I am feel very envious of animals because they can get completely painless euthanasia so easily and cheap. Animals often first immersed in anesthesia and only then they are injected pentobarbital sodium, secobarbital, thiopental and other stuff. That is, they fear that pentobarbital sodium can be not humane and painless enough for them. It's very good and i love animals, but what a sick society in which we exist? Humanity is inadequate or it seems that someone really hates people and gets pleasure from human suffering. I feel more powerless and pathetic than any slave or animal. This is ridiculous, so evil and stupid, this world is controled by sick degenerates crazy about money so much so that it came to the point of absurdity.
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Jessica-
Experienced
- Mar 26, 2019
- 263
Not just animals. Even murderers on death row gets a peaceful exit.
Rex2019
Can't wait for the summer
- Feb 23, 2019
- 128
now when i think about it..that's so fucked up
Veterinarians perform a two-stage process: an initial injection that simply renders the pet unconscious and a second shot that causes death. This allows the owner the chance to say goodbye to a live pet without their emotions stressing the pet. It also greatly mitigates any tendency toward spasm and other involuntary movement which tends to increase the emotional upset that the pet's owner experiences.
For large animals, the volumes of barbiturates required are considered by some to be impractical, although this is standard practice in the United States.[6] For horses and cattle, other drugs may be available. Some specially formulated combination products are available, such as Somulose (secobarbital/cinchocaine) and Tributame (embutramide/chloroquine/lidocaine), which cause deep unconsciousness and cardiac arrest independently with a lower volume of injection, thus making the process faster, safer, and more effective.
Pisabental from A is veterinary solution too: in this society only animals and serial killers have rights to reliable and completely painless end of suffering (cheap, very fast, 100% reliable and not only painless - even in pleasure) because only they cannot be used as wage slaves
They very worried that the animals does not get emotional stress when take the N. They said that N not peaceful enough for them for this reason. Yes it is logical, who cares about people suffering - fuck humanity!
For large animals, the volumes of barbiturates required are considered by some to be impractical, although this is standard practice in the United States.[6] For horses and cattle, other drugs may be available. Some specially formulated combination products are available, such as Somulose (secobarbital/cinchocaine) and Tributame (embutramide/chloroquine/lidocaine), which cause deep unconsciousness and cardiac arrest independently with a lower volume of injection, thus making the process faster, safer, and more effective.
Pisabental from A is veterinary solution too: in this society only animals and serial killers have rights to reliable and completely painless end of suffering (cheap, very fast, 100% reliable and not only painless - even in pleasure) because only they cannot be used as wage slaves
They very worried that the animals does not get emotional stress when take the N. They said that N not peaceful enough for them for this reason. Yes it is logical, who cares about people suffering - fuck humanity!
snowman626
Mage
- Jan 28, 2019
- 547
So we're basically slaves in invisible shackles and they wont let us leave because we are their laborers and they need us here to suffer so they be entertained by it.
This world is nothing more than a trap/prison for souls. They make up bullshit about how we're here to "learn" so we come back mind wiped again and again. Dont let them convince you, when you leave this hell hole you are free!
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Deadgirl
Game Over
- Mar 31, 2019
- 215
People think that every human has a purpose, so they force everyone to stay alive because of an ideal that's too good to be true.
snowman626
Mage
- Jan 28, 2019
- 547
So sick and tired of these pro lifers rhetoric and their attachment to this false idea that life is precious and worth living no matter how much pain your in.
The real reason is very simple and obvious: you can get money from people (including for euthanasia of animals for example). All this talk of humanity and freedom of choice is complete bullshit and hypocrisy: even euthanasia done only for money too and always with a wild amount of restrictions because of this (for example "Exit International" - only people who are over 50 are eligible for their services because the old slaves are a burden and useless rubbish for goverments, they simply do not want to pay pensions and benefits to old people for years)
Palliative care is a way to pump money too: if ill person been just euthanaised they will not be able to extort money from them and his family for years
Jessica-
Experienced
- Mar 26, 2019
- 263
Just by looking at the products it offer and fees charged ,I view Exit International as a money making organization more than a truly compassionate group to promote euthanasia and help the vulnerable. I mean nearly usd 800( Cyverweld charges usd 93) for a nitrogen tank and usd 310 for a regulator . WTF
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Gate
Member
- Apr 11, 2019
- 17
A hanged murder will have a better death than most of us, quick and clean.
Macc Lad
Specialist
- Jan 22, 2019
- 300
Puddings
Member
- Feb 9, 2019
- 36
Working in animal welfare, I have huge issues with this. Most of my anger stems from this. We as humans have the right to decide over these animals weather or not they should live or die. They can not speak for themselves or explain their situation. They can not say if they have quality of life or not, what is really wrong with them and if they will get better or not. So we take it upon ourselves to rescue them through death. We make those decisions on their behalf. And when such a decision is made, I hold them and talk to them, if they were very badly neglected and abused, I make sure I love them extra, give them a nice meal, show them kindness. And off they go, into a better life, with no more pain and suffering.
Yet, we as humans, who can speak and explain our situation, who knows that perhaps there is no cure, who can speak up for ourselves and say we have no quality of life, we are forced to live. We are abused and neglected, we suffer greatly, but we have no way out of the prisons of our minds nor society, except in a cruel manner. Doing it ourselves in a painful way. There is no dignity for us. There is no humane ending to our suffering. And we are left with judgement and the burden of other people's feelings should we wish to end our own suffering.
There is nothing fair about the suffering many voiceless animals go through. But sometimes they are saved through the mercy of euthanasia. There is no mercy for humans, even if they have a voice and a free will to decide what is best for them. There is no humanity in the human race.
Yet, we as humans, who can speak and explain our situation, who knows that perhaps there is no cure, who can speak up for ourselves and say we have no quality of life, we are forced to live. We are abused and neglected, we suffer greatly, but we have no way out of the prisons of our minds nor society, except in a cruel manner. Doing it ourselves in a painful way. There is no dignity for us. There is no humane ending to our suffering. And we are left with judgement and the burden of other people's feelings should we wish to end our own suffering.
There is nothing fair about the suffering many voiceless animals go through. But sometimes they are saved through the mercy of euthanasia. There is no mercy for humans, even if they have a voice and a free will to decide what is best for them. There is no humanity in the human race.
We'll probably never know if an animal actually WANTS to have euthanasia. We goddamn humans decide for everything.
martha
Experienced
- Mar 14, 2019
- 201
never say never...you should meet the two completely overrated Birman Persian cats of my former collegue.and their lush life..She is preparing vegan dinners for them, they have a garden to play in and are sleeping on her pillow case, while her hubby is curling up somewhere in the corner. No need to mention they have no children. When the cats had a digestive problem she used to call the house hourly and kept us all updated. Even my boss was envious of them.
Do animals have desires or only instincts? But they can suffer a lot and can't CTB like humans. No one should suffer: no matter the animal, a human or even AI or robot
Macc Lad
Specialist
- Jan 22, 2019
- 300
we had a cat for 15 years....."Max"........had to be put to sleep in my arms........we were devastated , still miss him x
martha
Experienced
- Mar 14, 2019
- 201
so was our "Frodo", there is nothing more lovely than a purring comfort next to you.
Animals are wonderful.
Macc Lad
Specialist
- Jan 22, 2019
- 300
I can honestly say I have, even though they are more vulnerable and are not as sophisticated as humans. They often look quite content, especially if they have what they need. The more complex you are, the more potential for greatness but also the more potential for misery there is.
I agree with you...society is inhumane and we should be allowed to end our suffering in a peaceful and painless way....I am a mature adult who has tried unsuccessfully to end my suffering/life but was brought back against my will...I now have limited ways to even consider....I am tormented and desperate...this is not a game for me...
Allan, I definetely agree with you. I'm familiar with the two step euthanasia protocols for dogs and cats and it is so humane and thoughtful. It then gets me thinking about how good it would be if I could be administered a general anaesthetic and while under, be given 15g of tiapenthal or pentobarbital.
The answer is obvious... People think that human life is precious, and that no matter how bad things are for a person, they can always get better. You just have to help them -understand- that their life is precious and will get better eyerolls.
Deadgirl
Game Over
- Mar 31, 2019
- 215
This is what exactly happens. They even have the nerve to say that it's "mental illness" talking not our true wish and once they "treat" it, it will go away. Typical pro lifers
martha
Experienced
- Mar 14, 2019
- 201
I feel so sorry to hear that and I do support your wish for having control over your own life (or death).
It seems to me that In modern society for many people it is all about, how useful a person is in an economic way and how much you can gain profit.
I´ve worked in geriatrics and found a lot of people there only longing for their death, but there is so much money involved into housing them and profiting of them.
Suicide should not be placed under a taboo, it should be discussed openly and with respect.
Why is assisted suicide still not legal here? Who is the main body opposing this? Are the church influencing all this? I completely agree that vasts amount of money are to be made from us being kept alive but a body like the nhs for example must welcome this change surely?
I do not believe for a single minute it is anything at all to do with protecting the vulnerable. There is another motive and i can't quite determine what it is.
The making money off the dying is plausible but how does that influence those making the decisions? Is it a body of politicians responsible.
I completely agree that suicide should not be taboo. When i hear about these flaming do gooders saving people i want to punch them. Not everyone can be saved or wants to. For some all has been tried and all hope is gone and it drives me insane.
I just read a story about a woman in the uk who had an horrific disease that had destroyed her life. She attempted suicide and it went wrong so she got sectioned. Who makes these decisions. I dont understand it.
I do not believe for a single minute it is anything at all to do with protecting the vulnerable. There is another motive and i can't quite determine what it is.
The making money off the dying is plausible but how does that influence those making the decisions? Is it a body of politicians responsible.
I completely agree that suicide should not be taboo. When i hear about these flaming do gooders saving people i want to punch them. Not everyone can be saved or wants to. For some all has been tried and all hope is gone and it drives me insane.
I just read a story about a woman in the uk who had an horrific disease that had destroyed her life. She attempted suicide and it went wrong so she got sectioned. Who makes these decisions. I dont understand it.
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Some philosophies and religions say that there is someone or something (some system) who uses the suffering of people as a resource (such as oil or gas), animals are not suitable for this - only humans, the suffering of people is their main goal: money and everything else are only means of achieving these goals. It seems that they are maybe right and this not so nonsense like it sounds.
Deadgirl
Game Over
- Mar 31, 2019
- 215
This is true though. If they let us die peacefully and easily psychiatry would go out of business. Think about it psychiatry thrives and profits out of people's suffering because they make billions.
Yes good point. And all the psychiatric drugs they peddle must be worth billions
Barbiturates are a great example: relatively recently the psychiatric system in the world massively wrote them out to everyone and even advertised them. Used them to heal people. In the past you could go and buy N at the pharmacy near your home. Today this is highly restricted drugs like heroin. Benzodiazepines - these are dangerous drugs too
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