How can Nembutal or Pentobarbital be so rare??

[voldetort785]

I literally can't understand this - the world works on supply and demand. There are many, many other drugs that are either illegal or used for other purposes (Ozempic, for example). I could get my hands my Heroin, cocaine very easily if I wanted to. People can access organs through the black market, human slavery, sex trafficking exists etc. I'm obviously not condoning these things, but I can't understand how Nembutal is so hard to get, given the money that could be made from it. I mean, we all want to die here - I would of course hand over my life savings to someone who could offer me genuine Nembutal, wouldn't you?? It's just so strange that it seems to be the one drug that you literally cannot get.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

I think it's hard to get for the very reason you want it, because it's restricted due to how suicide is committed with it. I'm not sure though, I just know it went off market a long time ago, and you have to travel to different countries to obtain it. Other drugs aren't so hard to get because people don't typically kill themselves with them. Then again, you could easily overdose on fentanyl.

 

[J&L383]

Other drugs aren't so hard to get because people don't typically kill themselves with them.

You hit the nail on the coffin. Drug dealers like repeat customers. Also it's a very small niche market. And hard to manufacture, or smuggle from the small sources that exist.

 

[snallygaster]

Because there's little point in selling drugs that are meant to kill folks. Heroin users can overdose yes, but most of them live to buy more and that makes more money than a one-time sale, one-time because you can't sell to the dead.

 

[NeverReallyHere]

Because there's not really that much of a market for it. If you need something to relax you, benzos are a lot easer to get and much safer. So the only real demand for barbiturates anymore (outside of the medical profession) comes from people like us.

 

[voldetort785]

Because there's little point in selling drugs that are meant to kill folks. Heroin users can overdose yes, but most of them live to buy more and that makes more money than a one-time sale, one-time because you can't sell to the dead.

True, but one typical bag of heroin doesn't sell for a (relatively large) amount. How many people here would happily hand over their life savings for nembutal? People can't afford to pay an astronomical amount for one go of heroin because the high will go and youll need to buy it again. However, you can hand over all your money for nembutal because you're not going to need it afterwards, right?

 

[maniac116]

With N there's a short supply.
With phenobarbital, its available but its a very short acting barbiturate, & as such, its probably not a good choice.

 

[escape_from_hell]

I'm not sure about the no repeat customer argument, since I would probably pay 10's of thousands for a legit proper euthanasia experience. I'm sure others who want to die would spare no expense to end this evil, other than whatever money they want to leave for others.

It really speaks to just how taboo anything other than a pro-life stance is that simply dying in peace is more difficult than the food delivery ease with which dark netters are ordering sex slaves and terror attacks.

The powers that be really, really, really want torture to persist. Is loosh theory real?

 

[voldetort785]

I'm not sure about the no repeat customer argument, since I would probably pay 10's of thousands for a legit proper euthanasia experience. I'm sure others who want to die would spare no expense to end this evil, other than whatever money they want to leave for others.

It really speaks to just how taboo anything other than a pro-life stance is that simply dying in peace is more difficult than the food delivery ease with which dark netters are ordering sex slaves and terror attacks.

The powers that be really, really, really want torture to persist. Is loosh theory real?

Exactly!! How can it be in such short supply when people would definitely empty their savings account for it. Also, I saw a thread on reddit from someone who made pentobarbital crystals and they also went through the process of how they made it (not a chemist, so a lot of things didn't make sense to me, but I'm considering trying to learn chemistry to see can I make the damn stuff myself!). They wanted a small amount to get high, not to off themselves (apparently).

I also wonder if there are ways to negotiate facilitating a heart transplant on the dark net, I would gladly give mine as long as anaesthesia is involved!

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

I imagine many drug dealers wouldn't feel comfortable selling something that kills their customers, and not just for ethical reasons. In the US pentobarbital is schedule ii which carries long prison sentences, especially when death occurs. That in combination with any manslaughter or assisted suicide laws that might be invoked would make it one of the riskiest drugs possible to traffick.

Even if a dealer was willing to take the risk, it would be difficult to find a supply. Veternarians aren't going to risk their careers and prison time to divert legitimate supplies. There also isn't a massive market like for meth and fentanyl that could spawn illicit manufacturers. Maybe someone could produce it and distribute via the dark web, but who would trust them?

 

[escape_from_hell]

Veternarians aren't going to risk their careers and prison time to divert legitimate supplies.

Aren't veterinarians one of the big suppliers for xylazine aka tranq which is purportedly turning people into flesh-rotting zombies?

That raises an important question, if people are going to South America hoping to source Nembutal...Is it that difficult to acquire from vendors for pet euthanasia in the USA? Surely some bribes or petty theft would make it somewhat feasible in the states?

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Aren't veterinarians one of the big suppliers for xylazine aka tranq which is purportedly turning people into flesh-rotting zombies?

That raises an important question, if people are going to South America hoping to source Nembutal...Is it that difficult to acquire from vendors for pet euthanasia in the USA? Surely some bribes or petty theft would make it somewhat feasible in the states?

Xylazine is in a different category because it's not a classified as a controlled substance. People can buy it through the internet without questions. It's also available from Chinese sources. I'm not sure much of it is diverted from veterinary sources, but if any is it wouldn't be nearly the same severity of crime as stealing N.

I really can't imagine bribing a veternarian for N in the USA. They're paid well and wouldn't jeopordize their career and freedom (let alone the ethical concerns). Of course there always is someone corrupt out there, but how to find them? I'm not walking from vet to vet asking for N, that's for sure.

 

[dontwakemeup]

It would be wonderful if someone sold it! Yes the person wouldn't be a repeat customer but people would spend their savings to get some. I sure would!

 

[suffering_mo]

I imagine many drug dealers wouldn't feel comfortable selling something that kills their customers, and not just for ethical reasons. In the US pentobarbital is schedule ii which carries long prison sentences, especially when death occurs. That in combination with any manslaughter or assisted suicide laws that might be invoked would make it one of the riskiest drugs possible to traffick.

Even if a dealer was willing to take the risk, it would be difficult to find a supply. Veternarians aren't going to risk their careers and prison time to divert legitimate supplies. There also isn't a massive market like for meth and fentanyl that could spawn illicit manufacturers. Maybe someone could produce it and distribute via the dark web, but who would trust them?

Cocaine and fentanyl are also Schedule 2 but aren't they both sold on black markets and by dealers? Interestingly enough, the person who got caught selling N from Mexico, and is awaiting trial, is only on charges for drug dealing and importing... nothing to do with suicide or assisting suicide, which is clearly what he was doing...as documented. If he wasn't selling so frequently and in the way that he was, he probably would never have gotten charged. He was also in Mexico, so right over the border....even still, it took a really, really long time, many years, for them to gather evidence and to charge him. He was warned ahead of time that they knew he was selling and, 2 years later, he was still doing it.

It would be wonderful if someone sold it! Yes the person wouldn't be a repeat customer but people would spend their savings to get some. I sure would!

Yes and many would spend a lot. The thing is you would need unopened bottles from a trusted seller, and would want to make sure you would get it....to be willing to put up a lot of cash.

It would be wonderful if someone sold it! Yes the person wouldn't be a repeat customer but people would spend their savings to get some. I sure would!

Yes and many would spend a lot. The thing is you would need unopened bottles from a trusted seller, and would want to make sure you would get it....to be willing to put up a lot of cash.

 

[Overwhelmed52]

Since it's used for animals, you think there'd be more of black market for it. People could just say that they plan on using it for an animal at home (and probably some would). I'm hoping at least some countries will realize these restrictions are not necessary. I really wish I could get some, just for peace of mind, and would travel to get it. It can't even be used to secretly harm someone else-- it tastes very strong so it's not as though someone could sneak it into another person's drink or something.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Cocaine and fentanyl are also Schedule 2 but aren't they both sold on black markets and by dealers? Interestingly enough, the person who got caught selling N from Mexico, and is awaiting trial, is only on charges for drug dealing and importing... nothing to do with suicide or assisting suicide, which is clearly what he was doing...as documented. If he wasn't selling so frequently and in the way that he was, he probably would never have gotten charged. He was also in Mexico, so right over the border....even still, it took a really, really long time, many years, for them to gather evidence and to charge him. He was warned ahead of time that they knew he was selling and, 2 years later, he was still doing it.

My point about schedule 2 drugs is that judges have to follow mandatory sentencing guidelines which make the pentalties jump dramatically when death results. For example the minimum sentence for trafficking 100g of heroin is 5 years, and that jumps to 20 years to life if death results. That's like a second degree murder sentence, and I'm not sure many dealers would be comfortable selling N if the penalties are basically the same as for murder, unlike standard drug trafficking charges where you can get out after a few years (the average is 7 years).

That guy from Mexico was caught by Homeland Security Investigations, and they're part of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency so it's not surprising they're only focusing on the drug importing and distribution aspect of his activity. Other jurisdictions could potentially prosecute later. Still, even though they're only prosecuting for drug trafficking right now, the charges are still punishable by up to 60 years in prison. That's no slap on the wrist, that's the kind of sentence a leader of a large-scale trafficking organization would receive.

 

[suffering_mo]

My point about schedule 2 drugs is that judges have to follow mandatory sentencing guidelines which make the pentalties jump dramatically when death results. For example the minimum sentence for trafficking 100g of heroin is 5 years, and that jumps to 20 years to life if death results. That's like a second degree murder sentence, and I'm not sure many dealers would be comfortable selling N if the penalties are basically the same as for murder, unlike standard drug trafficking charges where you can get out after a few years (the average is 7 years).

That guy from Mexico was caught by Homeland Security Investigations, and they're part of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency so it's not surprising they're only focusing on the drug importing and distribution aspect of his activity. Other jurisdictions could potentially prosecute later. Still, even though they're only prosecuting for drug trafficking right now, the charges are still punishable by up to 60 years in prison. That's no slap on the wrist, that's the kind of sentence a leader of a large-scale trafficking organization would receive.

I get what you are saying. Lots of sellers, though, taking the risk to make money, knowing that people die from those drugs all the time. Generally, law enforcement focuses on the big, frequent sellers of those drugs, especially because of lots of selling to young people and kids. So much focus has been on fentanyl and opioids and meth because of the sheer number of lives ruined and death, yet people are still taking the risk to sell. Law enforcement only has so much time to pursue these criminals. And these days, not a lot of jail/prison space. Anyhow , this discussion is pretty fruitless because we can't get N. It's not anything easily obtainable for anyone to sell, unfortunately.

As far as guy in Mexico, yes, that's a big possible sentence but he did it for like 6 years and sold a ton of it.

https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling