How to convince people your suicide was rational?

[Walilamdzi]

I don't want people to create a narrative that I died because of mental illness, I want to ctb because I have no desire to participate in any aspect of society or life, which is a rational decision and I don't want people to create a narrative that plays into the paradigms of psychiatry.

 

[Kikoo Loool]

Don't bother, they don't want to understand.

 

[headinghome]

I don't want people to create a narrative that I died because of mental illness, I want to ctb because I have no desire to participate in any aspect of society or life, which is a rational decision and I don't want people to create a narrative that plays into the paradigms of psychiatry.

Let's face it most people aren't going to ever agree that suicide is the right decision… That is unless they were immersed in this unrelenting hopeless suffering… That's the only time they would change their mind

 

[souljah222]

I don't want people to create a narrative that I died because of mental illness, I want to ctb because I have no desire to participate in any aspect of society or life, which is a rational decision and I don't want people to create a narrative that plays into the paradigms of psychiatry.

Just write down how you really feel and your true intentions, they dont have to understand it but at least they will know your reasons

 

[EddieAllenPoe]

This is going to be far from helpful but it made me think of a movie. Ever see Girl, Interrupted? Great movie. There's a scene where the doctor asks her "Why did you swallow a whole bottle of aspirin with a bottle of vodka?" Her answer was "I had a headache." I love that movie. Anyways, you're not going to be able to control other people's narratives. You can write a note and try to explain yourself the best you can. Ultimately, though, people will interpret things however they want.

 

[ScorpiusDragon]

I don't want people to create a narrative that I died because of mental illness, I want to ctb because I have no desire to participate in any aspect of society or life, which is a rational decision and I don't want people to create a narrative that plays into the paradigms of psychiatry.

Unfortunately, they'll probably create that narrative anyways.

 

[housecat]

They probably won't understand, but you can explain it anyway in the hopes they may try to understand or that it may even give someone comfort. Despite no longer being suicidal, part of me still sees the sense in doing so. It's not irrational to want to end pain, particularly when knowing that you can't fix certain problems or change the world.

 

[Alchemist]

It's pretty much impossible, I have tried. They have been brainwashed by the cult of life and anything you say otherwise looks to them like the ramblings of a fool, basically is like speaking to the wall.

 

[deflagrat]

It's pretty much impossible, I have tried. They have been brainwashed by the cult of life and anything you say otherwise looks to them like the ramblings of a fool, basically is like speaking to the wall.

I used to think that I was the most unlucky person in the world when I was a teenager. How is that noone was suffering like I was? Then I realized other people have bad luck too, it's just that they are always positive about it.

Pro life basically means that you have never been depressed before and for me that in itself is a mental illness. Why? Because if you always have a happy mood you will see everything bad as positive no matter what. That means you are willing to torture yourself because you see everything positively. It seems like their life is enough for them because they have really low expectations of what happiness really is.

 

[Vegrau]

Don't bother, they don't want to understand.

Oh ho how very very true.

 

[TAW122]

@Walilamdzi I don't think you can really convince them, like others have said, but you can give your reasoning and provide "some" comfort after you have CTB'ed.

@Kikoo Loool Very true, they don't like the truth nor want to face reality.

@headinghome Also, to add to your point, I believe that even those who have experienced it before (some of them, but not all), and then recovered at a later point in their lives may also refuse to understand or acknowledge that suicide is rational. It's kinda like they themselves decide to assimilate into the cult of life.

@EddieAllenPoe That is really well said.

@housecat I fully agree with your last sentence, because sometimes when there is no solution and one does NOT want to accept the result, then suicide is an alternative solution to that, especially if the issue is long-term or severe enough (to the particular person). I don't think society nor others should judge said person's reasoning or make that determination for them because each person's suffering is unique to their own.

@deflagrat This is a really good observation. Too many people have become numb and accustomed to shitty things in life that they even blindingly accept shitty things as positive. I believe if anyone has mental illnesses it's the majority of people in society, whom all (or just about all) are pro-life. It's quite arrogant for the majority of society to then see us (who are not only realistic, but also logical and rational in our decision making and reasoning) as mentally ill. It's basically all about people control for society; if there is any dissent or deviation from what it deems 'normal' or even acceptable within it's bounds, then it labels it as mentally ill or irrational. Society also likes to use the government itself to enforce it's decree both legally and physically while using the pseudo-science psychiatry to manipulate the foolish masses of society (majority of people out there) and media to spread psychiatry's evil grip.

 

[Fin]

How to convince people your suicide was rational?

Most people won't accept it, and they do this unconsciously in order to protect themselves. Accepting that suicide may be rational for a perfectly healthy person is liable to slenderize most people's inherent optimism bias that leads them in life, and forms the basis of their worldview. Admitting that suicide might be a solution even for a mentally and physically healthy person would make most people feel more vulnerable to its menace and suddenly sense that it might be suitable for them as well if only they thought it through, so they will project a mental illness or other distinctive label onto you in order for them to feel like they are in a diffferent position by singling you out.

I have learned in my life so far that whenever you ask yourself a question about the human behaviour the best way to properly answer it is by applying Freud's pleasure principle.

 

[alizee]

It's not rational for you to care about what people do or think after you die. Understanding what I just wrote, helps illustrate how most people are not actually rational and you're not going to manage to end your life without being labeled mentally ill for it. Unless fitting a perfect narrative that's being pushed right now in regarding people with incurable illnesses that get medical assisted dying.

Anyway if it makes you feel better, "mental illness" is just human expression (words) to denote a person is different mentally than the majority and perceived to be of an ill-state in some way that's contrary to what the majority think is healthy. There's no reason to care.

 

[Walilamdzi]

It's just that I would hate for the end of my life to play into a narrative that has been so damaging to my life. I care about people not ending up in this position if it's avoidable.

 

[Divine Trinity]

I don't want people to create a narrative that I died because of mental illness, I want to ctb because I have no desire to participate in any aspect of society or life, which is a rational decision and I don't want people to create a narrative that plays into the paradigms of psychiatry.

Put all your effort into your method, the nuance and skill required will speak for itself.

 

[alizee]

It's just that I would hate for the end of my life to play into a narrative that has been so damaging to my life. I care about people not ending up in this position if it's avoidable.

Take the issue to court if you seriously care. Depending on where you live, people might be able to get assisted suicide for an illness and you cannot because of nonsense. Even if you have no chance at convincing anyone. You had the opportunity to show how you're being treated unfairly and how your desires are rational to you. Otherwise do something else to illustrate how it's rational but in reality you shouldn't care what others will think.

 

[Quinlor]

I think its not possible explain the rationality in kill your self to others because in general ordinary people freak out when discovery that someone want to die for own hands... Even a therapist

 

[dandan]

people will talk , some other will talk shit, and most of them will forget in about a week and continue with their lives....

except moms.... damm it... thats the hardest

 

[Wanderer_with_Death]

You can't control/convince anyone, they'll think/feel how they want about anything and everything.
You can try of course if you feel they're worth the attempt, but you'll save a lot of heartache if you consider what is best for you without having it needed to be validated/externalized by others.

Of course, if you're trying to open up and seek help then I highly encourage and advise such, but if you already made up your mind on embracing Death and have exhausted all efforts and opportunities, then there is just wasted effort imo

 

[cornflowerblue]

I used to think that I was the most unlucky person in the world when I was a teenager. How is that noone was suffering like I was? Then I realized other people have bad luck too, it's just that they are always positive about it.

Pro life basically means that you have never been depressed before and for me that in itself is a mental illness. Why? Because if you always have a happy mood you will see everything bad as positive no matter what. That means you are willing to torture yourself because you see everything positively. It seems like their life is enough for them because they have really low expectations of what happiness really is.

The worst I've seen is people who have been depressed and got better. They're much more awful than people who haven't had depression.

 

[Tortured_empath]

Most people won't accept it, and they do this unconsciously in order to protect themselves. Accepting that suicide may be rational for a perfectly healthy person is liable to slenderize most people's inherent optimism bias that leads them in life, and forms the basis of their worldview. Admitting that suicide might be a solution even for a mentally and physically healthy person would make most people feel more vulnerable to its menace and suddenly sense that it might be suitable for them as well if only they thought it through, so they will project a mental illness or other distinctive label onto you in order for them to feel like they are in a diffferent position by singling you out.

I have learned in my life so far that whenever you ask yourself a question about the human behaviour the best way to properly answer it is by applying Freud's pleasure principle.

I agree with this. Suicide reminds people of the absolutely meaningless, chaotic and absurd nature of existence. An existance which they so eagerly try to give meaning through work, family, society, religion etc. instead of just accepting life for what it is: pointless.
Their view of life is threatened.
To use Albert Camus' theory of absurdism: "Suicide is a "confession" that life is not worth living; it is a choice that implicitly declares that life is "too much." Suicide offers the most basic "way out" of absurdity: the immediate termination of the self and its place in the universe."

The people who knew us probably also feel a sense of guilt. So they pretend that there wasn't any actual problem in our lives they could have helped us fix that led us to make this decision, instead it was all an illness.

 

[TAW122]

I agree with this. Suicide reminds people of the absolutely meaningless, chaotic and absurd nature of existence. An existance which they so eagerly try to give meaning through work, family, society, religion etc. instead of just accepting life for what it is: pointless.
Their view of life is threatened.
To use Albert Camus' theory of absurdism: "Suicide is a "confession" that life is not worth living; it is a choice that implicitly declares that life is "too much." Suicide offers the most basic "way out" of absurdity: the immediate termination of the self and its place in the universe."

The people who knew us probably also feel a sense of guilt. So they pretend that there wasn't any actual problem in our lives they could have helped us fix that led us to make this decision, instead it was all an illness.

Yeah it's ridiculous that most people keep seeing depression as some illness rather than result of shitty circumstances (even those who do understand that shitty circumstances can cause 'depression' they refuse to address the root causes and instead only focus on symptoms, which is wasted effort and only ignores the real problems).

 

[Jolene40]

Yeah it's ridiculous that most people keep seeing depression as some illness rather than result of shitty circumstances (even those who do understand that shitty circumstances can cause 'depression' they refuse to address the root causes and instead only focus on symptoms, which is wasted effort and only ignores the real problems).

This is so true. Even people dribbling to death from motor neuron disease are labelled f***in depressed if they want to end their life by some. There was a story in my news, a guy in late 80s with MND went to Dignitas. His wife went with him. Some nosy do gooding PoS phoned social services and reported the wife beforehand.

 

[Walilamdzi]

Yeah agreed, but it's because there's a lot of money based on "medications" so pharmaceutical companies push that narrative, and they have the money then this paradigm keeps getting recirculated, they fund the studies, they keep getting more money in their pocket. A lot of people's jobs rely on the lies about these things, whereas nobody gets any money for challenging them or listening to the opinions of those that challenge them. Hence anyone who disagrees being pushed down.
The huge imbalance of power between a doctor and a patient means that many don't question them, so that could lead to a placebo or an optimism.