Discussion How to Overcome Survival Instincts?

[Xebsora29]

Hey Community,

I'll keep it simple and short. Whats your methods on overcoming survival instincts?

 

[Anonymoussn]

For me it's all about choosing a method that avoids this being a problem. If I Jump from a building, or try and hang myself I will have to overcome SI. If i take SN, or use CO, or an exit bag there is no obvious instinctive threat to my survival, so I'm able to fool myself into avoiding SI kicking in. I do not think I would be capable of jumping, or anything with such an obvious SI obstacle to overcome.

 

[cloreanne]

I cant overcome SI from hanging or jumping and cant access SN or exit bag.... need some tips ...

 

[coconut lover]

I cant overcome SI from hanging or jumping and cant access SN or exit bag.... need some tips ...

Can you find heroin?

 

[Thirdtimesthecharm]

I cant overcome SI from hanging or jumping and cant access SN or exit bag.... need some tips ...

Alcohol should help overcome SI for hanging. Atleast that's what I'm going to do.

 

[cloreanne]

Can you find heroin?

I dont think so ...

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Writing this thread and commenting on it helped me work out some things about SI. It relates to what @Anonymoussn posted in comment 2 above.

Edit: I also did some thinking about what is SI and what is not.

I've noticed on the forum that SI seems to be a blanket term for things that I don't believe are necessarily survival instinct, but are often a matter of preference, opinion, and emotion. Pure survival instinct, to me, is taking a bag off of one's head when suffocating, that is, it's physical and autonomic. Much of what is referred to on the forum as SI would be what the Stoics would consider an undue preference for living and and undue fear of the freeing release, and therefore gift, of death provided by nature.

I think what folks deem SI is a form of clinging and attachment with deep roots, but is not necessarily a true instinct. If one were raised in a warrior culture, they would have no such issues, so I think it's more a reflection of the conditioning of cultural beliefs and mores. Just as being anti-suicide depends on the the dominant social groups and the culture, because in this same world at the same time, suicide is deeply shamed in predominantly Catholic and some Muslim countries, while in Asian countries it is not, and sometimes is in such cultures it still considered an expression of one's honor in certain circumstances and is redeeming rather than damning. In fact, it can redeem the honor of families, while in the other countries I mentioned, it can shame the whole family.

 

[whitelacedress]

Alcohol should help overcome SI for hanging. Atleast that's what I'm going to do.

I've tried that, but I drank so much that I became sick and kinda happy, and I didnt 'feel like it' anymore. what a waste of time

 

[suffering]

I wish I knew.

 

[SpottedPanda]

I think to myself, no joke, what if I was as stupid as a criminal? Then I ponder to myself, what is the defining factor to doing something stupid?

I conclude that I simply need to act and forget about the consequences, no matter how wrong it feels, no matter what the result is.

In short, I reckon to myself, just take the action without employing reason or conscience.

 

[lostangel]

The only way is to de-sensitise yourself to it.

eg first time you try partial hanging you will be nervous. But the tenth time you be a lot more calmer as you know what to expect. Another tip is to tell yourself it's only a practice run.

 

[Thirdtimesthecharm]

I've tried that, but I drank so much that I became sick and kinda happy, and I didnt 'feel like it' anymore. what a waste of time

benzos then maybe

 

[whitelacedress]

benzos then maybe

are they affective? everyone says you cannot overdose to death