Venting Hope is poison

[onewayroad]

I'm sick of hearing people talk about having hope like it's the best thing a person can do, especially if they have a mental illness.

Fuck them and fuck hope.

Hope is basically a mixture of faith and expectation. And faith is believing something with no evidence, which is an entirely stupid thing to do, and expectation well... if there is one thing I have learnt, it's that expectations should always be kept to a minimum in this life.

Hope is a fucking noxious garbage emotion and having it will nearly always fuck you in the end, and the next person who mentions hope to me is in for a surprisingly unpleasant response.


Ok, I'm done.

 

[SiArc]

<.< >.>

I wanna be that person. Poke the bear. But I won't

I hope you stay hopeless???

 

[gnrluver0105]

"You know, hope is a mistake. If you can't fix what's broken, you'll, uh... you'll go insane."
-Max Rockatansky

Yeah, hope, expectations, faith, being exited for something, sure are ways to go insane and to be more depressed in the end.

 

[Kyrok]

Hope is failure waiting to happen.

 

[LifeSick]

I don't know, you either live with hope or give up and ctb. Sure disappointments are fucking depressing, but living expecting the worse is worse. Unfortunately I'm too sckeptical to be hopeful but I can't kill myself either.

 

[onewayroad]

I don't know, you either live with hope or give up and ctb. Sure disappointments are fucking depressing, but living expecting the worse is worse. Unfortunately I'm too sckeptical to be hopeful but I can't kill myself either.

I know what you mean, but I think you can live without hope. I do. I've been suicidal more than ten years and the reason I'm still alive is because I feel obliged to try every possible treatment. I think suicide should generally only be a last option. And I haven't exhausted all my options yet.

But that doesn't mean I feel hope that I will get treatment that works, actually I will be extremely surprised if I do. It's just something I have to do to justify my death. I wouldn't apply that moral code to anyone else, it's just a personal thing.

Anyway it's the reason I'm alive despite being suicidal and hopeless, so I don't think you need hope. Ultimately it just fucks you.

 

[sólstafir]

when I'm talking to my online friends and they suffer from something, I always say things like 'I hope you'll feel better soon' and I really mean it from the heart, so it's like I have hope in these every day life things for others, but I'm not selfish enough to have hope for myself, kinda hate hope too because of mental illness, and I get your post.

 

[JazzyWolfWhistle]

But you could say that you have hope a treatment option will work for you, couldn't you?

 

[Kyrok]

Hope is disappointment waiting to happen

 

[MsM3talGamer]

Hope is a sneaky way for the universe to keep us here suffering.

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Urm some people are hoping to build the courage to CTB and hoping its successful. I hear you, just when i see posts like this its very one sided.

 

[15dec]

Maybe abandoning hope and just taking whatever happens with no expectations is the easiest way to do things. Though I always seem to have at least a little bit of hope no matter how hard I try and get rid of it

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

i think a guy called nitzsche discussed this already

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

It really is. I hate that I have a natural streak of optimism because the only reward I ever get for it is a kick in the balls. Every year seems to be worse than the last but I have so many issues regarding ctb that I'm not sure I'll ever be able to go through with it. I can't stand the idea of hurting those around me this much and with how sick I am in general, I am leaning towards firearm being the only suitable method for me. But of course, I can't access one. This eternal limbo is torturous.

 

[therhydler]

It's a shame it doesn't kill

 

[TAW122]

You've spoken my mind. This whole concept of faith and hope is really full of shit. It's nothing better than platitudes (well actually, it is one of the many platitudes that normies and most people speak of) and just virtue signals. Just like the phrase and platitude of "Pray for xyz tragedy", "Thoughts and prayers", "I'll pray for you" to name a few. It is really just a way of people to feel like they've done something useful while in fact they haven't done shit. They want to feel good for pretending to give a shit (just as most of society) without lifting a damn finger to solve problems or improve stuff.

I've gotten into an argument with a few people IRL when I get encouraging (empty) words and led to a verbal confrontation. At the end, they accused me of being negative, pessimistic, and rude/obnoxious. Fuck those people, their heads are so far up their asses that they can't even see sunshine when there is sunshine. I've long since moved on from arguing with those fuckheads.

Hope is basically a mixture of faith and expectation. And faith is believing something with no evidence, which is an entirely stupid thing to do, and expectation well... if there is one thing I have learnt, it's that expectations should always be kept to a minimum in this life.

Hope is a fucking noxious garbage emotion and having it will nearly always fuck you in the end.

Anyways, I love your definition and it's really straight to the point.

 

[Pulpit2018]

Hope sucks!!!

 

[onewayroad]

Maybe abandoning hope and just taking whatever happens with no expectations is the easiest way to do things. Though I always seem to have at least a little bit of hope no matter how hard I try and get rid of it

Yeah, I suppose that's one of the reasons I'm pissed off about hope. Even though I know it's poison, I keep catching myself having intrusive thoughts hoping for stupid things that will never happen. I know those thoughts are going to hurt me in the end but my mind just spits them out. And then to have people tell me to 'have hope' or similar when I'm fighting so hard against it to protect myself, I can't stand it.

 

[Alastor]

I'm sick of hearing people talk about having hope like it's the best thing a person can do, especially if they have a mental illness

Definitely. It's the same as people constantly telling you: "Just get over it and stop being sad." Pure ignorance.

But still a different thing is feeling hope for himself. I don't know if anyone can relate, but no matter how fed up I was with life, no matter how sure I was that that there would be no way I could possibly go on, there was always this voice in my mind, stuck in there like a parasite, convincing me to keep going because "what if...". Hope is the cruelest thing there is, giving you false expectations that you actually believe in. And when they are destroyed, this hope is still there to tell you that maybe next time everything will work out just fine. And I am so stupid to fall for that every time. Feels like a goddamned torture...

Sorry for the bitching:/

i think a guy called nitzsche discussed this already

One of the best things I ever read ..

 

[JJ-NOHOPE]

I already posted this poem I wrote in another thread, but it states how I feel about hope:


New Years Poem

The old year dies,
Full of tears and blood,
Death of loved ones,
And loss of hope.

The new year is born,
Empty with loneliness,
Death waiting for so many,
And hope is still lost.

 

[Hunter]

It really is. I hate that I have a natural streak of optimism because the only reward I ever get for it is a kick in the balls. Every year seems to be worse than the last but I have so many issues regarding ctb that I'm not sure I'll ever be able to go through with it. I can't stand the idea of hurting those around me this much and with how sick I am in general, I am leaning towards firearm being the only suitable method for me. But of course, I can't access one. This eternal limbo is torturous.

Why a gun? That's arguably the most difficult method to go through with. It's like asking to be stuck in limbo.

 

[BA81]

People often feel hopeless because they are unable to find a suitable solution to a problem that they are facing. The lower the probability of finding a suitable solution the more hopeless a person can become. The more hopeless a person becomes the more likely they will be overwhelmed with negative emotions which prevents critical thinking and problem solving to be performed by that person.

If anybody is feeling hopeless then try seeking advice from a third-party, preferably a third-party that has hope for you. Even if you don't have hope for yourself it's possible for you to still depend on somebody else.

Hope is a means to finding solutions to problems. Hope is valuable. If you can't find a way to hope for yourself than find somebody that can provide hope for you on your behalf. Don't be trapped by hopelessness.

 

[Stillnotsure]

Why a gun? That's arguably the most difficult method to go through with. It's like asking to be stuck in limbo.

I respectfully disagree. While using a gum may be a difficult possibility for you, for others it's just as easy as taking N and falling asleep. May I answer any questions for you about guns? It's a very successful and valid method for those who properly research it.

 

[Hunter]

I respectfully disagree. While using a gum may be a difficult possibility for you, for others it's just as easy as taking N and falling asleep. May I answer any questions for you about guns? It's a very successful and valid method for those who properly research it.

I don't have any questions about guns. But I have known people who got stuck in a suicidal limbo because when they tried to shoot themselves, they were terrified. The feeling of having a cold metal barrel in their mouth and their finger on the trigger was too much. They eventually had to switch methods. To each his own, but I think people really underestimate the difficulty of shooting themselves.

 

[Stillnotsure]

I don't have any questions about guns. But I have known people who got stuck in a suicidal limbo because when they tried to shoot themselves, they were terrified. The feeling of having metal barrel in their mouths and their finger on the trigger was too much. They eventually had to switch to a peaceful method after struggling with a weapon for many months.

Ah I see, you'll find many many people on here have struggled with whichever method they have chosen in the same manner. I hope not to deter people from choosing reliable methods, some violent, some peaceful, but to each their own right?

 

[ReadyasEver]

I do not have any hope for myself, life has dealt its cards to me. But hope is very relevant to each person's specific situation. I have two grown children who are healthy, intelligent, and good young adults. I do have hope for them, that they stay vigilant and healthy, avoiding what has become of me.

 

[خوف]

I've always had some hope and faith throughout my life but four months ago, I had the most I ever had. It only lasted for a month. I've lost it all now and I don't see a point in it.

 

[mattwitt]

In "The Hunger Games" movies President Snow said "Hope is the only thing stronger than fear."
I guess that's how it is with pro-life people.
They fear death and always hope the future will be a better place for them.