here i am again

[mimiopo22]

Are any of you guys deciding on ctb without ever going into psychotherapy or psychiatry? These are questions for those who have sn: at what time of the day did you get? how big was his box?

 

[yive]

Are any of you guys deciding on ctb without ever going into psychotherapy or psychiatry?

me. i hate life and psychiatry. i'd rather be a corpse than end up in a psych ward!

 

[mimiopo22]

me. i hate life and psychiatry. i'd rather be a corpse than end up in a psych ward!

same

 

[DJJE]

Shame your here.

But you did make me think of Whitesnake.

 

[Symbiote]

I got mine in the daytime, delivered to my doorstep. It was in a small padded envelope. Been to therapy for many years, it works for some, doesn't work for others. I got enough information to decide for myself now.

 

[yive]

These are questions for those who have sn: at what time of the day did you get? how big was his box?

in the daytime. small package

 

[sadlystillgoing3]

Are any of you guys deciding on ctb without ever going into psychotherapy or psychiatry? These are questions for those who have sn: at what time of the day did you get? how big was his box?

I would definitely try therapy and psychiatry if you haven't. It helped a lot at some points in my life and you never know what could come from it. It doesn't help anymore but it really can help some people. worth a shot.

 

[mimiopo22]

Shame your here.

But you did make me think of Whitesnake.

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[setomikey]

Hello!
Sorry, I am new on the forum, can someone tell me, what is ctb and sn?
About therapy, in my opinion, it depends, it works for some people and it doesn't work for others..but it also depends, what you problem/problems/reasons are..there are cases when there is simply no way for therapy to help at all...

 

[yive]

I would definitely try therapy and psychiatry if you haven't. It helped a lot at some points in my life and you never know what could come from it. It doesn't help anymore but it really can help some people. worth a shot.

no! i wouldn't advise anyone to do this. they won't solve your problems, they'll just stuff you with pills that won't help you, and then you won't get out of this system at all. very bad advice

 

[Gnip]

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Your youth is showing. Classic 1980's hit:

 

[NodusTollens]

no! i wouldn't advise anyone to do this. they won't solve your problems, they'll just stuff you with pills that won't help you, and then you won't get out of this system at all. very bad advice

I can definitely feel your indignation towards psychiatry, as you are right, they do lean heavily on pharmacological intervention & for some, they're useless in solving their problems. However, it isn't for you to decide what works for another. Therapy hasn't been able to help me consistently, however, I do know those who have thrived after therapy.

It's unfair to call it bad advice because it didn't work for you.

 

[Gnip]

I can definitely feel your indignation towards psychiatry, as you are right, they do lean heavily on pharmacological intervention & for some, they're useless in solving their problems. However, it isn't for you to decide what works for another. Therapy hasn't been able to help me consistently, however, I do know those who have thrived after therapy.

It's unfair to call it bad advice because it didn't work for you.

True enough. My major depressive disorder is iatrogenic, installed by incompetent, stupid, corrupt and cowardly school psychologists when I was in my mid teens and forcibly subjected to their stoner idiocy. (Incidentally, there is no such thing as a competent school psychologist anywhere in the entire world, and this line of work has no right to exist.)

Although it was temporary, Prozac did give me an experience of what life is like when one is not depressed in 1996 and 1997. So called "therapy" destroyed my life and is the exclusive reason I am a member of Sanctioned Suicide.

Psychiatry and psychiatric prescriptions to the exclusion of psychologists talk therapy are the exclusive reason I am alive today, the sole reason I have continued trying to get better, because drugs are the only success I have ever experienced in improving the quality of my life.

Now, with what I know about myself today, even the suggestion of counseling will result in me pressing charges of criminal fraud (which my psychiatrist approves of ~ especially since attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and severe congenital obstructive sleep apnea are biological conditions which can be treated by a psychiatrist but NOT with "therapeutic counseling").

 

[yive]

It's unfair to call it bad advice because it didn't work for you.

everyone decides for himself how many times he needs to repeat the same mistakes in order to understand something.

but my message is a warning that:
1] you run the risk of being monitored and ending up in a mental hospital.
2] you will be stuffed with pills instead of giving you real help and solving your problems.
3] their goal is not to relieve you of suffering, but to restore your function for society. they will most likely not help you, they will just make money thanks to you.

that's why i will ALWAYS call this advice bad [and i have every right to call this advice bad, i give my opinion, and i think it is justified]

 

[Wrennie]

Are any of you guys deciding on ctb without ever going into psychotherapy or psychiatry? These are questions for those who have sn: at what time of the day did you get? how big was his box?

Psychiatry is the reason why I'm here in the first place. Please never trust it.

My SN arrived midday and came in an inconspicuous brown paper envelope.

 

[NodusTollens]

True enough. My major depressive disorder is iatrogenic, installed by incompetent, stupid, corrupt and cowardly school psychologists when I was in my mid teens and forcibly subjected to their stoner idiocy. (Incidentally, there is no such thing as a competent school psychologist anywhere in the entire world, and this line of work has no right to exist.)

Although it was temporary, Prozac did give me an experience of what life is like when one is not depressed in 1996 and 1997. So called "therapy" destroyed my life and is the exclusive reason I am a member of Sanctioned Suicide.

Psychiatry and psychiatric prescriptions to the exclusion of psychologists talk therapy are the exclusive reason I am alive today, the sole reason I have continued trying to get better, because drugs are the only success I have ever experienced in improving the quality of my life.

Now, with what I know about myself today, even the suggestion of counseling will result in me pressing charges of criminal fraud (which my psychiatrist approves of ~ especially since attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and severe congenital obstructive sleep apnea are biological conditions which can be treated by a psychiatrist but NOT with "therapeutic counseling").

From what you're telling me, you've experienced some crappy psychologists, & for that I am sorry.

I have seen a few myself, I gelled with one (until they changed professions) but didn't like their replacement, so I stopped going (small town, limited free options). I have also spent time living in housing staffed by counsellors & I genuinely could only connect with 3/20 staff members, all qualified- different personalities.

I find the common issue is a lack of understanding/empathy about personal struggles & trauma, in addition to a lack of lives experience. That's where I find a disconnect between therapy & it's efficacy.

 

[mimiopo22]

Psychiatry is the reason why I'm here in the first place. Please never trust it.

My SN arrived midday and came in an inconspicuous brown paper envelope.

Why? What happened to you with psychiatry?

 

[NodusTollens]

everyone decides for himself how many times he needs to repeat the same mistakes in order to understand something.

but my message is a warning that:
1] you run the risk of being monitored and ending up in a mental hospital.
2] you will be stuffed with pills instead of giving you real help and solving your problems.
3] their goal is not to relieve you of suffering, but to restore your function for society. they will most likely not help you, they will just make money thanks to you.

that's why i will ALWAYS call this advice bad [and i have every right to call this advice bad, i give my opinion, and i think it is justified]

Again, I am not trying to change or taint your feelings regarding your experiences with psychologists. I can hear that they've had a lasting impact on you, I will never refute that.

1) Based on laws, if you make claim to harming yourself or others, they have a duty to report. Knowing this, you don't have to talk about suicide.

2) Legally, they cannot make you take anything. They can suggest/recommend, but they can't make you swallow them. (Unless remanded for your "safety")

3) I disagree, simply on the basis that some psychologists are better than others. I saw one & he was a "let's get you ready to be a workhorse" type, &another that actively helped me get diagnosed, and taught me coping skills. We were tackling the suffering but I had to move.

You can definitely give your personal opinion & experience, though, given that some do find benefit in it, you can't say it's objectively bad.

 

[yive]

You can definitely give your personal opinion & experience, though, given that some do find benefit in it, you can't say it's objectively bad.

yes, and you can't say it's objectively good

 

[Wrennie]

Why? What happened to you with psychiatry?

It chemically castrated me and most recently gave me Tardive Dyskinesia.

 

[NodusTollens]

yes, and you can't say it's objectively good

I definitely didn't, & I just gave an example where 3/20 counsellors were effective for me & one of two psychologists were crappy. Taking myself out of the equation, I also mentioned I know people who have benefited. So no, not objectively.

 

[Gnip]

From what you're telling me, you've experienced some crappy psychologists, & for that I am sorry.

I have seen a few myself, I gelled with one (until they changed professions) but didn't like their replacement, so I stopped going (small town, limited free options). I have also spent time living in housing staffed by counsellors & I genuinely could only connect with 3/20 staff members, all qualified- different personalities.

I find the common issue is a lack of understanding/empathy about personal struggles & trauma, in addition to a lack of lives experience. That's where I find a disconnect between therapy & it's efficacy.

Everybody who has been to college knows that psychology is one of those majors which party animals. Girls Gone Wild type airheads and jocks on athletic scholarships select so they can spend their college and university years fucking, drinking and doing drugs.
In fact, I did go to the same college where my asshole school psychologists got their degrees from, had many of the same professors, and that's where I learned for an absolute fact they were always shitheads. Later, I knew some of the same people those pricks and cunts grew up with.

As a hospital employee, I knew more psychologists in the mental health unit, people who were later drunken patrons where I tended bar, and I was counseling THEM!

No, I have NO respect for these lazy cretins.

College degrees are no substitute for a lack of innate ability, competence, understanding or knowledge. If you want a counselor to spill you guts to for free in confidence, go visit a Catholic priest for confession, order a drink at a quiet bar for a chat with the bartender, or commiserate with an empath like @RoseyBird(who if she doesn't have a doctorate in psychology, should be automatically issued one by a fully accredited college or university, since she actually has talent and life experience).

 

[Ghost2211]

Everybody who has been to college knows that psychology is one of those majors which party animals. Girls Gone Wild type airheads and jocks on athletic scholarships select so they can spend their college and university years fucking, drinking and doing drugs.
In fact, I did go to the same college where my asshole school psychologists got their degrees from, had many of the same professors, and that's where I learned for an absolute fact they were always shitheads. Later, I knew some of the same people those pricks and cunts grew up with.

As a hospital employee, I knew more psychologists in the mental health unit, people who were later drunken patrons where I tended bar, and I was counseling THEM!

No, I have NO respect for these lazy cretins.

College degrees are no substitute for a lack of innate ability, competence, understanding or knowledge. If you want a counselor to spill you guts to for free in confidence, go visit a Catholic priest for confession, order a drink at a quiet bar for a chat with the bartender, or commiserate with an empath like @RoseyBird (who if she doesn't have a doctorate in psychology, should be automatically issued one by a fully accredited college or university, since she actually has talent and life experience).

Funny you say that. My therapist keeps telling me I need to go into psychology and do amazing things. I wish I had the energy or the neurological ability. I don't think much else would make me happier than to help people get the kind of help they actually need.

 

[NodusTollens]

Everybody who has been to college knows that psychology is one of those majors which party animals. Girls Gone Wild type airheads and jocks on athletic scholarships select so they can spend their college and university years fucking, drinking and doing drugs.
In fact, I did go to the same college where my asshole school psychologists got their degrees from, had many of the same professors, and that's where I learned for an absolute fact they were always shitheads. Later, I knew some of the same people those pricks and cunts grew up with.

As a hospital employee, I knew more psychologists in the mental health unit, people who were later drunken patrons where I tended bar, and I was counseling THEM!

No, I have NO respect for these lazy cretins.

College degrees are no substitute for a lack of innate ability, competence, understanding or knowledge. If you want a counselor to spill you guts to for free in confidence, go visit a Catholic priest for confession, order a drink at a quiet bar for a chat with the bartender, or commiserate with an empath like @RoseyBird(who if she doesn't have a doctorate in psychology, should be automatically issued one by a fully accredited college or university, since she actually has talent and life experience).

Having been to college, I understand that people in that age group tend to party; projecting negative qualities onto a specifically group, simply bc you dislike them is heavily biased so I can't even take any of that seriously.

You also just faulted someone for becoming depressed... No matter your career choice, they're still human & life happens. Studying psychology doesn't make you immune.

 

[mimiopo22]

when you say day do you mean morning? I live with my parents and I wake up late, I'm afraid they'll open the package for them.

 

[Gnip]

Funny you say that. My therapist keeps telling me I need to go into psychology and do amazing things. I wish I had the energy or the neurological ability. I don't think much else would make me happier than to help people get the kind of help they actually need.

College-Level Examination Program tests are the economical and efficient way to get to a full four year degree within a single calendar year, and there have been some books published on how to do this.

No college or university wants you to know about CLEP information, but these institutions are a massively inflated money grabbing scam that nobody needs to put up with. CLEP tests are pass/fail, and you can take them as many times as you need to before passing them, with no reference being made in your academic records to how many times you may have flunked them before passing. Beyond CLEP tests, you can also obtain life experience credits.

So far as "energy" or "neurological ability," you are an empath, so a raw talent which most with energy or neurological ability do not share.

Taking four or more years to obtain a four year degree is no longer affordable, unless you already have and can successfully maintain a four year scholarship, are attending college while serving the military, or going to some university on the GI Bill (which my father did).

 

[galaxyencrypted]

in the daytime. small package

how do you get it?

 

[Gnip]

everyone decides for himself how many times he needs to repeat the same mistakes in order to understand something.

but my message is a warning that:
1] you run the risk of being monitored and ending up in a mental hospital.
2] you will be stuffed with pills instead of giving you real help and solving your problems.
3] their goal is not to relieve you of suffering, but to restore your function for society. they will most likely not help you, they will just make money thanks to you.

that's why i will ALWAYS call this advice bad [and i have every right to call this advice bad, i give my opinion, and i think it is justified]

This is why I repeatedly tell people to spill their guts to a Catholic priest, since there is zero risk of being reported for anything you say. The only law they care about is God's law, which dictates that anything said in confession is said in total and permanent confidence.

 

[Ghost2211]

College-Level Examination Program tests are the economical and efficient way to get to a full four year degree within a single calendar year, and there have been some books published on how to do this.

No college or university wants you to know about CLEP information, but these institutions are a massively inflated money grabbing scam that nobody needs to put up with. CLEP tests are pass/fail, and you can take them as many times as you need to before passing them, with no reference being made in your academic records to how many times you may have flunked them before passing. Beyond CLEP tests, you can also obtain life experience credits.

So far as "energy" or "neurological ability," you are an empath, so a raw talent which most with energy or neurological ability do not share.

Taking four or more years to obtain a four year degree is no longer affordable, unless you already have and can successfully maintain a four year scholarship, are attending college while serving the military, or going to some university on the GI Bill (which my father did).

I'll check that out. Thank you for your kindness and consideration. I was sad tonight and you made me smile

 

[yive]

This is why I repeatedly tell people to spill their guts to a Catholic priest, since there is zero risk of being reported for anything you say. The only law they care about is God's law, which dictates that anything said in confession is said in total and permanent confidence.

"If a child/person is ever suicidal, they can't risk speaking about it to their parents/family/friends, because the child/person knows, that parents/family/friends, might just tell the police/authorities, and then they might be put in a psych ward, and this is serious, because once there, the doctors can do whatever they want to you, (for however long they want), because no matter what you say, or how you act, psychiatrists have a medical condition for those words/actions. -- Ie, they would be allowed to keep you there indefinitely, in any state that they want.

And, the drugs that you will be forced to take, can be horrendous for your mind/body/sprit, and so if you went into the psych ward with no problems, you'll certainly leave with problems.

And, the people and environment, can be just as bad as the drugs.

The point is, that if you end up in a psych ward, it could lead to a life of even more suffering, (than your current life)".