StateOfMind

StateOfMind

Liberty or Death
Apr 30, 2020
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In this case maybe it was best because that train wasn't even speeding through.
Looks like a not very thought out impulsive attempt.
"Heroic" :pfff: This woman wanted to die and he just prolonged her suffering.

 
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Shades of Grey

Shades of Grey

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I don't have a problem with the use of the word heroic here. Even if the woman regrets having been saved (something we have no way of knowing), jumping in front of a train carries a high likelihood of traumatizing others, and could potentially place innocent bystanders at risk.

If I were in his position, I'd have intervened too.
 
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WornOutLife

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I don't have a problem with the use of the word heroic here. Even if the woman regrets having been saved (something we have no way of knowing), jumping in front of a train carries a high likelihood of traumatizing others, and could potentially place innocent bystanders at risk.

If I were in his position, I'd have intervened too.

You have an interesting point there.
I was thinking the same. Maybe she's really mad about it but in the end, nobody was traumatized.

I guess she'll find another method.
 
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I don't have a problem with the use of the word heroic here. Even if the woman regrets having been saved (something we have no way of knowing), jumping in front of a train carries a high likelihood of traumatizing others, and could potentially place innocent bystanders at risk.

If I were in his position, I'd have intervened too.
Or you haven't experienced "real" suffering.
The only time I would prevent some one who is in pain stopping themselves from ctb is if their method is not good enough.
I guess she'll find another method.
That's going to be difficult once shes locked up in an asylum and or on suicide watch in general.
 
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No time to really think in that situation, so it's likely he acted more on impulse than she did.
 
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Why can't people just be left alone? The guy probably had a heavy heart, but who knows, maybe he did it to satisfy some hero complex or ego. There's nothing really heroic about this. Now that woman will probably be put in a ward or watch. She'll probably try again... it's not really worth it. It's really an impulsive situation though.
 
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gus.nixon

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Personally, I think it's more "heroic" to attempt suicide. Taking si into consideration, the act of killing one's self takes more bravery than just about anything else.
 
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Throwmyselfaway

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He might have just reacted. Like didn't think at all until it was done. I feel bad for her because her life my end up more hellish.
 
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wishicouldgoback

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Pro-lifers are beyond retarded. This world is a dumpster fire.
 
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Shades of Grey

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Or you haven't experienced "real" suffering.
Suffering does not give us carte blanche to inflict physical and/or emotional harm on others.
That's going to be difficult once shes locked up in an asylum and or on suicide watch in general.
Hospitalization is rarely indefinite. If one does not wish to risk being sectioned, perhaps they shouldn't involve innocent bystanders in their suicide attempt.

I lost a loved one to a public (and highly publicized) suicide when I was younger. That shit destroys lives.
 
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fred farkle

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You have an interesting point there.
I was thinking the same. Maybe she's really mad about it but in the end, nobody was traumatized.

I guess she'll find another method.
she may turn up here!
 
death137

death137

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This video is part "faith in humanity restored" compilation videos. I understand from the perspective of normal ppl it was a heroic act but I as a suicidal person wish he didn't reacted and let the poor woman find peace. I know its very difficult to do nothing even some suicidal ppl might try stop her but its still sad that the suffering of that woman was extended
 
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You have an interesting point there.
I was thinking the same. Maybe she's really mad about it but in the end, nobody was traumatized.

I guess she'll find another method.
She's probably on a suicide watchlist now....
 
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Nexey

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Eh, there are ways to commit suicide that don't involve giving train conductors PTSD.

That said, I've noticed there's a trend in China of showing people "saving" others from CTB. It's weird and morally questionable, even from a pro-life POV. You're exploiting the mentally ill during their most vulerable moments to get good boy points from the media.
 
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Man, people on this thread are really negative towards that rail worker. You guys do realize that this guy had a fraction of a second to think and react right? I seriously doubt he stood there and thought about the philosophies and rationalities of suicide at that moment and decided he's gonna stop her brave attempt. It's literally his job to maintain safety on that platform, and if a passenger falls in for whatever reason, a good worker would jump in and help.

If we're talking about bravery, then both of them are brave in this situation. She's tried to jump in front of a incoming train, and the rail worker jumped in and almost didn't get her out on time and both of them could have got dragged in by the train and get shredded. Suicide is the ultimate personal choice, but if you do it in a public place and situation like this, then you are involving others in your act.
 
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WornOutLife

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She's probably on a suicide watchlist now....

Oh I know what that feels like. Been a prisoner in my parent's house (and almost a psych ward) for 6 months. My doctors said "I was lucky because being free usually takes longer."
Can't fail next time.
 
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StateOfMind

StateOfMind

Liberty or Death
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Man, people on this thread are really negative towards that rail worker. You guys do realize that this guy had a fraction of a second to think and react right? I seriously doubt he stood there and thought about the philosophies and rationalities of suicide at that moment and decided he's gonna stop her brave attempt. It's literally his job to maintain safety on that platform, and if a passenger falls in for whatever reason, a good worker would jump in and help.

If we're talking about bravery, then both of them are brave in this situation. She's tried to jump in front of a incoming train, and the rail worker jumped in and almost didn't get her out on time and both of them could have got dragged in by the train and get shredded. Suicide is the ultimate personal choice, but if you do it in a public place and situation like this, then you are involving others in your act.
Just from this video its difficult to gauge the motivations of this rail worker but I suspect he's a pro-lifer and observed that woman's "odd" behavior before she went for it, so he felt he had to intervene.
 
GenesAndEnvironment

GenesAndEnvironment

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That slow ass fucking train tho :pfff::pfff::pfff:
 
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StateOfMind

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Suffering does not give us carte blanche to inflict physical and/or emotional harm on others.

Hospitalization is rarely indefinite. If one does not wish to risk being sectioned, perhaps they shouldn't involve innocent bystanders in their suicide attempt.

I lost a loved one to a public (and highly publicized) suicide when I was younger. That shit destroys lives.
You are attempting to preach moral values within a system that is inherently unethical, corrupt and unfair.
 
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Lupgevif

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Saved her from just hurting herself badly so she can attempt jumping in front of a faster train to have a more guaranteed suicide. She could've ended up just physically impaired for life and unable to re-attempt. Truly a hero.
 
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GenesAndEnvironment

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Suffering does not give us carte blanche to inflict physical and/or emotional harm on others.
Very sneaky trick to mix physical and emotional there. If someone gets "emotionally harmed" from witnessing a suicide it's on them. I'd rather it would be avoided all together, of course, by the state or free market offering various suicide methods to the public.
 
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Loser47

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Save someone with intention of solving their life problems maybe then it can be heroic
 
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Symbiote

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Prolifers would have a field day on the Internet if he didn't do what he did. "Chinese man watches as woman gets dissected by train, he's horrible". His livelihood will be ruined as much as hers. If you're going to suicide, do it when there's no one around so that all parties would be absolved from the consequences of not saving your ass.
 
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Life_and_Death

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i dont disagree with them intervening. theres the points others have made and the person could have to live feeling like a murderer for just letting her die (if thats the way they end up feeling, which is a possibility) however, tl;dr i do wish that there was a more constructive way to help her and others in that situation. basically putting someone in jail because they had a horrible life...isnt going to make it better (i think common sense left the room on that one for these people). it can be helpful, and in some cases necessary, yes. like when one optionally goes to get immediate help, to just take a break from society because it can be too much, or if someone really is a danger to themselves or others. people that really are mentally not there on a constant. and i feel safe saying that because i understand. im a danger to myself and others when things become to much (not all the time), but its not my fault. im not in control, i dont mean to. and thats what i mean when i say a danger and constantly mentally not there. i also believe that if someone honestly cant find relief from their pain, no matter what it is. then they should be allowed doctor assisted suicide. however not before a lengthy conversation with an unbiased professional (i know, this would probably be difficult to find someone like that but i feel its the best option to have them be unbiased.) the point of the conversation is just to prevent people that might be impulsive about it. basically just put everything together and decide that youre 100% sure that this is whats best. i also believe that it shouldnt be restricted. one of the biggest problems is that they consider the mentally ill not fit enough to make such a desision. can i just ask how, even if that is true, does it change the pain that this person is experiencing? it doesnt really. even if they had a perfect life and they have a disorder where they only think it was horrible....so fucking what. theyre still going through that torture on a daily basis. it shouldnt matter, mentally stable or not torture is torture, whether its an outside source or your brain being a dick. pain is pain and everyone should have relief. i guess thats my answer to a more constructive way.
 
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LastFlowers

LastFlowers

the haru that can read
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I don't have a problem with the use of the word heroic here. Even if the woman regrets having been saved (something we have no way of knowing), jumping in front of a train carries a high likelihood of traumatizing others, and could potentially place innocent bystanders at risk.

If I were in his position, I'd have intervened too.
Well, you should. It's a dangerously alluring adjective that only perpetuates the toxic pro-life movement.
This woman was desperate to end her suffering and now the person who stopped her is seen as some figure of selflessness and all that is good with humanity-when actually, they symbolize the complete opposite.
The man who saved her is but a bar in the prison cell wall that confines us to this cage of pain and despair. And if you think he did this out of the goodwill of his heart, you are mistaken. There are few reasons why someone would stop another from ending their life, one is being small-minded and privileged enough to never reach the point this woman has, and in turn, never reach the point of understanding her predicament. (If he reacted on impulse, it was a poorly informed impulse.)
Another reason is to perform an action in hopes of being crowned with the very word "hero", to pat oneself on the back.


Imagine this: a little animal stuck neck down in wet cement, writhing, struggling, feeling the heat of the day with a parched mouth and an empty stomach, the cement since hardening, encasing the animal, crushing its skeleton, strangling its organs..think about it, feel it.
There is nothing to be done, no piece of machinery can break apart the cement without risk of cutting through the desperate creature. So someone pulls out a gun, they walk over and place it to the temple of the animal, with every intention of ending its suffering, in an act of mercy. Then another man comes along, some wise guy, rips the gun out of the other person's hand and turns to the crowd, basking in what he knows awaits him..applause, "hero", all while the little animal continues to break down-excruciatingly-behind him, the person meant to end the senseless pain, now unable to do anything. No one else sees the animal, no one else feels its desperation, they only see the person who "saved" it, because that's who they project themselves onto...the poor animal has no voice, it represents only defeat in the face of someone the public deems apt to be called a heroic savior.

..You might think this^ is a poor example, and it is, because if the suicidal were treated as animals, people would be quick to put us out of our misery. But as it stands, we are treated less than human, less than an animal, we are seen as pitiful and unknowing, unable to form a rational opinion or plan our own escape from hell. The world loves a hero's story, but they don't want to learn about ours, not if it doesn't fit their narrative of 'certified loon, undeserving of basic rights because of a perceived mental defect.'
And though what I outlined, on a surface level, seems a bit ridiculous, it's still a far more accurate portrayal of what this type of situation really boils down to, and the absolute absurdity of it all. Because it is, indeed, absolutely fucking absurd.
To do what this man has done. To push for similar actions that are not unlike the actions which cornered this woman into having to resort to a train in the first place-versus a safe, sanctioned option.
But only those in the place of the 'animal' and the few and far between pro-choice individual can see it and acknowledge it for what it truly is. A fucking disgrace.
 
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LastFlowers

LastFlowers

the haru that can read
Apr 27, 2019
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i dont disagree with them intervening. theres the points others have made and the person could have to live feeling like a murderer for just letting her die (if thats the way they end up feeling, which is a possibility) however, tl;dr i do wish that there was a more constructive way to help her and others in that situation. basically putting someone in jail because they had a horrible life...isnt going to make it better (i think common sense left the room on that one for these people). it can be helpful, and in some cases necessary, yes. like when one optionally goes to get immediate help, to just take a break from society because it can be too much, or if someone really is a danger to themselves or others. people that really are mentally not there on a constant. and i feel safe saying that because i understand. im a danger to myself and others when things become to much (not all the time), but its not my fault. im not in control, i dont mean to. and thats what i mean when i say a danger and constantly mentally not there. i also believe that if someone honestly cant find relief from their pain, no matter what it is. then they should be allowed doctor assisted suicide. however not before a lengthy conversation with an unbiased professional (i know, this would probably be difficult to find someone like that but i feel its the best option to have them be unbiased.) the point of the conversation is just to prevent people that might be impulsive about it. basically just put everything together and decide that youre 100% sure that this is whats best. i also believe that it shouldnt be restricted. one of the biggest problems is that they consider the mentally ill not fit enough to make such a desision. can i just ask how, even if that is true, does it change the pain that this person is experiencing? it doesnt really. even if they had a perfect life and they have a disorder where they only think it was horrible....so fucking what. theyre still going through that torture on a daily basis. it shouldnt matter, mentally stable or not torture is torture, whether its an outside source or your brain being a dick. pain is pain and everyone should have relief. i guess thats my answer to a more constructive way.
That would be on them for feeling like a "murderer for just letting her die", I would laugh in the face of anyone who actually tried to pull that shit of a viewpoint on me.
That is a far leap, and a real slap in the face to the woman who was actually suffering to the point she jumped in front of a train.
Another dangerous sentiment that furthers the thought processes of the hoard, which is not a good thing for anyone on this site and those like us.
There is way too much concern and hyperbolizing of the onlooker's perspective and not enough acknowledgment of the far more obvious example of a person tortured by life and their very existence.
 
Life_and_Death

Life_and_Death

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Jul 1, 2020
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That would be on them for feeling like a "murderer for just letting her die", I would laugh in the face of anyone who actually tried to pull that shit of a viewpoint on me.
That is a far leap, and a real slap in the face to the woman who was actually suffering to the point she jumped in front of a train.
Another dangerous sentiment that furthers the thought processes of the hoard, which is not a good thing for anyone on this site and those like us.
There is way too much concern and hyperbolizing of the onlooker's perspective and not enough acknowledgment of the far more obvious example of a person tortured by life and their very existence.
maybe thats because here we already know how we feel so we dont need to be told however it doesnt hurt to take into account other peoples feelings. nice to know you would laugh in the face of those traumatized and possibly with ptsd. really says what kind of human you are.
plus i also said
theres the points others have made
i really didnt feel the need to be a broken record.
 
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