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noname223

Angelic
Aug 18, 2020
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I think this is a difficult question.
It is similar to a past post of mine. The problem of intersubjectivity. I regret having posted it in the philosophy section. Barely anyone read it :(
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-problem-of-intersubjectivity-and-mental-illness.91724/

For me logic is quite important. I try to make the best decisions and rely on science. Or at least on good, trustworthy sources. Listening to different opinions and trying to be unbiased when doing that. But honestly this is almost impossible., I think everyone has biases. Our brain categorizes people and situations into different schemes. This is a necessity so that we can be productive. And not ruminate all the time before making a decision.

I try to be rational. But damn this is extremely hard. Knowledge on human biases, cognitive processes and heuristics is important. But when I am facning a difficult decision my brain rather melts down instead of stayng rational.
I think mental illness can make it worse to be fully rational. I elaborated on that in the thread about intersubjectivity. Due to the fact we are inside our minds it is impossible to be fully independent of our mood. Some people claim this is why mentally ill people could never be rational. I doubt this a lot. I think with this logic one also had to conclude that all humans were irrational. Because we all have shifts in our thinking. But for sure to a different degree. Then there are even people who say suicide is always an irrational act in my point of view foolish.

But I think my different conditions can make it more difficult to remain rational. With mania I tend to too positive thinking and dangerous decisions. Depression can make you feel more pessimistic about life than it actually is. Psychosis and delusions can make you...yeah fully insane. Listening to voices. When I was psychotic i was pretty irrational. OCD can also shift my thinking. I think a lot of self-hatred stems from that.

But honestly all in all I think I am quite self-aware. But maybe this is just an over-confidence bias. But at least considering this possibilty is a step into the right direction. I tend to be too determined future. I feel like I cannot escape from my pain and nightmare. Because there are some signs that the horrible past will just repeat. So I think to a certain degree it is rational. I am not sure. Sometimes maybe I am a little bit too convinced what will happen in the future. The past was so tortorous and so much cynical shit happened. Maybe it is kind of a protection for me in order not to get disappointed. But in fact this would be a bias.

The whole thing is pretty complex. I am sure I am thinking more about this than most mentally healthy people. So I conclude I might be more rational than some of them. But mental illness can make it difficult. In mornings I am more optimistic because I have less depression. And in the evening when I am struggling I always expect the worst.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
37,125
I think that I am very rational, I see life and the world for what it really is. Wanting suicide for me is certainly rational, it's what makes sense as life could never be worth living and staying alive would only mean more suffering. For me, the future will only get worse.
 
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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,690
I think that I am very rational, I see life and the world for what it really is. Wanting suicide for me is certainly rational, it's what makes sense as life could never be worth living and staying alive would only mean more suffering. For me, the future will only get worse.
Pretty much how I view myself and I too, see the world for what it is. There are days where I sometimes wished I had taken my chance to CTB in 2019 had I known and foreseen the pandemic and how the world plays out in the coming future.
 
Celerity

Celerity

shape without form, shade without colour
Jan 24, 2021
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If anybody is being honest with themselves and others, they should admit that they aren't rational. People are not rational by nature, even the smartest among us. Any elementary education in cognitive biases can tell you this.
 
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Dead Ghost

Dead Ghost

Mestre del Temps
May 6, 2022
1,338
If we consider the following definition:

Well, no, hahaha. I was thinking of another rather different definition, but apparently in the previous link "rational" seems to be the opposite of mentally ill.

Now, if I interpret the word "rational" in my own way, I am very much so. But with the new meaning I learned now, then no, I'm not.

* I had to rethink the whole answer, I didn't expect it, that's why everything has been so empty.

//

Si atenem a la definició següent:

Doncs no, hahaha. Jo pensava en una altra definició força diferent, pero pel que sembla en l'enllaç anterior "racional" sembla ser el contrari de malalt mental.

Ara bé, si interpreto la paraula "racional" a la meva manera ho sóc moltíssim. Però amb la nova accepció que aprés ara, doncs no, no ho sóc pas.

* He hagut de replantejar-me tota la resposta, no m'ho esperava, per això ha quedat tot tan buït.
 
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Muach

Member
Jan 28, 2022
54
They say 'never consider suicide before 35 (half of the average lifetime).

i am past 35.

They say consider success (worth) of life in terms of five aspects (health, relationships, finances, intellect and sprituality):

I have none.
I just consume.
 
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Rapière

Rapière

On the brink
Jul 7, 2022
249
Seeing science and rationality as inhetently superior to faith and spontanuity is in itself an irrational, metaphysical belief that should be quesfioned.

I often find myself perplexed by how strict the moral codex of tne science-worshipping left is, who take every chance they can get to mock religious people, when morality is no less hollow and faith-based than religion. Sure, one may scientifically show that one system of morality is superior to another in reducing suffering or increasing the happiness of mankind (or all animals), but this is badically just the equivalent to theology; there is still no rational reason why one should care about acting morally in the first place.
 
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Teddybear

Teddybear

Specialist
Nov 20, 2021
335
People used to call me "Mr. Spock". I wonder what they would call me, if they could see me today?
Seeing science and rationality as inhetently superior to faith and spontanuity is in itself an irrational, metaphysical belief that should be quesfioned.

I often find myself perplexed by how strict the moral codex of tne science-worshipping left is, who take every chance they can get to mock religious people, when morality is no less hollow and faith-based than religion. Sure, one may scientifically show that one system of morality is superior to another in reducing suffering or increasing the happiness of mankind (or all animals), but this is badically just the equivalent to theology; there is still no rational reason why one should care about acting morally in the first place.
Science has become the religion of our time. With new high priests, just as immune to criticism as the old ones were.
 
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Callie Arcale

Callie Arcale

It’s a tale told by an idiot signifying nothing
Feb 10, 2021
854
Not at all rational.
I have very strong emotions and I have a hard time controlling them.
I am very impulsive and act on feelings.
No bueno. I'm a recipe for disaster.
 
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makethepainstop

makethepainstop

Visionary
Sep 16, 2022
2,032
Very logical, I am. I have correctly assessed my situation for health, finances, and love. I have reasoned that as none of the three can possibly improve, I should terminate. Logical to a fault, not irrational in any sense.
 
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myfinalform

myfinalform

Member
Oct 12, 2022
65
i always been driven from emotions, so no rational, maybe just a little bit, if i wasnt soo emotional i would never be in this situation i am
 
Angst Filled Fuck Up

Angst Filled Fuck Up

Visionary
Sep 9, 2018
2,912
@Rational man
@rationaltake

I'm betting you guys are deeply irrational and your usernames are ironic.
 
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