective, you're always going to end up severely injured but still alive. The good news is that eventually you'll live long enough to the point where science can fix whatever injury you sustained and you'll probably end up happy somewhere on the way.

 

[Darkover]

i don't think all human biological injuries can be repaired, that a few will be impossible to repair like some types of brain injury.

 

[xLosthopex]

I was never able to hold down a 9-5 'normal' job, this is why I became a stripper and have sugar daddies instead lol