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jkfromfaraway

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Since I was 16 I've had these thoughts. They persisted through college. I used to wander through campus looking for unlocked rooftops (there were many). I set a few dates, written a few notes, made some lists. I feel like I used to have these thoughts about once a month on average. During times it would be once a week or once a day, with no real reason for the increase in frequency. After college, the company that I worked at was on the 17th floor, and staring down at the traffic below, I'd think about how many seconds I would have to spend before snapping into nothing. There's no real reason for these thoughts. From an outside view, it appears my life is pretty great. I've checked all the boxes: job, wife, house. But something in my brain keeps me from feeling real joy. I cry constantly. It's embarrassing when I'm with a group of friends, we'll all be joking around, and I'll start sobbing out of nowhere. Not happy tears. That kind of spiral that near impossible to get out of.

Since about mid-August, the frequency of these thoughts has increased dramatically. Every second of every day, I've become obsessed with my exit strategy. Every conversation that I have, I think of how meaningless it is if I'm not going to be here anymore. I've been slowly working through a list to make sure that 1. I can prove to myself and everyone that I really have tried everything to get better, and 2. That I'm not going to leave my friends and family without all of my affairs in order. So it's things like finding a therapist, trying an antidepressant/trees/unclebens, life insurance, method, transferring passwords, etc. I've worked most of the way through the list, but I still don't have a date set yet until the list is done.

What I'm wondering, though, is how people don't think about ctb constantly. I don't understand how it's possible. It's so easy to just be done with it all, instead of drudging through the rest of the years that, at the best, have a small chance of being marginally better. I have assumptions of where the bus leads, and hopes of where it leads. I really don't mind whatever it is. I just want to be done.

I used to have mantras like "stay curious", and "don't put so much important on the world". But they've lost their affect over the years. Any mantras out there that have helped you? Any tips on how to lessen the thoughts?

P.S. - I came in the wave of the NYT article. I read the entire thing and just kept thinking that this is the community that I've been looking for but couldn't find. I just wanted to talk to people about this without their immediate bias of trying to give me platitudes and say anything to keep me here. I want to talk to others who have legitimately struggled with the same things that I've been struggling with for decades, and I'm glad this community exists.
 
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Bleak

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Did something happen in August that hastened your plans so much? I can't answer your question about how do people not think about suicide, because to me that is simply a default state. I wouldn't want to die if I didn't think my future was full mostly of pain, loneliness and self loathing. I'm usually averse to the simplistic "chemical imbalance" explanation, but it might be worth exploring for you since your suicidality seems independent of life circumstances. I agree that platitudes are unhelpful - perhaps delving into the philosophies and religions that those platitudes are often taken from might be helpful. Buddhism is comforting to me and I would recommend the dhammapada as a first book if that sounds interesting to you.
 
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timf

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Thoughts of suicide can become a sort of drug. For example, when things get difficult, one can bring up thoughts of suicide that can seem to be a way to reduce the discomfort of dealing with difficulties. It is similar to how buying a lottery ticket can cause a person to feel relaxed about financial difficulties.

To reduce the attractive character of suicide thoughts there are two tactics. The first is to inject reality such that when thoughts come up, reality is applied to show that the attractive character is not real. The second way is to cultivate a plan to build control (starting even with just a small corner) of one's life.

In this way a person can begin to switch from thoughts of suicide that provide comfort, to thoughts of control that cam make real changes. The mantra approach lacks the element of substance and reality. Giving oneself credit for actual accomplishments builds a foundation of reality that can allow unsupported thought to fade.
 
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jkfromfaraway

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Dec 12, 2021
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This really hit home for me. I just want to stop crying every day, all the time, and the thought of ending things is an easy out that gives me comfort. The second tactic makes a lot of sense, though it might take some effort to realize how/where to make a plan, but maybe that's the point. I could use a bit more elaboration on the first on though:
inject reality such that when thoughts come up, reality is applied to show that the attractive character is not real.

What do you mean by "reality" in this sense? Can you give an example?
 
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Mynameisnotimportant

4 years recovered. SS Vetran
Aug 21, 2018
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It took me years. It's been almost 3 years since my "Goodbye" post and I'm back on here again lol. It's about crowing your time with responsiblities. In the beginning I kept somewhat sane by being very militant about taking my trazadone at sad hours and cuddling my guinea pig until it kicked in
 
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ARW3N

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Dec 25, 2019
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You're describing suicidal ideation. Most people never move from A to B when it comes to suicide and will endlessly think about it without acting on it. Perhaps the sheer finality of death is too daunting.
 
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Sep 28, 2020
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Try and keep your mind busy, a documentary, a walk, a friend you haven't talked in a long time. And of course there's always someone here if you neeed to talk or vent. Do it like me take it day by day. after many shrinks private and public ones, for years I finally found one that has been helping me positively for years, and ps welcome to our little safe house.
 
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Dragon's Heart

Well, that didnt go as planned.
Dec 14, 2021
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For me, it never stops. There seems to be some need that I've been unable to identify that needs to be met. The thoughts seem to be a habit anymore as this has been going on for most of my life. Like Sherri says, resisting pressure is day by day and, sometimes, hour by hour. Then there's the theory of human death drive which may have something to it seeing how we make war all the time. With no natural predators, maybe the death drive serves a purpose? I apologize if my posts are difficult to understand, articulating my thoughts is not something I'm well-practiced in.
 

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