I can’t justify ctb

[wildflowers1996]

I hate feeling so stuck but I can't help feeling like ctb would be immoral of me
Looking at it from a utilitarian point of view
Even though my suffering hurts so, so much - will the combined suffering of my family be greater if I ctb?
I just want to stop existing. I don't want to live. But is it *wrong* for me to ctb?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

It's your life and your choice. Depending from what you suffer you may suffer for several decades while family will surely suffer from the loss but they will eventually get over it after some time.

Ik this is an unsolvable problem, either we suffer for the family or the family suffers bc of the loss and is grieving.

The desire to die is never wrong if you come to the conclusion that this is the only way out for you, after everything else failed.

 

[wildflowers1996]

It's your life and your choice. Depending from what you suffer you may suffer for several decades while family will surely suffer from the loss but they will eventually get over it after some time.

Ik this is an unsolvable problem, either we suffer for the family or the family suffers bc of the loss and is grieving.

The desire to die is never wrong if you come to the conclusion that this is the only way out for you, after everything else failed.

thank you
I don't think my parents would get over it
I think I just have to stay trapped in this hell

 

[FuneralCry]

We all have our right to cease existing, it's just up to the individual deciding when to leave, it must be a difficult situaution to be in and it must be dreadful feeling so trapped. But anyway best wishes.

 

[wildflowers1996]

We all have our right to cease existing, it's just up to the individual deciding when to leave, it must be a difficult situaution to be in and it must be dreadful feeling so trapped. But anyway best wishes.

thank you
people say we have a right to cease existing - but I want to know what gives us that right if that makes sense? Who decides we have that right? Because not everyone will agree that we do
I want to stop existing so much but I feel like morally it's not "allowed" - by society in general, anyway

 

[wtfislife]

I feel this, very much. It's essentially the only thing keeping me around at this point. I'm still leaning toward ctb. My plan is to give as detailed a goodbye message as I can explaining my unsolvable pain and p.o.v. on right to die. Also will be saving money to cover my funeral cost and anything else I can do to "soften the blow" also trying to pick a nonviolent way to go. I'm sure I'll O.D. In a hotel/airbnb so they don't have to find me

thank you
people say we have a right to cease existing - but I want to know what gives us that right if that makes sense? Who decides we have that right? Because not everyone will agree that we do
I want to stop existing so much but I feel like morally it's not "allowed" - by society in general, anyway

"To be well adjusted to a sick society is no measure of health"

The only way I justify this p.o.v. is that I did not ask to be born, so why should I be forced to stay somewhere I didn't choose to be.

All this being said, ctb is something that should be well thought over and not a rash emotional decision. If it's something you truly feel is the only way out of suffering then it becomes selfish on their end to keep you around to suffer.

These are my opinions. This topic is super complicated

 

[wildflowers1996]

I feel this, very much. It's essentially the only thing keeping me around at this point. I'm still leaning toward ctb. My plan is to give as detailed a goodbye message as I can explaining my unsolvable pain and p.o.v. on right to die. Also will be saving money to cover my funeral cost and anything else I can do to "soften the blow" also trying to pick a nonviolent way to go. I'm sure I'll O.D. In a hotel/airbnb so they don't have to find me

"To be well adjusted to a sick society is no measure of health"

The only way I justify this p.o.v. is that I did not ask to be born, so why should I be forced to stay somewhere I didn't choose to be.

All this being said, ctb is something that should be well thought over and not a rash emotional decision. If it's something you truly feel is the only way out of suffering then it becomes selfish on their end to keep you around to suffer.

These are my opinions. This topic is super complicated

I have a similar plan to you
I'm sorry you're suffering so much
I see your logic but I can't get past the idea that my parents' suffering will be even worse than mine now if I ctb

 

[leavingsoon99]

I hate feeling so stuck but I can't help feeling like ctb would be immoral of me
Looking at it from a utilitarian point of view
Even though my suffering hurts so, so much - will the combined suffering of my family be greater if I ctb?
I just want to stop existing. I don't want to live. But is it *wrong* for me to ctb?

Just my input, but if you're having doubts about it then just don't do it. CTB may not be the answer. That's something you have to clarify with your soul. But, if there's doubt then that's the soul telling you that ctb may not be best for you.

I wish you clarity and peace in your heart. I hope the best for you.

 

[ohyouknow]

I hate feeling so stuck but I can't help feeling like ctb would be immoral of me
Looking at it from a utilitarian point of view
Even though my suffering hurts so, so much - will the combined suffering of my family be greater if I ctb?
I just want to stop existing. I don't want to live. But is it *wrong* for me to ctb?

I just don't think there's really an answer to this. I feel like our pain can become too much for us to be able to prioritize others anymore. People say it will end, but it doesn't, not for long anyway. I'm still here for my kids (who are all technically adults as of this month), but it's difficult. If it is immoral to ctb because it causes suffering, one has to question the importance of morals, which are only ideas, intangible and unreal. Life is excruciating. The mental pain is physically felt in my body. How much should we suffer for our morals? Maybe a lot. But how much exactly? How could we even measure pain?

ETA: I agree with leavingsoon99 that you should listen to your doubt. Even if you do hit your limit eventually, you may not be there yet. And there may be some good things left to experience.

 

[Ernest1964]

You do not owe anyone an explanation. You do not need to "justify" your life or lack thereof to any one.

 

[FuneralCry]

thank you
people say we have a right to cease existing - but I want to know what gives us that right if that makes sense? Who decides we have that right? Because not everyone will agree that we do
I want to stop existing so much but I feel like morally it's not "allowed" - by society in general, anyway

Because we were so selfishly burdened with the ability to exist in the first place due to other people deciding to procreate, so therefore nobody is obligated to continue suffering here.
Existence was never a choice in the first place, it was what we were burdened with and one shouldn't have to suffer if they don't wish to despite what pro-life people say.

The right to die is the most basic human right that all humans have the second they are forced to exist, it's not something for other people to decide, it's simply our decision to choose when to die as only we are experiencing our existence.
Expecting one to continue suffering when they wish to die is beyond cruel, those people have no right to expect that.

 

[Forever Sleep]

thank you
people say we have a right to cease existing - but I want to know what gives us that right if that makes sense? Who decides we have that right? Because not everyone will agree that we do
I want to stop existing so much but I feel like morally it's not "allowed" - by society in general, anyway

I think you need to decide who it is you 'owe' this too. I feel the same by the way- I want to wait for my Dad to go first. I couldn't bear to do it to him. I love him more than anything in this world.

Everyone else though- society, estranged friends and family. It might be hard for them but ultimately- I hope they can respect that it was my choice to make and it's what I've wanted for a very long time.

It's true that you wouldn't have universal support for your decision. Does that matter? Personally- I feel like my life and autonomy belong to me. I wouldn't judge them for what they wanted to do. It's quite frankly- none of their business what I choose to do with my life.

I believe we have that right because for one- we didn't commit to this life knowingly (as far as I believe.) We were born here without being given the choice and just expected to get on with it. Even if you signed a contract to do a particular job- you could still resign. Why is it even reasonable to expect us to carry on- no matter what?

Who is it that insists we have to stay here? And why? Is it really for our own benefit- or theirs? It's selfish to leave them with grief- certainly. But it's also selfish of them to expect us to stay and suffer because it would upset them otherwise.

If however your concern is about God- that's a personal feeling on whether you believe in a God and how compassionate you think it is.