Discussion How many ppl on here actually Ctbd with inert gas?

[heavenplzhelp77]

Hey has anybody here successfully Ctbd with the inert gas method? Just for reference how many persons on here that we actually know of did it with success?!

 

[beardyoldcorpse]

Ehhhhh! If they were successful…how they going to reply???

 

[Maggiemags]

Ehhhhh! If they were successful…how they going to reply???

A lot announce when theyre going and stop responding afterwards so you can at least speculate.

 

[b1cycle]

Ehhhhh! If they were successful…how they going to reply???

This, we are never going to have realistic data on these things.

 

[heavenplzhelp77]

Ehhhhh! If they were successful…how they going to reply???

Bro they make a post saying that they're about to do it and attempt after they do when there's no sing or any further signal from them for a while it just means it worked, not too complicated really

 

[Kapsyl]

Inert gas methods are quite rare compared to more popular methods, I believe they were more popular before the helium shortage and mostly by elders. Looking at this forum alone, we're only a few active members left since the others either ctb or left.

I found this study which shows the chosen suicide methods around the Amsterdam area, exit bag with inert gas only stood for 3,38% out of 1048 between the years 2005-2014!

This doesn't necessarily prove it's not effective, only that's quite rare. Surprisingly more people ctb with exit bags without inert gas. Read more here —->

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Number-of-suicides-annually-using-and-exit-bag-with-helium-versus-other-suicides-with_fig1_307556130

 

[heavenplzhelp77]

Inert gas methods are quite rare compared to more popular methods, I believe they were more popular before the helium shortage and mostly by elders. Looking at this forum alone, we're only a few active members left since the others either ctb or left.

I found this study which shows the chosen suicide methods around the Amsterdam area, exit bag with inert gas only stood for 3,38% out of 1048 between the years 2005-2014!

This doesn't necessarily prove it's not effective, only that's quite rare. Surprisingly more people ctb with exit bags without inert gas. Read more here —->

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Number-of-suicides-annually-using-and-exit-bag-with-helium-versus-other-suicides-with_fig1_307556130

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I found this gas mask it looks exactly like the recommend type it's like an scba mask but you can buy it on it's own without the whole thing, if it's the right one why aren't more people just buying it directly?

 

[Kapsyl]

I found this gas mask it looks exactly like the recommend type it's like an scba mask but you can buy it on it's own without the whole thing, if it's the right one why aren't more people just buying it directly?

I asked that very same question when I first joined Sasu, my whole method have actually been worked around this very concept.

Initial problems is that you can't directly connect a constant flow setup to an airtight system efficiently. To be able to breathe in such a setup it would require a really high flow to sufficiently supply nitrogen during that small window when taking a breath. When not breathing that high flow will build pressure around the mask and leak out around the edges of the mask or another weak point.

How eebd hoods work around this problem I'm not sure, but it has to do that the mask not being as airtight and the use of a neck liner.

My solution to the problem is using a secondary reservoir tank which is filled with nitrogen at atmospheric pressure. The mask is then connected to this reservoir tank and thus I have worked around the problem of not having enough nitrogen at each breath and at a lower flow rate. An overpressure valve is also fitted to relief the pressure inside the reservoir instead of the mask.

There's no off the shelf parts to construct such a reservoir tank and require some DIY work, mainly drilling and ensuring an airtight setup. Hoses from the mask are available in some mask, many use 40mm nato standard even on civilian products.

It isn't really that hard to construct such a setup, but suicidal people aren't famous for building things and many are in a hurry.

 

[heavenplzhelp77]

I asked that very same question when I first joined Sasu, my whole method have actually been worked around this very concept.

Initial problems is that you can't directly connect a constant flow setup to an airtight system efficiently. To be able to breathe in such a setup it would require a really high flow to sufficiently supply nitrogen during that small window when taking a breath. When not breathing that high flow will build pressure around the mask and leak out around the edges of the mask or another weak point.

How eebd hoods work around this problem I'm not sure, but it has to do that the mask not being as airtight and the use of a neck liner.

My solution to the problem is using a secondary reservoir tank which is filled with nitrogen at atmospheric pressure. The mask is then connected to this reservoir tank and thus I have worked around the problem of not having enough nitrogen at each breath and at a lower flow rate. An overpressure valve is also fitted to relief the pressure inside the reservoir instead of the mask.

There's no off the shelf parts to construct such a reservoir tank and require some DIY work, mainly drilling and ensuring an airtight setup. Hoses from the mask are available in some mask, many use 40mm nato standard even on civilian products.

It isn't really that hard to construct such a setup, but suicidal people aren't famous for building things and many are in a hurry.

Wait doesn't adding a lung demand valve to that mask just solve the problem? Why would it work without a problem with the scba which is also airtight and looks like it's made the same! Isn't the demand valve what makes the difference

 

[Kapsyl]

Wait doesn't adding a lung demand valve to that mask just solve the problem? Why would it work without a problem with the scba which is also airtight and looks like it's made the same! Isn't the demand valve what makes the difference

On demand valves aren't compatible with gas mask treads what I know of, but yes that would essentially solve that problem.

The main advantage of using a constant flow gas mask setup is to circumvent the needs for the expensive parts of a full out scba/scuba setup. It only requires a regulator and flowmeter which is much easier to source than finding the domestic adapter which fits your particular setup, It's also significantly cheaper.

So why doesn't everyone just use a scba setup? Regardless of reason this is an alternative to scba just like eebd hoods etc. People choose method which fits their budget or availability of parts.

 

[heavenplzhelp77]

On demand valves aren't compatible with gas mask treads what I know of, but yes that would essentially solve that problem.

The main advantage of using a constant flow gas mask setup is to circumvent the needs for the expensive parts of a full out scba/scuba setup. It only requires a regulator and flowmeter which is much easier to source than finding the domestic adapter which fits your particular setup, It's also significantly cheaper.

So why doesn't everyone just use a scba setup? Regardless of reason this is an alternative to scba just like eebd hoods etc. People choose method which fits their budget or availability of parts.

By the way I'm guessing a scuba diving system can work just as well the properties are the same and u can test it as well

 

[Kapsyl]

By the way I'm guessing a scuba diving system can work just as well the properties are the same and u can test it as well

Scuba absolutely works, a user here recently ctb with it.