How can people think there are no fates worse than death

[RosebyAnyName]

... when things like locked-in syndrome (complete body paralysis) exist?

I researched it out of morbid curiousity (big mistake) and the articles I come across in my research were about how "people with locked-in syndrome totally still live meaningful and healthy lives" and it just sounds like a huge cope because people aren't willing to admit that there really are fates worse than death. And the worst part is that, although its rare, it's unavoidable / completely random. It could happen to anyone. And even worse, usually people without medical intervention will eventually naturally die (of starvation, you can't eat normally with full body paralysis), so mother nature has some checks and balances to make sure you aren't suffering forever. However, the absolute smoothbrains of the world for some reason think it's a good idea to force people with this condition to live against their will in this horrible state because "suicide always bad, life always good."

No offense, but if I had complete body paralysis and could only communicate with only vertical eye movement then the only thing I will say is "kill me kill me kill me kill me," maybe the pro-life idiots of the world would finally get the message. Or, maybe they'd only get the message if they were actually forced to live with it, in which case then nobody would take them seriously. Funny how that works.

Medical system is fucked. Make euthanasia accessible (especially those with severe, incurable health complications).

 

[brokeandbroken]

... when things like locked-in syndrome (complete body paralysis) exist?

I researched it out of morbid curiousity (big mistake) and the articles I come across in my research were about how "people with locked-in syndrome totally still live meaningful and healthy lives" and it just sounds like a huge cope because people aren't willing to admit that there really are fates worse than death. And the worst part is that, although its rare, it's unavoidable / completely random. It could happen to anyone. And even worse, usually people without medical intervention will eventually naturally die (of starvation, you can't eat normally with full body paralysis), so mother nature has some checks and balances to make sure you aren't suffering forever. However, the absolute smoothbrains of the world for some reason think it's a good idea to force people with this condition to live against their will in this horrible state because "suicide always bad, life always good."

No offense, but if I had complete body paralysis and could only communicate with only vertical eye movement then the only thing I will say is "kill me kill me kill me kill me," maybe the pro-life idiots of the world would finally get the message. Or, maybe they'd only get the message if they were actually forced to live with it, in which case then nobody would take them seriously. Funny how that works.

Medical system is fucked. Make euthanasia accessible (especially those with severe, incurable health complications).

I think they don't think through things critically that's why. Or they live in their perfect little bubble and don't think through life's we will say imperfections.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I agree with you- that death seems far more appealing to a whole bunch of things. But then- that isn't all that logical either. I've never experienced death (that I remember.) I don't know for sure what comes after. (Hopefully nothing but, who knows?) It's a weird statement either way really because, we are comparing something relatively known about- life, with something we actually know nothing about- death.

I suppose for people who fear hell might be real- that could also be pretty bad! Again, hopefully it doesn't exist but, who knows for sure?

I imagine most of the people who say this aren't suicidal though. They truly want to hang on to their lives for as long as possible because, for some bizarre reason, it still seems worthwhile to them. I agree though, they likely haven't thought it through properly- what life would actually be like if their quality of life plummeted.

 

[frost_]

... when things like locked-in syndrome (complete body paralysis) exist?

I researched it out of morbid curiousity (big mistake) and the articles I come across in my research were about how "people with locked-in syndrome totally still live meaningful and healthy lives" and it just sounds like a huge cope because people aren't willing to admit that there really are fates worse than death. And the worst part is that, although its rare, it's unavoidable / completely random. It could happen to anyone. And even worse, usually people without medical intervention will eventually naturally die (of starvation, you can't eat normally with full body paralysis), so mother nature has some checks and balances to make sure you aren't suffering forever. However, the absolute smoothbrains of the world for some reason think it's a good idea to force people with this condition to live against their will in this horrible state because "suicide always bad, life always good."

No offense, but if I had complete body paralysis and could only communicate with only vertical eye movement then the only thing I will say is "kill me kill me kill me kill me," maybe the pro-life idiots of the world would finally get the message. Or, maybe they'd only get the message if they were actually forced to live with it, in which case then nobody would take them seriously. Funny how that works.

Medical system is fucked. Make euthanasia accessible (especially those with severe, incurable health complications).

I thought you had to be exaggerating, because how can a fully paralyzed person that can only move their eyes have a healthy and meaningful life?

The very first search link is a study measuring the quality of life of people with locked in syndrome. And incredibly, they report the same average quality of life.

 

[FuneralCry]

I find it so horrific how there is no limit as to how much one can suffer in this terrible, torturous existence, personally I'd prefer to not exist no matter what, I only hope to never exist again.

 

[eden101]

maybe they are scared to admit this, because then that means = their life one day might not be worth living and then what do they do..?

 

[yellowjester]

Cognirive dissonance. Their brain protects from finding a truth that would be so detrimental to their mental health that it could threaten their very existence. It's a very important mechanism.

 

[sancta-simplicitas]

Most people operate on a "this won't happen to me"-mindset to be able to protect their own psyches. That's a big part in why people tend to take stupid risks too.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

What's worse than death - if a life is running perfectly fine then probably death is the worst that can ever stop that life until natural death bc of old age. If it's different then death is the one and only relief from all suffering and pain in this life.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

To me my Death is the best thing by a trillion times.

Death = non-existence forever. What could be better ? It's the only thing with zero pain zero suffering zero problems, no bad memories. What life has zero pain zero problems zero suffering? Who has never suffered pain? Who has never had a very difficult problem or horrible thing happen? there is no reason to put up with any work, chores , problems , suffering, threats , etc

The only reason we have to put up with all those bad things is because we were brought here without our consent and are alive

I'm jealous of the non-existent. I don't envy any sentient creature that can suffer unbearable pain.

Non-existence frees one from all responsibilities, all work, all problems , all threats at once and forever.

 

[shame]

To me my Death is the best thing by a trillion times.

Death = non-existence forever. What could be better ? It's the only thing with zero pain zero suffering zero problems, no bad memories. What life has zero pain zero problems zero suffering? Who has never suffered pain? Who has never had a very difficult problem or horrible thing happen? there is no reason to put up with any work, chores , problems , suffering, threats , etc

The only reason we have to put up with all those bad things is because we were brought here without our consent and are alive

I'm jealous of the non-existent. I don't envy any sentient creature that can suffer unbearable pain.

Non-existence frees one from all responsibilities, all work, all problems , all threats at once and forever.

I can't imagine non-existence.. maybe I just don't have to..
It's like everything appeared out of nothing then go to nowhere. I know I might sound stupid, it's just some thoughts.

 

[eden101]

I can't imagine non-existence.. maybe I just don't have to..
It's like everything appeared out of nothing then go to nowhere. I know I might sound stupid, it's just some thoughts.

yes, we humans cant imagine it, our brains arent fit to imagine absolute nothing. the universe is so scary, no matter what, even if something came out of nothing or returns to nothing, it still makes no sense to me and i cant comprehend it

 

[Manfrotto99]

We do not exist in absolutely nothingness or non existence so we are cannot conceive it. I find it strange how some people on here talk about looking forward to peace or nothingness when they die as if they will experience this state of freedom, yet how can we experience nothingness when we are unable to actually perceive it if we are dead? I hope we experience peace but there must be some state of existence after death for our souls to be able to experience this.

As far as people with locked in syndrome or something equally disturbing. I guess they are still alive and therefore can experience something. Is that better than death? I don't know and its not up to may to make a judgement. If they have loving supportive caring families and they can still experience this love, then it is something that many of us on here, including myself have never received.

 

[shame]

We do not exist in absolutely nothingness or non existence so we are cannot conceive it. I find it strange how some people on here talk about looking forward to peace or nothingness when they die as if they will experience this state of freedom, yet how can we experience nothingness when we are unable to actually perceive it if we are dead? I hope we experience peace but there must be some state of existence after death for our souls to be able to experience this.

As far as people with locked in syndrome or something equally disturbing. I guess they are still alive and therefore can experience something. Is that better than death? I don't know and its not up to may to make a judgement. If they have loving supportive caring families and they can still experience this love, then it is something that many of us on here, including myself have never received.

What are your beliefs?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I can't imagine non-existence.. maybe I just don't have to..
It's like everything appeared out of nothing then go to nowhere. I know I might sound stupid, it's just some thoughts.

@shame @ all

Did any of "us" exist for 13 .8 Billion years before we were born? No . And why was that a problem and not bliss?. it was bliss because I wasn't in this nightmare called life and this evil world. Back in the year 1859 I didn't exist so I couldn't suffer couldn't suffer unending constant unbearable pain . The microsecond I was born yes then I could suffer unending unbearable pain . Suddenly I was under many threats from diseases , parasites , accidents, scams , old age , Injustice, homelessness, starvation, oppression, evil etc . The problems began for me only when I was birthed into this evil world as a fragile decaying animal.

We have to work constantly at a job , chores , to do lists just to exist in this dangerous state so something unimaginably horrible can happen to you. There is no reason to do anything much less work so hard to be under such threats

what are you that "exists" now ? I bet I have a different definition of what I am what a human is than any other human. What is ur definition of what are you that exists and what is a human?

Do we exist when in a deep dreamless sleep or under anesthesia? No

To me I'm just a brain 86 billion monstrous braincells neurons that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain: why is that something good, something to desire , something to want to keep going and better than non-existence .

I've been programmed with a lot of ridiculous habits and addictions that are meaningless like watching youtube videos social media Tv . Do I exist when watching TV or am I what is going on that these eyes are seeing on the dumb TV or video? Is that why I exist to do all that garbage all day ? Al that is meaningless . Life is meaningless. Nothing matters . Nothing matters except avoiding extreme pain. Why do I have to do anything even live? There is no reason

Who am I that monstrous sperm, zygote, or when I was 1 year old and knew nothing . Am I the same garbage I was then .? No . The brain changes with every experience. Nobody thinks it's strange I was 2 feet tall as a month old baby and before that a single cell a zygote , a sperm?

What are we but the thing we are thinking about or experiencing. We become that click bait video .the problem is we will become unending constant unbearable pain

You go back in time to any second of the 13.8 billion years before I was born and every single one of those I had no problems no bad memories no pain no suffering no threats no worries no responsibilities. That's non-existence = Death . They have most believing that's really bad . It's not. What's bad is living life and this world

 

[Manfrotto99]

What are your beliefs?

Christian undergoing a crises of faith atm. Regardless, I do not believe in the Christian doctrine that says we are condemned to hell for taking our life. There is no real basis for this and I believe it is a social construct.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

Reminds me of when the video came out for Metallica "One" with clips from the movie "Johnny Got His Gun" based on an anti war novel after WW1. The protagonist has all his limbs blown off and his face making him deaf, blind and mute. It has him voicing his thoughts and suffering in his head, it's disturbing.

My dad was more or less "locked in" in his last month of life. We were estranged so it took that long to find me. I was given two options, let them disco the tube and give him morphine to expire on his own or have them cut a trach and prop him up in a low budget nursing home as a vegetable. He rallied a moment of lucidity recognizing me and when I asked him if he wanted to leave pointing upward, the way he emphatically nodded "yes" is something I will never forget. The eyes of a man in hell. I can only imagine that last month in the hospital bed as I believe he was partially lucid but unable to communicate. Lesson learned is to have a legal "do not resuscitate" aka DNR to prevent such medical nightmares though there have been miraculous recoveries so I guess it's up to the individual.

 

[mrtime87]

If states adopted more death with dignity laws suicide rates would go down by a lot.

Having to resort to a gun or hanging seems so cruel when there are ways of ending ones life peacefully.

My dilemma is that I don't have a terminal illness. If we make bad decisions, does that exclude us from euthanasia?

 

[Wolf Girl]

There are some people with severely life-limiting disabilities who lead fulfilling lives and feel okay. Be careful not to project your negative feelings onto others.

 

[dumed1]

Some people enjoy their own thoughts. I don't right now, but I have in the past, so I can understand how someone who can't move would still want to live.