How suicidal persons would be handled if we were truly free

[Final Escape]

First of all suicide would not be illegal or punished. You would have voluntary places that could help you with all your problems and this would be easy to access. You would have options to prepare your suicide with the help of people who are not trying to dissuade you. This is what most people would want in a free society, that's how you know for sure that we are not free. You would find plenty of options for both if you decide you want to live or die at any time. There would never be this situation where you feel like you are fucked and your only option is to die.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

In Arizona unless something has changed suicide is not illegal, 20 years ago I called the cops to ask if there was space somewhere, the cops came out had a casual conversation about suicide, came in checked out the gun and bullets and informed me suicide is not illegal, then they left.

 

[Final Escape]

In Arizona unless something has changed suicide is not illegal, 20 years ago I called the cops to ask if there was space somewhere, the cops came out had a casual conversation about suicide, came in checked out the gun and bullets and informed me suicide is not illegal, then they left.

In South Dakota my friend sent the cops to my apt and they almost took me to the crisis center against my will. I guess it depends on the state

 

[Mecha Man]

In South Dakota my friend sent the cops to my apt and they almost took me to the crisis center against my will. I guess it depends on the state

This is one of the most terrifying things to me. People are totally mental. They think by imprisoning you they'll help you? Come on now

 

[AveryConure]

What never made sense to me either is the police literally barge into your place and are fully armed with guns and other weapons and if you literally wanted to you could actually provoke them into shooting you which kind of defeats the purpose of "rescuing" you.

And knowing how the police can literally get away with murder these days they could totally spin some story on how it was entirely self-defense and get away with it scotfree.

 

[Threads]

In such a world, many of the problems that led us to suicide would have had been addressed far earlier in our lives, and it's entirely likely we wouldn't have ended up in the state we are in.

I think we have a very different of what a 'free society' is. For any industrialized state or society, suicide is economically and socially damaging to it. We as a society should be embracing all the fundamental things wrong within our society starting at the most basic of levels. Unfortunately, fixing these most basic of things is completely unrealistic. While I agree for the sake of agreeing that state assisted suicide should the right of all people, I'm saddened that it has gotten to that point.

 

[DeadMemories]

They try to make everyone go through therapy and hospitalisation thinking it helps and it can do with some people. If there were suicide booths in every town then anyone who's had a shit week could just waltz right in and kill themselves. People like us who have been suicidal for a while would love to have this opportunity.

I think the major issue is when someone is suicidal everyone tries to make it about themselves telling you that your death would affect them and you must keep living through this shit. If you tell someone that if they want to kill themselves then they should, not in a spiteful or rude way but in a supportive manner then it really does lift a weight off your shoulders.

 

[Mecha Man]

They try to make everyone go through therapy and hospitalisation thinking it helps and it can do with some people. If there were suicide booths in every town then anyone who's had a shit week could just waltz right in and kill themselves. People like us who have been suicidal for a while would love to have this opportunity.

I think the major issue is when someone is suicidal everyone tries to make it about themselves telling you that your death would affect them and you must keep living through this shit. If you tell someone that if they want to kill themselves then they should, not in a spiteful or rude way but in a supportive manner then it really does lift a weight off your shoulders.

This might sound extreme, but honestly when I think I about that I can't help but think, "If my death is going to affect you so badly then you can kill yourself too."

 

[comfortablydumb]

First of all suicide would not be illegal

Where is it that you imagine suicide to be illegal? In most western/developed countries, suicide is NOT illegal.

 

[Final Escape]

Where is it that you imagine suicide to be illegal? In most western/developed countries, suicide is NOT illegal.

I shouldn't say illegal but if u are found out, you may be forcibly committed to a phsyc ward against your will. If the wrong person finds out and calls the cops on you. I almost got in more trouble because my friend called the cops to my place. They tried to search my apartment and I had weed which could have gotten me into a worse situation than just suicidal. Don't ever consent to a home search if the cops come to your place. They could find something u didn't even know was there.

 

[typx]

Anyone ever seen Soylent Green? The suicide center?

Canada (and other countries) are moving towards legalized suicide with assisted death legislation. Just the elderly in 'rational suicide' cases. And I very much doubt that will ever change.

The whole idea of the state helping people off themselves is a little squirrelly to me. Chronic pain/debilitating disease.. I can see the sense in it. But other than that.. not really. The state is not responsible for your happiness or your life. Nor do the vast majority of people condone suicide. That doesn't mean people don't reach a point where it isn't the best option. But you can't expect others and the state to help you. You are free to kill yourself. You really are. But this fact doesn't stop people and organizations wanting absolutely nothing to do with it. If you want to die; no one can stop you.

For me, this is one of the strangest themes here.. that killing yourself is someone else's responsibility. That isn't freedom, it's the opposite.

I'd be lying if I said a suicide center isn't something I'd seriously consider if it existed. But there is no way I'd ever be angry or upset that they don't.

 

[Mecha Man]

Anyone ever seen Soylent Green? The suicide center?

Canada (and other countries) are moving towards legalized suicide with assisted death legislation. Just the elderly in 'rational suicide' cases. And I very much doubt that will ever change.

The whole idea of the state helping people off themselves is a little squirrelly to me. Chronic pain/debilitating disease.. I can see the sense in it. But other than that.. not really. The state is not responsible for your happiness or your life. Nor do the vast majority of people condone suicide. That doesn't mean people don't reach a point where it isn't the best option. But you can't expect others and the state to help you. You are free to kill yourself. You really are. But this fact doesn't stop people and organizations wanting absolutely nothing to do with it. If you want to die; no one can stop you.

For me, this is one of the strangest themes here.. that killing yourself is someone else's responsibility. That isn't freedom, it's the opposite.

I'd be lying if I said a suicide center isn't something I'd seriously consider if it existed. But there is no way I'd ever be angry or upset that they don't.

Surely, helping other people in general is no one's responsibility, really. But that's not the world we live in, thankfully. One of the traits of human beings in this world is that they care about people and things, and feel dedicated to various causes. curing cancer, helping the homeless, stopping abortion, making it easier to -get- abortions (lol), reducing pollution, etc. The list goes on and on. People want to help people and make the world better. At least most people seem to. It just so happens that when it comes to suicide, people are almost entirely fixated on trying to prevent it, as opposed to there being an opposition (sort of like abortion) with people trying to help people do it.

As for soylent green, I've thought about that movie a few times before. Someone in another thread stated that they thought that government or company run suicide would be bad for the economy because it'd be killing all the consumers. I suppose that's a fair point. But I've often thought that if assisted suicide were to be made into a business (not like this would ever happen) it could flourish in the economy. I mean I suppose they could do it like they did in soylent green and make them into food, or the company that kills people could outsource that part of it to another company, but regardless, I see other potential benefits. A whole new industry means more jobs, which is always good.

I can't speak for everybody who is incredibly suicidal, but speaking for myself, I am pretty much a blight on society. I don't contribute anything at the moment, and throughout my life I haven't contributed much other than a few odd jobs here and there. I think it might be fair to say that a lot of people with debilitating depression are the same way; they're so apathetic and miserable that they just can't do much of anything, so eliminating them could potentially save a lot of wasted consumption of materials (food and stuff). It would also contribute towards reducing overpopulation. So those are some of my thoughts on the matter.

 

[Vvcv]

People is usually against this kind of idea, saying it will make bad people force other people to die. Others will tell you that if you really want to kill yourself you still can, "noone is taking that freedom away from you". Well, if they get rid of the meds I need to kill myself it's a problem for me. Spain is advancing slowly in this issue, with a bit of luck euthanasia should be legal for people with terminal diseases and disabled people in the next years, it's a start. I wonder if I would be able to be considered as someone "disabled" to meet the criteria (probably not). If only...

 

[Ashpac]

I have said many times if suicide was legal in the sense you could go to clinics to end your life then the global population would drop dramatically. Which is weird its not like that because the higher ups who want the population to decrease, you would think they would allow this to happen to get rid of the ''Ants'' as they call us.